Your point??
It sells apple hardware(iPhones and iPods)to windows users.
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Palm Releases WebOS 1.1, Restores iTunes Media Syncing
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Your point??
It sells apple hardware(iPhones and iPods)to windows users.
Try again.
I'm clueless as to why they won't develop their own software.
Providing the music is DRM free (which it now is): hello seamless syncing.
They could provide an Automator script which would automatically add Pre-imported photos to a Palm Pre iPhone album. They could also make the Pre show up as an external device, such as a camera, so that when iPhoto opens, you can just click and import. That's easier still than an automator script.
I honestly don't understand why they won't come up with their own 'solution' rather than leeching onto someone else's.
It makes me not take them seriously. They can design this wonderful device with quite frankly, beautiful UI, but not a simple app for the Mac.
Providing the music is DRM free (which it now is): hello seamless syncing.
They could provide an Automator script which would automatically add Pre-imported photos to a Palm Pre iPhone album. They could also make the Pre show up as an external device, such as a camera, so that when iPhoto opens, you can just click and import. That's easier still than an automator script.
I honestly don't understand why they won't come up with their own 'solution' rather than leeching onto someone else's.
It makes me not take them seriously. They can design this wonderful device with quite frankly, beautiful UI, but not a simple app for the Mac.
no DOJ issue
iTunes is a companion for iPhone/iPod products. Zune software is a companion for Zune products. Should any of these hardware producers decide to open their software to other hardware, it is in their sole discretion. Palm is faking its Pre as an (unlicensed) iPod - that is called piracy.
iTunes is a companion for iPhone/iPod products. Zune software is a companion for Zune products. Should any of these hardware producers decide to open their software to other hardware, it is in their sole discretion. Palm is faking its Pre as an (unlicensed) iPod - that is called piracy.
But Apple does let their competition access iTunes. Photos, non-DRM media, podcasts, playlists, etc., can all be synced up w/non-Apple devices.
If Palm stole multi-touch so did Apple because multi-touch was not created by either of them.
Lethal
By multitouch I meant pinching and swiping specifically.
Palm had to remove these features from the Pre late in development due to them outright stealing them from the iPhone and Apple was granted a patent on it in late 2008.
http://mashable.com/2009/01/26/apple-multi-touch-patent/
And iTunes is known for it's music capabilities and music syncing, that's what iTunes was built upon and that is all any competition would want to use it for. No one thinks of iTunes as a photo syncer, they know iTunes for it's music and that feature is used as a selling point for Apple's own hardware.
Microsoft created Zune software as a companion with Zune devices. Apple created iTunes to sync with Apple's devices. Why is Palm not creating their own companion software? Because they would have to start their user base from zero. As a "smart" move, they decided to let their Pres pretend to be (unlicensed) iPods...
Piracy
Whether it is DVDs, watches, electronics, once someone pretends to be a brand they do not have a license to be, it is called piracy. Palm Pre devices pretend to be iPods - unless they got a license from Apple (obviously not the case), it is piracy.
Err, no. iTunes is a free application for organising and playing your music on your desktop computer, which also happens to sync to iPods/iPhones. It existed before either came on the scene, and does not solely exist to service iPhones/iPods. It also syncs with other players (though deliberately not as well, and it's unlikely Apple would allow Palm to sync officially, given their recent actions).
As to Palm faking the Pre as an iPod, in what way does that relate to downloading copyright content without the author's consent, or indeed, to piracy on the high seas? When you have to resort to name-calling (which isn't even accurate), your argument is weak. Palm isn't asking Apple to do anything - and Apple will never officially support Palm - that's fine as far as they're concerned - the work to support this syncing is on Palm's side.
Apple should be happy that Palm is encouraging people to use their DRM free store, and happy for the competition in the phone space. Instead they're pulling some lame anti-competitive moves in an attempt to stifle the competition and force everyone that uses Macs to use an iPhone. Given that they released this update just to try to shut out Palm, that's lame. If they happened to break syncing inadvertently, with some other changes to updates, that'd be fine, but all they're doing here is forcing Palm to remove any identification which shows this is a Pre and not an iPod, and eventually Apple will run out of ways to block them, given that they can't block old iPods.
I own several Apple products (including an iPod) and love them all, but I also don't want them to become complacent, and/or try to use their near-monopoly in one area (music stores/management on the mac), to force one solution on all their customers in another area (phones).
Anti-competitive? In what way Apple is anti-competitive? Does Apple stop users from drag-n-dropping music from anywhere (including iTunes) via explorer/Finder to the Pre? No. Are iTMS tracks only playable on iTunes/iPods? No, they're DRM free. Does Apple prevent any other software (eg. Songbird) to be used to sync iTunes content with the Pre? No. Does Apple stop the Pre from connecting to PCs/Macs? No. Is iTunes the only way to transfer music to the Pre? No. Does Apple prevent other companies to create their own program to allow syncing with iTunes content (eg. Nokia)? No. Is Apple telling Amazon not to sell music to Pre users? No.
Where's this "anti-competitive" move?
I was about the say "on what grounds?" but ran across this story....
Basically going opposite pairing/sync problem.... iPhone/iPod sync with something other than iTunes.
http://www.eweek.com/c/a/Midmarket/Apple-Drops-Legal-Threat-Against-Bluwiki--587312/
You wonder what part of the DMCA that says that interoperability is OK as long as not directed at defeating copyright protections that they overlooked before they started saber rattling.
Palm isn't trying to defeat DRM protections so there is nothing to sue about (without just making stuff up) if Palm did this cleanly.
[ if cleanroom implemented their implementation of player protocol handler it is purely a matter of interop. ]
Two devices each on one side of a "wire". They communicate back and forth. If someone can stick a different implementation on one of those sides that implements the protocol there are limited options for suing. There is no "stealing" going on. If anyone has a patent on two devices on a wire that are syncing it is more likely Palm than Apple, since Palm was doing that in a somewhat general fashion long before Apple was.
Finally, there was a period were Apple spent alot of cash, time, and effort to try to stop Windows. Rather than compete with Windows they we're going to just block them. Lost the suit. Then lost the GUI marketshare war. Perhaps if they would have spent more time delivering customer value rather than blocking might not have lost as much ground.
Because they're lazy. They thought it would be easier to do this cheap workaround. Palm could've easily partnered with an open source software like Songbird, which allow importing contents from iTunes, and be done with it (and gain even more geek cred). But no, they know since they're the underdog vs Apple, they can get more publicity and sympathy by doing the cheap route.
With Rubinstein on the helm, I expected more from Palm. This cheap cat-n-mouse game they're playing is simply childish.
I still think Apple doesn't have that much to worry about if the Pre does sync to iTunes... anytime a Pre user uses the store for some music they get a big ad for all the nice-looking apps they can't buy for their phone...
That said, I think the way that iTunes syncing looks like it's going to break every time Apple update iTunes makes the whole Pre thing look a bit flakey and unprofessional / unreliable and I'm not sure it really adds that much as a selling point - I think people who love iTunes that much would probably be more likely to go for the iPhone all other things being equal. As it is "iTunes syncing* *until Apple breaks it again and we have to hack up a new release, not that we're doing anything shady, honest!" is not a strong endorsement of their product.
That said, I think the way that iTunes syncing looks like it's going to break every time Apple update iTunes makes the whole Pre thing look a bit flakey and unprofessional / unreliable and I'm not sure it really adds that much as a selling point - I think people who love iTunes that much would probably be more likely to go for the iPhone all other things being equal. As it is "iTunes syncing* *until Apple breaks it again and we have to hack up a new release, not that we're doing anything shady, honest!" is not a strong endorsement of their product.
So the Pre doesn't sync with doubletwist, media monkey, and winamp? Is songbird support not in the pipeline? Does the Pre not support drag and drop? Does the pre only sync with itunes?
Well it all comes down to opinion but my take on it is this.
Apple developed iTunes and over the years people have got used to using it for organising music, movies, TV shows and what not.
Given that many people already own an iPod (last figures I saw show suggest iPod's have around 75% of the digital music player market) they have got used to using iTunes for syncing music, movies, tv shows and photographs.
From that point of view Palm is not being 'lazy' by giving users the ability to continue to use software they are familiar with rather than ask them to have to use a second piece of software to sync, on top of iTunes for organising. Instead they are giving customers what they want.
Whilst I understand the business benefits for Apple by blocking access I think they could be in danger of alienating an aspect of their audience and putting them off using iTunes in the future. I think it's possible that short term gain could turn to long term hurt.
Having said that I think the way Palm implemented the synchronisation was wrong and I'm sure with appropriate discussion and negotiation a licensing fee could have been established which would see Palm benefit, customers benefit and Apple benefit.
Frankly I don't believe anyone is coming out of this looking good and the big losers are the customers who just want to use their phone and computer in as seamless a way as possible.
Apple developed iTunes and over the years people have got used to using it for organising music, movies, TV shows and what not.
Given that many people already own an iPod (last figures I saw show suggest iPod's have around 75% of the digital music player market) they have got used to using iTunes for syncing music, movies, tv shows and photographs.
From that point of view Palm is not being 'lazy' by giving users the ability to continue to use software they are familiar with rather than ask them to have to use a second piece of software to sync, on top of iTunes for organising. Instead they are giving customers what they want.
Whilst I understand the business benefits for Apple by blocking access I think they could be in danger of alienating an aspect of their audience and putting them off using iTunes in the future. I think it's possible that short term gain could turn to long term hurt.
Having said that I think the way Palm implemented the synchronisation was wrong and I'm sure with appropriate discussion and negotiation a licensing fee could have been established which would see Palm benefit, customers benefit and Apple benefit.
Frankly I don't believe anyone is coming out of this looking good and the big losers are the customers who just want to use their phone and computer in as seamless a way as possible.
Did you actually read my posts? It is in fact does, which boggles the mind even more that everybody is whining about iTunes syncing. I said partnered with Songbird, like officially put Songbird as the "official" software, and work with the Songbird team to have an even better experience for Pre users. But no, people rather bitch about iTunes.
Agreed, and the EC are very tight on this sort of vertical integration right now.
Apple are on very, very, very risky ground in Europe on this. Very. The Fairplay case still isn't dead either while mobile video as a market continues to develop and Apple still uses DRM which it refuses to licence out.
Phazer
This is a mac site and you'll have to excuse people for wanting to continue to use a single program that they're already using (iTunes) to manage all their media. You might be happy to have multiple media programs for each device you own but I think you'll be in the minority.
Unlicensed what? I dont believe you can license a string or how files can be put in folders.
Apples Dictionary defines piracy as:
the unauthorized use or reproduction of another's work : software piracy.
Now, unauthorized use refers to end-users as in using a piece of software without paying for a license.
Palm isnt pirating anything. They are just making Pre interoperable with iTunes. Faking something for the purpose of interoperability is not illegal. See Wine, Boot Camp, Samba.