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That's what Apple should do, brick a few of them, that will teach them a lesson.

Of course I don't know how Apple could do that legally being that it would require knowledge of the Palm's OS that Palm wouldn't provide to developers. It would just prompt a lawsuit from Palm.
 
As a Pre owner I just don't care. The only time I used iTunes is when I owned an iPhone. Frankly, there are way better apps out there meant for syncing media. I know 5 people who use the Pre at work alone and none of them sync with iTunes. This really isn't that big of a deal.

Frankly, I think they'd actually get better sales by ditching iTunes support, heavily advertising "no iTunes lock-in" and that the Pre appears as a USB drive when connected to a computer. The more Palm can suggest iPods/iPhones/iTunes is an MSN-like 'walled garden', the better position they'll be in. Apple certainly isn't about to disabuse anyone of such a thought (such is their hubris), and their behaviour thus far would only go to confirm such a view.
 
Do you mean MS allows other players to sync with the Zune software? That would be new to me.

Please ask these bloody hypocrites, why aren't they calling Microsoft out for not providing syncing solution for the Pres to the Zune desktop.
 
Frankly, I think they'd actually get better sales by ditching iTunes support, heavily advertising "no iTunes lock-in" and that the Pre appears as a USB drive when connected to a computer.

I agree with this sentiment. I have argues that iTunes allready is a disadvantage to pre users since it only shows Palm's deficincies (you can't play that episode of Lost that I purchased?). The only reason they are doing this is so that when they do get booted they can whine about it. That kind of behavior is apparently easier than doing real work.
 
Good on Palm. Seriously. This is a ridiculous issue. Apple needs to just back off before they make themselves look any worse.
 
I have to agree that it is something that Palm can tout on their feature list, but it's usefulness is extremely limited. Apple can release an iTunes update at any time that will kill syncing again so if I had a Pre I wouldn't be counting on using iTunes to sync my music collection. I would have be sure that I had a backup method available to sync everything.
 
I have to agree that it is something that Palm can tout on their feature list, but it's usefulness is extremely limited. Apple can release an iTunes update at any time that will kill syncing again so if I had a Pre I wouldn't be counting on using iTunes to sync my music collection. I would have be sure that I had a backup method available to sync everything.
The first time around Palm implemented the syncing in a way that was extremely easy to block. If they actually did proper spoofing this time around then Apple will have a very difficult time blocking it without creating issues for iPod users.
 
Palm are being so pathetic. They can't be bothered to make their own media software, so they're being all smug by announcing to the whole world, "oh yes, um, by the way, you can sync with APPLE'S iTunes again now, because we're so cool, ahaha..."

Shut up Palm, no one cares about you and your cheap tactics. Just go bankrupt already.
 
this is going to get interesting. Apple is not going to do this dance nor play this game forever. I feel a lawsuit is coming.

If I were Palm I would say let 'em...as Palm owns the patents to several fo the multi-touch 'gestures' used on the iPhone (or close enough that PALM could sue Apple).

If Apple allows for other devices (MP3) to sync since iTunes was first released and they are ALL supported under iTunes (people should check the supported list of devices - there are other devices that iPod's!) why not let Palm? If just increases the market-share of iTunes and at $1.29 a song they are no longer losing money on the store!

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Palm are being so pathetic. They can't be bothered to make their own media software, so they're being all smug by announcing to the whole world, "oh yes, um, by the way, you can sync with APPLE'S iTunes again now, because we're so cool, ahaha..."

Shut up Palm, no one cares about you and your cheap tactics. Just go bankrupt already.
Oh come on.

I should not have to install a new player for every device I own.

Honestly how much of an Apple fanboy can you be? Wether you like the Pre or not (and there are certain aspects about it you SHOULD like) you should realize that Having someone to actually compete with Apple is a GOOD thing.

Yes. Competition is a good thing.

The fact that Apple is even reacting to this shows they view the Pre as a threat.
 
Can I ask why someone would vote 'negative' on this story?

Seriously - why would any Mac user give a damn if a non Apple device is using iTunes.

A monumental case of being thin skinned combined with a monumental inferiority complex to have any issue with this, seriously.
 
If Apple allows for other devices (MP3) to sync since iTunes was first released and they are ALL supported under iTunes (people should check the supported list of devices - there are other devices that iPod's!) why not let Palm? If just increases the market-share of iTunes and at $1.29 a song they are no longer losing money on the store!

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1) It doesn't matter what Apple charges for their music, most of it goes to the record companies. Apple is not going to suddenly make more money selling iTunes music. The reason? Other companies sell music. If Apple charges too much, they will flock to other venues like Amazon. Much of the activity that occurs in the music store portion is controlled by the music companies - the last thing they want is to have Apple control a market they want to own.

2) One of the most expensive and time consuming portions of support comes with third parties. If you suddenly think that the players are going to work at ensuring iTunes support, you are wrong - Not only would Apple have to test these things out every single time something changed, the public would demand that Apple essentially support other players by association with Apple. That is what competitors would love - reduced support costs. But Apple would hate it. Apple knows that they cannot rely on sales of music to support other players - eventually one would dominate the other.
 
On another note, Apple really needs to be careful how they handle this situation. It won't take much for the DOJ to look at Apple's iTunes/iPod as being a monopoly.

Again, there's no such thing as an illegal 'monopoly' on a product. iTunes is a feature of the iPod. Stop being silly about the 'monopoly' crap and get your brilliant Pre folks to write their own client the way other real development houses do.
 
Why do you enjoy and defend Apple's attitude? If same thing had been done by MS you would be screaming Big devil MS. You always talk about open platform , standards, cross platform etc but then applause Apple for this ridiculous behavior.
There is a right way to access iTunes and a wrong way to access iTunes.

Examples of the right way:
RIM's BlackBerry Media Sync
The Missing Sync

Not writing your own application and making your device pretend that it's an iPod is not the "standards" way.
 
I should not have to install a new player for every device I own

If you want that device to interact with a computer, yes you should. It is the only way that you can guarantee that customers are going to have access to your complete feature set. You cannot reasonably assume that other companies should be responsible for what should be your responsibility.

If you want easy integration between hardware and software, the design must be done by one company.
 
Does it ruin your experience of using iTunes and an iPod knowing that the Pre syncs with it?

But it is not about iPod users. It is the pre users who get affected because Palm is being an arrogant jerk about software that they do not own or have permission to use. I could care less if you want a Pre. What I do care about is that you have a proper system to use it. Right now you have a solution that implies support that does not exist (to the detriment of Apple) and inevibly cannot be assumed will work at all much less completely.

If palm wants to compete with Apple, they should do so in the right fashion - without relying on Apple. Palms reliance on iTunes is just bad form.
 
Perfect solution. Everyone can shut their traps now.

(Apple probably won't do this, but I genuinely like the idea.)

Heh. Nice idea, but nobody reads dialogue boxes, and they'll still call. And post all over epinions that Apple "broke" their Pre and it's time for class-action.
 
Good on Palm. Hell, I want to choose what app syncs for my device I have the right to. If its iTunes then its iTunes. If its WinAmp then its WinAmp. Whats all the fuss?
 
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