Well namely that you don't any rights to programs that are released as closed source. You might as well argue that I should have the right to enter any house to crash there even if my own house is very livable. Well you don't.
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Palm Releases WebOS 1.1, Restores iTunes Media Syncing
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Well namely that you don't any rights to programs that are released as closed source. You might as well argue that I should have the right to enter any house to crash there even if my own house is very livable. Well you don't.
I see three choices:
-I have a convenient way to buy music and put it on a crappy device
-I have a crappy way to buy music and put it on a great device
-I have a convenient way to buy music and put it on a great device
Now, if I want only half of the experience, that should be my choice, no?
-I have a convenient way to buy music and put it on a crappy device
-I have a crappy way to buy music and put it on a great device
-I have a convenient way to buy music and put it on a great device
Now, if I want only half of the experience, that should be my choice, no?
No. It should only be your choice if the market exists that allowed that type of choice. The problem is that such a market does not exist. You may cry about choice all you want, but you forget the choice that matters - Apple's choice. They should have the choice as the developer, to determine what does and does not work with that software no?
Simple: Palm created a device that pretends to be another device without getting permission (i.e. license).
It would be a different situation if iTunes were meant to only support iPods and iPhones AND there were no iTunes music store OR if music purchased from the iTunes store was meant to be played only on iPods / iPhones.
Apple doesn't necessarily have the responsibility to fully support non-Apple devices but it shouldn't prevent syncing either.
I think that would be more of a trademark issue since the ipod and the pre are playback devices and not playback files.
Except Apple has a legitimate argument that by doing nothing, support is implied. Palm is certainly not claiming all support on this.
EDIT: ETA: The fact is that iTunes as it stands now, is only intended to be used with iPods, iPhones and the apple TV - any other device support is legacy support from years ago and done under agreements between Apple and a third party or Soundjam and a third party assumed by Apple. The prior existence of such licenses back then deosn't mean that any such licensee is obligated now.
Yes, but trademark violation isn't necessarily piracy since there is no redistribution going on.
I never said that we have a case of trademark violation, that was another member. In any case, unauthorized use of someone's patents, inventions and copyrights is piracy. Piracy is not limited to unauthorized distribution of a product.
Please review http://www.palm.com/us/products/phones/pre/index.html, syncing with iTunes is a listed benefit under Photos, Music, and Videos:
"Plus, use the Palm media sync feature to transfer your DRM-free iTunes music, videos, and photos to your Pre.6"
Then down below (in barely legible gray text on white) there is a disclaimer:
"6 Compatible with iTunes v8.2. Compatibility with future versions not guaranteed."
If iTunes syncing is on the Pre's product information page, then iTunes syncing is an advertised feature of the product. Anyone buying a smart phone with multimedia features is going to want to know how they are going to sync and manage their music. A prospective Pre customer is going to see "iTunes" under Photos, Music, and Videos and feel warm and fuzzy about moving forward with buying the Pre.
In the end, Palm simply needs to implement a RIM-type solution and stop spoofing their way into iTunes. Spoofing is what hackers and spammers do - not legitimate companies.
For the record, I wasn't saying that was a definite either. It was only a possible venue that apple would peruse.
Hence why we have wonderful souls like the iPhone Dev Team that give users an option not to be codemned by ludicrous decisions of "carrier locking" made by the big
The use of the the word "piracy" is normally used for unathorised distribution of the product. But I see what you mean.
I know.
But I still wish for such market, that's why I'll keep cry out loud...
PS There is no reason (and ever be) for Apple to fully support devices that aren't created by them
agree. serves them right if something bad happens to their product if they illegally interface with a proprietary system. this is silly to go back and forth like this. i agree it really lessens the legitimacy of palm's approach overall. they seem petty, silly and cheap by doing this.
if i were apple i would of course sue, and also alter code to do whatever to a pre that attempts to sync with itunes.
i wonder if palm approached apple with a syncing deal, or if they just poached apple's tech people and decided to play monkey in the middle?
Hence why we have wonderful souls like the iPhone Dev Team that give users an option not to be codemned by ludicrous decisions of "carrier locking" made by the big
Of course I should point out that carrier locking and the resulting unlocking is perfectly legal. I don;t care what end users do to their own devices. I do care about companies trying to run a business around that. Individuals and businesses are very different things.
At this point it doesn't matter. If Palm did approach Apple, they must have said no. If they did not, the recent patching of iTunes is almost certainly a preemptive no.
A good analogy here is that every time you switch printer brands you have to install a new set of utilities. Canon and HP don't use the same utilities because they don't assume the other company should be responsible for maintaining the software for them for free.
The only issue that is different here is due to some files having DRM and they can't play on the Pre anyway due to Apple not licensing FairPlay.
Clarifying, for the record:
Microsoft wasn't convicted because they *included* IE in Windows.
They were convicted because they required that if OEMs wanted to install windows they were required to install IE, and prohibited from installing *ANY OTHER BROWSER*.
They were nailed for illegal tying (required to install IE to get Windows) and abuse of an existing monopoly to extend that monopoly to a new market (prohibiting the installation of third-party software).
Remember, *having/being* a monopoly isn't illegal. Abusing a monopoly *is*.
There's a lot of reasons why Apple doesn't want the Pre syncing with iTunes....
1. Apple doesn't support the Pre through it's call centers or technical support. You know there are Pre owners out there who call Apple for technical assistance with syncing with iTunes. This would be a huge headache for Apple's tech support and causes a lot of unneeded call volume.
2. iTunes was deveoped to work with iPod as a companion. iTunes is essencially part of iPod, therefore they go hand in hand. Yes, Apple has a list of other devices that'll sync (and they probably pay royalties to do so), but Pre does not. Essencially, they're stealing abilities of other players that do play by the rules and pay Apple for Apple's hard work and infrustructure.
3. Apple pays a LOT to keep iTunes going. Bandwidth, servers, music labels, etc. Apple handles all of this, and the Pre only benefits from Apple taking all the costs of maintenance/infrastructure/music lablel royalies/etc.
There are plenty other reasons as well, and I'm sure Apple is making sure it's legal department find any way possible to keep the Pre from accessing iTunes, and I hope they do. The Pre is obviously marketed as a direct competitor to the iPhone, and Apple should do everything possible to keep the Pre for stealing the hard work Apple has done (and is continuing to do) with iTunes.
1. Apple doesn't support the Pre through it's call centers or technical support. You know there are Pre owners out there who call Apple for technical assistance with syncing with iTunes. This would be a huge headache for Apple's tech support and causes a lot of unneeded call volume.
2. iTunes was deveoped to work with iPod as a companion. iTunes is essencially part of iPod, therefore they go hand in hand. Yes, Apple has a list of other devices that'll sync (and they probably pay royalties to do so), but Pre does not. Essencially, they're stealing abilities of other players that do play by the rules and pay Apple for Apple's hard work and infrustructure.
3. Apple pays a LOT to keep iTunes going. Bandwidth, servers, music labels, etc. Apple handles all of this, and the Pre only benefits from Apple taking all the costs of maintenance/infrastructure/music lablel royalies/etc.
There are plenty other reasons as well, and I'm sure Apple is making sure it's legal department find any way possible to keep the Pre from accessing iTunes, and I hope they do. The Pre is obviously marketed as a direct competitor to the iPhone, and Apple should do everything possible to keep the Pre for stealing the hard work Apple has done (and is continuing to do) with iTunes.
Mac User and Pre Owner
I have ten lines with Sprint for my business, and the fact of the matter is I save a ton of money with Sprint on my plan over ATT. I love my Palm Pre. It is a great business tool, and saves me over $600.00 a month over the iPhone ATT plan.
My advice. Make an iTunes client for the Pre, and sell the songs and videos. Everybody wins. The have iTunes for the PC.
I have ten lines with Sprint for my business, and the fact of the matter is I save a ton of money with Sprint on my plan over ATT. I love my Palm Pre. It is a great business tool, and saves me over $600.00 a month over the iPhone ATT plan.
My advice. Make an iTunes client for the Pre, and sell the songs and videos. Everybody wins. The have iTunes for the PC.