I pick none. You don't see iPods working on Windows Media Player; so why does Apple needs to bow down to Palm? Its there application.
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Palm Releases WebOS 1.1, Restores iTunes Media Syncing
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I pick none. You don't see iPods working on Windows Media Player; so why does Apple needs to bow down to Palm? Its there application.
From the Update Article:
# Resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (8.2.1).
I laughed at that. "Issue".
Ha!
# Resolves an issue preventing media sync from working with latest version of iTunes (8.2.1).
I laughed at that. "Issue".
Ha!
*IF* Palm & Sprint were smart, they would have put Nextel Direct Connect in the Pre from day 1! What a MONUMENTAL missed opportunity!!!Speaking of which, where is Apple's iPhone Direct Connect equivalent?! I am waiting Apple!
Direct Connect is for dou**ebags. Or situations where you'd normally use a walkie. Keyword is normally.
Also, does no one know what a monopoly even is?
Monopoly is exists when a specific individual or an enterprise has sufficient control over a particular product or service to determine significantly the terms on which other individuals shall have access to it.
iTunes is not a product or service! its Software provided free by a public company
I'm not debating if it is a monopoly, but why not make money off a competitor? Apple lost the original sale anyway, what do they have to lose?
Its honestly sad the number of people on here that care if itunes syncs with other media players. because it "tricks" itunes. who cares? It does not effect you, go on with your day and enjoy itunes... Lots of apple users dont care, but the select few on these forums are the elitists, and really hate it when they have more options for syncing. Plenty of iphone users right now that you could say, "did you know the pre can sync with itunes" and they would simply say "cool" but some other people are like "WHAAAAAT THEY DESERVE TO GO TO HELL"
Over the long run this is a lose lose situation for Apple. You sort of know how this is going to play out. Let say Apple comes out with iTunes 8.2.2 which disables syncing once again. Palm will come out with a new firmware to re-enable syncing. Cycle repeats with iTunes 8.2.3 and so on... Eventually Jobs or Cook will get tired of this and decide to handle this matter through legal means which means involving bunch of lawyers. Of course this makes Apple look like a big bad guy with a dominant position in a smart phone market trying to bully a little guy for something fairly trivial. I personally can't see a legal argument at which Apple can sue Palm successfully. I don't think DMCA applies in this case because it doesn't involve copyright protection circumvention or redistribution. Apple has to prove to court that what Palm is doing caused harm and damage to Apple's business and there really is no evidence of this. There is absolutely no reports of Palm syncing with iTunes has caused damage to user's files or computer. This is merely an issue of interoperability. Having such a minor issue escalate into all out legal battle seems very childish and it doesn't benefit the consumer at all.
To me a middle ground can be reached. Apple can change iTunes to detect non Apple devices attempting to sync with iTunes and then put up a straightforward message in a dialog box saying that third party device is not supported by iTunes and it may not work properly so don't contact Apple for support when something doesn't work right. This way Apple doesn't get support calls from Palm Pre users. This way Palm Pre users can also buy music from iTunes store and Apple can make some money too. Apple doesn't have to spend more money on lawyers and iTunes engineers can go back to spending their time working on improving iTunes which benefits Apple users. Everyone wins.
To me a middle ground can be reached. Apple can change iTunes to detect non Apple devices attempting to sync with iTunes and then put up a straightforward message in a dialog box saying that third party device is not supported by iTunes and it may not work properly so don't contact Apple for support when something doesn't work right. This way Apple doesn't get support calls from Palm Pre users. This way Palm Pre users can also buy music from iTunes store and Apple can make some money too. Apple doesn't have to spend more money on lawyers and iTunes engineers can go back to spending their time working on improving iTunes which benefits Apple users. Everyone wins.
100% correct. They expected 117k Pres sold per week, and not counting the launch weekend, they're selling 25k per week. And to top that off, 1 in 3 are being returned. That = pwnage!
100% correct. They expected 117k Pres sold per week, and not counting the launch weekend, they're selling 25k per week. And to top that off, 1 in 3 are being returned. That = pwnage!
where are you getting these numbers from?
Perfect solution. Everyone can shut their traps now.
(Apple probably won't do this, but I genuinely like the idea.)
100% correct. They expected 117k Pres sold per week, and not counting the launch weekend, they're selling 25k per week. And to top that off, 1 in 3 are being returned. That = pwnage!
Another person happy about competitions failures and short comings, your cool dude.
Lets not forget how many iphones steve expected to be sold when it was 600 dollars
That is a rather poor description of the problem that drove the case.
At the time Netscape was trying to sell the browser software. So Microsoft bundling a copy of an application so that you had to buy it along with operating system was a case of tying.
Microsoft countered with a manure pond of handing waving that somehow IE was embedded into the OS (it wasn't a separate application and was fundamental OS property/service). It is a freaking application that runs on top of the OS.
Or you can put a framework library of a web browser ( e.g., webkit) on top of the OS. But still not part of the OS. This is also about the point where the term Operating System get marketing speak bastardized to mean the "OS + core app 'free' bundle' you get from the software vendor.
Because it was an application that they tied to the OS they squashed Netscape out of the market since there was no way to make money at it.
[Firefox and mozilla.org is largerly living on the generosity of Google donations. And Apple gets to charge a fraction of OS X sales to help support Webkit development. ] The case also threw a spotlight on Microsoft making PC vendors pay them a tax for every PC shipped and Microsoft play some games that the "dumb civil servants woudn't be able to figure out" that got exposed. The closet of schemes designed to tilt the market into always going their way fell out on the floor.
Fairplay/DRM and iTunes role was another case where could make a tying/bundling case.
The download part is as much the point as much as Apple blocking interoperability. Setting things up so that nobody else can even enter the market is anticompetitive.
If you set up barriers so that even if folks have a better solution they still can't enter that is generally considered anticompetitive.
Possible, but highly unlikely. Apple has every right to protect their own systems; virtually every electronics/computer company is doing it and successfully as well though maybe not through something like iTunes and iPods. But keeping it exclusive is certainly well within their rights. Then again, stranger things have happened... look at what happened to Microsoft with IE in Europe...
I don't think that argument makes sense at all and on top of that it is in no way similar to situation in hand - Apple did not ever make iPods play well with the native media player of Windows platform and neither did Microsoft prevent them from doing so.
What part of "Apple did not make iPod work with WMP (even as Microsoft encourages hardware vendors to do so) so they have a right to make iTunes incompatible with Palm Pre" makes sense? To me none whatsoever.
iTunes has never been looked at as a major revenue generator. It's just been a way to fill up a shiny new piece of hardware that gets refreshed and thrown away every year or every other year. Make great easy to use software that talks easily to the hardware and sell the crap out of the hardware.
I have doubts about that. iTunes is free. An iTunes account isn't anything special but most importantly, buying music from the iTunes store doesn't require an iPod to play it. You can put the music on any player that supports that format (and it's DRM-free which lots of music is at the iTunes store) so there's no closed loop really.
As far as I know there's no requirement that you play music purchased from iTunes on an Apple device. I don't see any litigation really having a chance going against Apple.
Haha so wait eula's are worthless and no company is willing to go to court to defend one.
Except apple.
Not a great argument my friend
Look how often EULA's are violated. And it look Psystar selling OS X for a company(Apple) to do something about it. And the case is still nowhere near decided.
Plus, if people using the Pre with iTunes (since Palm advertises it's compatibility with iTunes) suddenly Pre customers think that any syncing problems are now Apple's responsibility and they're not with non-Apple devices. The problem increases for Apple if Pre id's itself as an iPod which it's not. Apple ends up wasting time and money fending off support calls and people bringing their Pre into Apple stores expecting tech support.
Flippers...
...But if Apple did it to Palm there would be spouts of monopoly blabbing around the blog-oh-circus...
...But if Apple did it to Palm there would be spouts of monopoly blabbing around the blog-oh-circus...