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Wait. People still buy iPods?

I bought a new iPod. Well, actually it is a used 32 GB iPhone 3GS, but it's my best iPod ever. And it has a built in camera, video recorder, plays games, has GPS with free maps of the UK, a compass, and it can even make phone calls and get on the internet when I want to! (£0.35 per phone call, £1 for one day of internet usage). In other words, the perfect iPod.
 
They should be worried. It come with every Apple product starting this fall. New users, who's going to download, create ANOTHER account to have something that comes stock?? Not to mention how much easier its going to be for runners,bikers,in the car, to just switch from radio to playlists or albums. Pandora will lose a major source of revenue. After all, iOS users spend more than any other user base.

Bingo!!!!

I've been doing exactly that when on my runs lately. I will change to an iRadio station for part of a run and then easily, quickly switch over to my playlist for some predefined music titles, and if my mood swings again, back to random music based on genre.
 
After being a Pandora subscriber for a while I will be using iTunes Radio going forward. Pandora is great but it just can't compete with iTunes being integrated. Third party controls and natively built into iOS gives it a huge one up. Plus I get iTunes match along with the subscription.

Pandora needs a major feature not available to any other streaming service or a price that other's can't compete with.
 
Pandora drops 40-hour per month limit.

I liked Pandora, but quickly came to find it repetitive and boring. I only turn it on now as an audio background (white noise) when we have guests.
 
streaming brah

though im a spotify user


Hence my point, Kindle at the time of iBooks introduction was a juggernaut in the ebooks market, controlled way more than all the other guys put together, they probably still do, haven't seen any figures recently.

Pandora does not even come close to capturing the global market share that the kindle had in terms of the streaming music market, as there are so many other great players out there (ie. like you mentioned: Spotify etc.) And iBooks isn't available by default on the phone/tablet, you have to download the app specifically, not that it's difficult, but it's an added step.

In iOS 7, if you're in a country that has access to iRadio (which is apples biggest problem at the moment), when you open the music app, there will be a little radio icon right there. You don't have to sign up (you already have by that point) you just touch and go. That's quite a powerful proposition for many.

I'm not saying pandora is going to be going away, just that, while they won't say they're scared, they most definitely are and are making their moves accordingly.
 
I have Pandora on my iDevices but keep forgetting to use it. I'm forever behind on my podcasts so that's all I listen to when I want to listen to something.
 
let's see how wrong you are

gmail users on ios >>>> mobileme or whatever apple crapware email u call it

youtube >>>> quicktime

google >>> bing/yahoo! (pushed by apple)

next time don't question the loyalty of a great product over convenience -

yeah but you've only listed great services by google, vs what Pandora is, a useful service pioneer i guess in many ways...

in my experience I do not like it's algorithm. If I create multiple stations, like a song on a second station, it will sometimes cross over and playback on the original or 3rd station I create.

another thing that I found odd, is that it seemed to play a lot of music recorded at concerts?... vs my current experience on iTunes Radio, high quality music that does not sound different from my own iTunes Match music.
 
The fanboys should look at this from another perspective. The iTunes suite they hail as glory in a bottle is essentially DEAD if streaming doesn't take off.

This move is pure desperation by Apple. They are no longer dictating the experience anymore.

Something to think about. The word iTunes has connotations of cassette tapes for me and many other. Be it iOS or android, who the hell uses iTunes anymore.

Good luck Apple. It has to be better. And you ain't all the capable of making things better these days.
 
Apple email is NOT free and NOT included with iOS devices.
It is included with every iOS device with iOS 5 or later. It is also included with every Mac with OS X 10.7.4 or later. Review this page as how to obtain one: http://support.apple.com/kb/ht4436

Same here!!

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Your phone must be jb.

Uh, I guess you totally missed my post before responding to the other guy about how terrible the Pandora algorithm is. I am NOT jailbroken nor does the status of your device OS affect the algorithm that is ran on Pandora's server to deliver content to you.

So my post (which you missed) clearly states that I got Kid Cudi on my Classical music radio station. I do have a Kid Cudi radio station, which one time grabbed a country song and I do not even have a country station nor a single country song liked across any of my stations. That's Pandora for you...

I'm saying goodbye to Pandora once iTunes Radio is fully launched and will gladly pay $25 over $36 per year. Plus more features with iTunes Radio anyways.
 
it's not like, pandora is really scared of iTunes or something like that, it's that they just want to make sure that their product grows and people find it hard to leave.
 
Apple's new offerings aren't even public yet and already Pandora is feeling the burn. I think a year from now it'll be "Pandora who?".
 
I think it's funny that they are dropping the 40 hour limit and then say they aren't worried about Apple entering as competition.

Really though, they should be extremely worried. With Pandora, it costs $36/year to eliminate ADs, with Apple it costs just $25/year AND you get full backup of all of your music.

That being said, I would love to see Amazon offer a competing product and make it completely AD free for Amazon Prime customers. I think then we would truly see some real competition and these companies would have to start coming up with innovative new features.
 
yeah but you've only listed great services by google, vs what Pandora is, a useful service pioneer i guess in many ways...

in my experience I do not like it's algorithm. If I create multiple stations, like a song on a second station, it will sometimes cross over and playback on the original or 3rd station I create.

another thing that I found odd, is that it seemed to play a lot of music recorded at concerts?... vs my current experience on iTunes Radio, high quality music that does not sound different from my own iTunes Match music.

cool - im looking fwd to that

you guys i think we are overestimating itunes Radio - it wont be a mega hit

according to my calculations

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I think it's funny that they are dropping the 40 hour limit and then say they aren't worried about Apple entering as competition.

Really though, they should be extremely worried. With Pandora, it costs $36/year to eliminate ADs, with Apple it costs just $25/year AND you get full backup of all of your music.

That being said, I would love to see Amazon offer a competing product and make it completely AD free for Amazon Prime customers. I think then we would truly see some real competition and these companies would have to start coming up with innovative new features.

actually we should be getting paid soon :eek:

btw

nope.
 
Come on, stop regarding the U.S as the whole world.

In addition, don't only think about the smartphones, think wider. When I said 5%, I was including the whole audience of Pandora, include iOS, Android, Windows (XP, 7, 8, Mobile), Linux, OS X, BlackBerry. Among these, iOS, Linux, OS X and BlackBerry are so small, losing any of them in a whole isn't a life or death issue to any cross-platform product. That's why I said, if Android or Windows release something like the iRadio, that's when Pandora needs to really jumping up and down to avoid IMMEDIATE DEATH.

Yes, but considering the shift the whole world has taken towards mobile devices, I would be a lot more worried about the mobile platform than for desktops, which for pandora after-all is unlimited, and there's no real reason for me to choose anything else over pandora for desktop usage, since either way it would most likely require a web browser. I merely brought up the U.S as a benchmark, because that's where most pandora activity comes from so thought it would be appropriate to compare that to marketshare in the U.S, it fits better than using the world in this case. Think about this. Most people access basic online services through the mobile platform, not through their desktops (think facebook and twitter who know this and have been expanding in the mobile platform to keep themselves afloat). The old way of the browser on the desktop is dying for these sorts of services.
 
I don't listen to Pandora enough to even come close to the limit. I usually use it to discover new music, then I use Spotify to listen to whatever songs I want.
 
Say that now but look at the iPhone 4s, 5s, iPod touch and iPad 4. Clues as to what Apple does with their product line. I still remember when Apple had over 90% of the tablet market. A little tweak here and there is not enough. Apple has allowed Android to stomp all over them by staying stagnant. Do you really expect Apple to keep iTunes radio fresh? Apple maps is non existent because Google maps killed it.
Pandora will have no problems staying relevant if Apple is in charge of iTunes radio. You just gave me an idea. Maybe Apple should allow Google to update iOS and leave the hardware to Apple. LOL.

Don't forget that these WOW Android tablets are being sold at cost. Dumping comes to mind when I see their prices, and I'd bet the farm they wouldn't be selling as many if they were priced to make a profit from the sale of the device.

Pandora is fine for background music, and Apple TV has a slew of radio stations that I sometimes use for the same reason. My real music listening is done from my own collection of jazz. ;)
 
Stock took big HIT

8.23.2013
the stock took a big, big hit today going down almost $3 a share.
I don't think this company will last in the market...it will be bought by
HP or someone and then it will be mismanaged badly.
 
I don't see anyone buying Pandora at these levels. $3.5B for a company that can't make much money and whose market looks to totally be getting uprooted. If there was a suitor, HP would be one of the last ones I could see doing this.
 
8.23.2013
the stock took a big, big hit today going down almost $3 a share.
I don't think this company will last in the market...it will be bought by
HP or someone and then it will be mismanaged badly.

Microsoft could buy them and use them to beef up their ecosystem.
 
Isn't Pandora US-only? I already have iTunes Match. So getting iRadio for free is very welcome. :D

Bingo. I have no reason to use iRadio over Pandora, I like Pandora a lot. But I am a Pandora 'subscriber' and won't be after iRadio comes out; because I already have iTunes match. I wonder if Pandora has looked at that scenario in their 'analysis' as I surely can't be the only one?

It's not because I don't like Pandora or even have predetermined I'll like iRadio better. Just that's I'm ALREADY paying for the service.

Pandora has seemed to be slipping though in it's song selection. I got that annoying 'Blurred Lines' song on a classic rock station.
 
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