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Panther Revealed In June (wwdc)

it seems like apple's leaks have been sealed off. by the time they had announced 10.2 to be shown at wwdc there were already screenshots floating around. i want to see what kind of cool stuff 10.3 is going to have. if panther is going to be a full price update, apple knows that people will bitch unless it does some amazing things, so i'm not too worried. the only problem i can forsee is fitting the os onto cds. chances are it will be a fat binary for 64/32 bit machines (i really hope they don't wait 3 years to make it fat like classic) which will increase the size, and new apps/frameworks/etc will increase as well. the bare os for 10.2 barely fit on one cd, i hope they can make this work.
 
"Moving to June ensures that every developer will leave the event with a copy of Panther in their hands."

From this quote I would be led to believe that Panther be final at WWDC. It says a copy of Panther not Developer Preview.
 
Music service perhaps?

My bet would be thats its something about their upcoming music service and maybe a new iTunes for it. I'm sure it would be a whole lot of other stuff too, but with new iPods coming soon (hopefully) it could mean an intergrated music service in iTunes or something like that. Like downloading songs straight to iTunes, and over to your iPod if its connected. Would be great and very simple.

Go Panther!
 
ooo this is something nice to wake upto, now will apple begin shipping seeds to the ADC now?
 
Appls is making a lot of money selling OS

Yes, agree Jaguar was worth $129, and i was in line for the party at Apple Store. Looks like we have to shell out $129 every year i guess, time to buy some APPL stocks.
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
For the new PowerMac 970s they'd need to redo the OS, right? Makes perfect sense to me....
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The PowerPC 970 is a PowerPC processor, and thus shares the same 32-bit instruction set that all other 32-bit implementations of the PowerPC share. IBM has also stated that the changes needed to run a 32-bit OS on the PowerPC 970 are minimal. Therefore there is no reason that they should have to redo anything to run on a PowerPC 970 if they want to run in 32-bit mode -- which is almost certain if Apple intends to release 10.3 within the next 6 months.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Even if Apple releases a PowerPC 970 based system this summer, there is almost zero reason for them to also release a 64-bit version of MacOS X at that time. MacOS X will probably not be a 64-bit OS until at least version 10.4, if only so that developers can actually start revving their apps for such a release.

If there are any doubts, remember that 10.2 was released in August. The PowerPC 970 wasn't sampling until this year, and wasn't announced officially until October of last year. So assuming that Apple is going to make systems with this chip, that would mean that they have probably had less than 3 months to do so thus far. Not only that, but any such test machines they may have had would have been prototypes! This is very bad for development. Apple will not release a 64-bit version of MacOS X until they release 64-bit hardware to the public, period.

Originally posted by 000111one111000
WWDC's date was changed quite a while ago. I forget the reasons, but I do remember reading about it a month or more ago.
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I don't think so. For one, on Tuesday when I bought my e-ticket, it clearly stated that it expired on May 23 - the last day of the former date. Today it states that it expires on June 27 - the last day of the new date. And anyway, I didn't sign up alone, but with 4 others who were all checking dates and schedules, so I don't think that a change like that could have gotten past us all :D.
 
There is a new article over at eWeek at:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,961477,00.asp

The quote I found to be of interest is:

"If Apple goes through with the plan, it will position WWDC as the main summer forum for a Jobs keynote."

The author, Matthew Rothenberg, has at times been a reliable source of info. This sounds like a hint (guess) of a 970 introduction at WWDC

hmmm
 
EXACTLY, guys

That's what some of us at AI have come to consensus on -- that Apple may not even attend MWNY this year. Such fanfare on the website is clearly indicative of this. They could have annouced this date change very minimalistically -- just headline in the Hot News or a little gray blip or link or box on the website. But they didn't. :)

This is going to be good methinks.

tjwett
yeah, doesn't this seem a little soon? i'm sure people are gonna be bummed when they have to pay for an update so soon after Jag. i hope it's worth it or better yet, free!
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To me that would say "970, here we come!" There would, as you say, be no truly other viable reason that I can think of to make this update "worth it."
 
From the eWeek article...

"Our annual Worldwide Developers Conference provides our developers an in-depth look at the future of the Mac platform, and giving everyone a preview release of Panther is the best way to do that," said Ron Okamoto, Apple vice president of Worldwide Developer Relations, in a statement.

Note what I've bolded :)
 
woohoo!! i am so glad i didn't make any plans for the earlier dates for WWDC hopefully i can still go and not have to worry about anything...and waiting in line to get Panther at the apple store if they're releasing it at WWDC :p
 
Originally posted by dukestreet
For the new PowerMac 970s they'd need to redo the OS, right? Makes perfect sense to me....

Also, look forward to paying for Panther if they're making such a big deal about it. And to change the date of a conference, that was probably booked quite a while ago has huge implications. Its not something you do lightly - especially since many people have to change their airline and hotel reservations.

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I know its not confirmed yet, but does everyone have to pay every year for an upgrade? What the heck! Thats weak.
 
I can offer the following as absolute certainties:

1. This will be a fairly early Preview Release, not the shipping product. Its purpose is to allow developers to get excited about the new OS and to start their own work. It will be feature-incomplete and not optimized for speed, as the target group requires neither.

2. The completed product will not ship before the one-year anniversary of Jaguar. (Nevertheless, this is not a "pre-announcement" as major releases must always be given first to developers.)

3. The shipping version will have significant new features, akin to the difference between 10.2 and 10.1. It will be a worthy upgrade and priced accordingly (in the neighborhood of $99-$129, though this has not been determined).

4. People will be happy about the direction of the Power Mac (even if they still don't have as many details as they want). Nothing dramatically new will be shipping by that point, however, or necessarily even announced as such.

5. Panther is for everyone.

6. It would be unwise to think of WWDC as the new MacWorld. It is for developers, period. If you evaluate software and hardware discussions by the same criteria you would at a convention for the general public, you would be significantly missing the point.

elo
 
Originally posted by elo
6. It would be unwise to think of WWDC as the new MacWorld. It is for developers, period. If you evaluate software and hardware discussions by the same criteria you would at a convention for the general public, you would be significantly missing the point.
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i think of WWDC as the Macworld. It's even better than macworld. :p more die hard mac users...
 
They wouldn't release the OS as a final version at WWDC...

That wouldn't make any sense for them to offer Panther for sale to the public at the same time as making it available for developers. You'd have an operating system available with no tested software to run on it. If there's a kernel change, or something else deep down system-wide than could have far-reaching consequences on your existing software that you've been running for quite some time, then you'd probably want the folks that wrote said software to have already made the tweaks necessary to work on the new OS.

Enter the WWDC. That's the reason they're giving the developers a "preview release" of the software to develop for.

Otherwise, we'd all run windows.

Anyway, the reason for the delay is hopefully to show that pather can work on both a 32 bit AND drumroll please... a 64 bit chip. :D
 
Re: They wouldn't release the OS as a final version at WWDC...

Originally posted by Mudbug
Enter the WWDC. That's the reason they're giving the developers a "preview release" of the software to develop for. Otherwise, we'd all run windows. Anyway, the reason for the delay is hopefully to show that pather can work on both a 32 bit AND drumroll please... a 64 bit chip. :D
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They might give developers the official shipping version of Panther :)) just hoping, crossing my fingers ;)) and then perhaps sell the product on another date...developers deserve to get something better than the preview release of Panther for what we're paying to attend WWDC...
 
Re: Re: They wouldn't release the OS as a final version at WWDC...

Originally posted by übergeek
developers deserve to get something better than the preview release of Panther for what we're paying to attend WWDC...
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I'll agree, to an extent, but I think the "getting something" part comes by way of being able to charge consumers for they're wares to work on the OS provided by Apple. Insomuch as I'm able to charge people for the artwork that comes out of my copy of Adobe Photoshop, since I've paid my dues and learned to use the program in the ways it was intended. I'm not guaranteed to get more return from my $700 piece of software than Joe Public down the street, but it's my expertise and ability that people are willing to reimburse me for that makes the conferences and learning sessions worth the $$.

It's not going to come in the form of getting something for free from Apple just because you decided to attend they're training event.
 
I guess the fear of having to spend the extra money for Panther will keep me from buying any G5's until they come out with it. Hopefully the G5 will come much sooner than Panther so they can fix any bugs before they load it with the OS that is meant for it (panther).

Heres some things I think Panther will have:

Animated Desktop Backgrounds
Animated Icons
New transitions and genie effects
Labels
 
Re: Re: Re: They wouldn't release the OS as a final version at WWDC...

Originally posted by Mudbug
I'll agree, to an extent, but I think the "getting something" part comes by way of being able to charge consumers for they're wares to work on the OS provided by Apple....It's not going to come in the form of getting something for free from Apple just because you decided to attend they're training event.
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some developers don't charge people for use of their software...and it's not a training event. And technically for $1300 i would like to get a free copy of Panther :p
edit: okay not $1300 but a fraction of the cost of a premier ADC membership.
 
what are the odds that they removed the themability of OS X for stbility, and that now that it is rock solid they might let some more theming occur?
 
Just because 64 bit IBM 970 is coming this summer does not mean Panther will be 64 bit optimized software. 970 is supposed to be backwards compatible (32 bit). But I'm hopping for Apple to prove me wrong.
 
Originally posted by Shadowfax
what are the odds that they removed the themability of OS X for stbility, and that now that it is rock solid they might let some more theming occur?
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I assume you mean themes like Kalidescope offered for the pre-X OS's, but for now those looking to customize what they can can get candy bar from Icon Factory This may be only icons, but hey, it's a start

I'm having html issues tonight, in case you're wondering about my edits... :rolleyes:
 
Originally posted by jayscheuerle
Ha! It's just that everyone here is an OS junkie and won't be able to resist upgrading no matter what the cost or how little the feature set!

:D
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Well, as far as 10.2 goes, I think hardware accelerated windowing, pdf/opengl/video realtime compositing on said hardware and improved performance across the board, was worth paying for.

Now if all they do is add in a 'theming' api I will not be paying jack, off to the 1999 'hotline' equivalent of today to find an update I can live with...

if on the other hand they bring impressive new features as they have been doing so far for OS X I will gladly pay.

Here's wishing for OpenGL 2!
 
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