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Panther Seeding Continues...

All good info...

A shame about mouse buttons and Exposé, I hope that's put back. Is it back for screen effects?

Excellent about X11, that for one will make me pre-order Panther when it's announced.

I'd like to see great improvements in pref panes, however the icons zoom/fade sounds really smooth :cool:

All good info guys...keep it coming!

AppleMatt
 
Hmm, well touching a file in terminal while the relevant directory is open does not result in the file showing up instantly. Only upon bring the Finder window to the foreground does the file get shown. Wasn't Jaguar like this as well?
 
yeah, Jaguar was like this, I'd hoped they'd have changed all this, especially with the kqueue support... When a file is being downloaded, it's size in the get info window doesn't update either?

could you (or someone else) post the release notes?
 
Originally posted by DrugsBunny
Where is that Vault thing???? I looked everywhere and I can't find it. Hey, has anyone checked out Chess? That thing is so totally cool now.
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Yea, the now fully 3D chess is very cool, complete with reflections and spinning the board around to any angle.
 
Originally posted by richard5mith
Yea, the now fully 3D chess is very cool, complete with reflections and spinning the board around to any angle.
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The real question is, can anyone beat it yet? I defy anyone to beat Jaguars' chess.

Keep the info coming lads, good work.

AppleMatt
 
Mail is extremely fast. Being able to select multiple folders at once and then thread the contents is a great way to see a mail conversation. So I select sent items and my work folder and then switch on threaded mode and I can see the original message, my reply, their reply, my reply and so on.

Default for zip files doesn't appear to be stuffit anymore, seems to be BOMArchiveHelper. Downloading zip with Safari, it unzipped it and I never even saw the original zip. Everywhere I can right click on folders, files etc and choose "archive" and I get a zip file of the selected item.

Quicktime performance is improved, it now does a lot better at playing the huge AVI file I have than it does in Jaguar. It doesn't play the sound for that video though, even though it does in Jaguar. VLC plays the sound and video for it fine tho.

The lock icon on system preference windows etc looks different.

Info window under the Ownership and permissions shows what you can do with the file and then expands again to let you change the owner/group/other as before.

Smooth scrolling can be switched on/off and doesn't mess up the safari window contents.

Pressing command and up arrow in the finder opens the containing folder of whatever folder you're currently in.

Brushed metal finder still looks horrible, UI is all wrong. At least clicking the lozenge in the top right returns it to Aqua no toolbar mode.

I will say that some of this stuff might already have been in Panther, but I didn't get enough time to use the previous build properly.
 
sounds great! I for one really long for a snappier Mail.app and threading sounds great!
 
Threaded mail will be useful for me. I've currently got a few ongoing disputes with eBayers, and at the moment I'm copying the emails from inbox and sent folders into a "dispute" folder. This will eliminate the need for that.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who doesn't like the new finder, I was afraid of saying it before incase I got flamed. I don't think it's like iTunes, usability and functionally. I do like being able to put my folders down one side and dragging files to them though, it gets them off my dock.

Also glad QT performance is up, perhaps they've started removing the OS 9 code and replacing it with X-native code (which they should have done in the OS X beta). Good stuff, very interesting. That's pretty comprehensive, but if you notice more, you know where to post :wink:

AppleMatt
 
great info... The archive cmm is intriguing to say the least.

how well is it threaded? ie does archiving large directories slow down the finder, or block it? does it take advantage of duals?

does the finder still lock-up while accessing an iDisk, or can you just open another finder window and be on your way?

Is the size of the item in the Get Info window live, ie does it change when a file is being downloaded?

So many questions ;o)
 
Zipping was really fast, couldn't even see the CPU usage go up when running top to check. Could easily open other Finder windows at the same time, as I could also do while waiting for an iDisk folder to come up (the apple software one).
 
Um, about command up-arrow to go to the folder which contains the current one has been in MacOS for about as long as I remember! It is all to do with going down a level and up and level in the file system hierarchy. It works with the down arrow too to open a folder.
 
I just want to know when this is coming out (final release that is)? I thought it would be the same as Jag late August/early Sept, but now I'm not so sure. I know they've stated before the end of the year, but I wish they would give us a specific or estimated date, because I want to reinstall my whole system from scratch and then reinstall all my apps, but if Panther will be out soon I'll wait until then, but if it is in Nov I might just do it now. Anyway, all the new changes sound fun.

And about MOSR, I also used to use them a lot back in the day, as with AppleInsider. However, even though I check them out now (mostly out of habit), they do have some practices that annoy me. I hate how they lately have been begging for sponsers to test new hardware and then post the results giving "good marketing" for them. Lame. It comes across to me as, "Hey give us new stuff to play with and will make up some results based on hardly anything, but will mention your name a few times saying you were nice to give us stuff because we're cheap and can't get enough off of adverstising to buy it ourselves." I really hate that, but maybe I'll just make my own site and do the same.

Hey if any of you give me a G5 I'll tell my family/friends you were nice to me, and I'll say it is much faster than my G4 450/AGP. Woohoo!!!
 
Originally posted by joephish
Um, about command up-arrow to go to the folder which contains the current one has been in MacOS for about as long as I remember! It is all to do with going down a level and up and level in the file system hierarchy. It works with the down arrow too to open a folder.
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It's because it's now in the Finder Go menu along with back and forward and I just hadn't noticed it before.
 
Let's just ignore it, Richard said some of the things he mentioned might already be present. Discussion of new features is more juicy.

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by richard5mith
It's because it's now in the Finder Go menu along with back and forward and I just hadn't noticed it before.
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I'm still running the test update, but both this version and the first version have Panther had an annoying bug with Cmd-Up. If you're heading up the tree and reach the top ("Computer Name") and hit it one more time, you'll crash the Finder. Happens each and every time for me.
 
scp in the terminal keeps opening a kerberos application asking me to authenticate. Cancel twice and scp runs as normal. Anybody got any idea how to disable that?
 
Metal Finder

What I want to know is,

A) is there a way to get rid of those beastly metallic finder windows that take up so much space ?

B) Is there a way to keep that annoying side drawer closed so that it doesnt auto-open on new windows ?

I thought the previous interface was just fine... I hope someone can do for the Finder what Safari Enhancer did for Safari (revert it to Aqua) if apple doesnt give us the option.
 
I'd like to see more feautures added

I guess i'm still one of the few that think this update is ho-hum. I'm mean there are definately some worth while features... but on a whole, it seems weaker than the jag update. I still would like to see a re-implementation of finder tabs a la OS9 (just like apple did with spring-loaded folders). I'd like to see more customization in the dock... a better way of grouping things, and I'd like to see spring loaded folders from the dock that even worked in heirarchal menus... it would help me out a lot. When adding a new file in list view, I'd love it if I could just type the name instead of having to click it off and then click on it to edit text. I like to see some interface improvements. I find it annoying that there is only one way to grab a finder window (by the top). In OS9 you use to be able to grab a window from the left hand side of the window frame... in OSX they eliminated that part of the frame. Why this bothers me is in OSX sometimes moves window's title bar and navigation up under the menu bar making it impossible to move the window down, forcing me to do command W and opening the window up again. Maybe I'm unaware of something that could help me out here, if so, enlighten me. I can think of many other things that shareware hacks provide that should be part of the OS... windowshades, themes, system font control, labels (finally)-- Question: do they work in list view?

There is more, but you get the idea... Does anyone else think this update is yawn? If so, I'd like to hear what you think this OS is lacking.
 
Download Problems?

I'm an ADC Select member, so I log in to the ADC site and try to download the new Panther images, but I keep timing out before the download starts. Are the servers simply saturated, or is there another problem? Anyone else having problems (or success even)?

Thanks for any feedback
 
Re: Download Problems?

Originally posted by daveL
I'm an ADC Select member, so I log in to the ADC site and try to download the new Panther images, but I keep timing out before the download starts. Are the servers simply saturated, or is there another problem? Anyone else having problems (or success even)?

Thanks for any feedback
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The servers are very busy :)
 
Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by movabi
I can think of many other things that shareware hacks provide that should be part of the OS... windowshades
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Exposé is much much better than window shades.
 
Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by JLL
Exposé is much much better than window shades.
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It's window shade. Although I like Exposé, it's not actually 'better' than window shade, it's different. I'd like both, window shade would be much more useful over the 'wow' factor of Exposé to me.

AppleMatt
 
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