Panther Seeding Continues...

[Catfish_Man]

Re: Re: Re: Metal Finder

Originally posted by Adam Betts
Nope, Finder is not cocoa but it do use .Nib based interface now.

.Nib based interface is a "cocoa" interface. It will behave in the same way as most cocoa app does.

From what I've read, it uses a nib for everything except for the main window. Grrr.....

(I'm pissed because brushed metal is really really easy to turn off on nibs)

 

[gregorypierce]

I'll just add in my 0.02 and say that its nigh impossible to download the latest seed right now - in none of the prior betas have I ever gotten to the point where I couldn't download from ANY of the apple ADC servers.

I guess from all this popularity one can assume that this is going to be a popular release - though having to waste days waiting to download the software is a real pisser

 

[daveL]

Originally posted by gregorypierce
I'll just add in my 0.02 and say that its nigh impossible to download the latest seed right now - in none of the prior betas have I ever gotten to the point where I couldn't download from ANY of the apple ADC servers.

I guess from all this popularity one can assume that this is going to be a popular release - though having to waste days waiting to download the software is a real pisser

I agree. Here you pay for an ADC membership, so you can have access to this stuff in a timely manner, but Apple doesn't bring on enough servers and/or bandwidth to service the load. They certainly shouldn't be surprised by the demand. Frankly, I didn't think they would put it up for downloading; I was expecting CDs in the mail, which may still be true. Like you, I've tried every site over and over again. I've never been able to get more than 2 KB/sec, so it would take several days to do the download, assuming no problems. The sites in the US seem to be simply rejecting new connections. The other sites are allowing them, even though the download rates are < 1 KB/sec. That just doesn't make sense to me. Why allow new users to log in if you can't support reasonable download rates? You end up with a large number of *very* slow connections, so nobody is happy and lots of folks just give up, so the whole excercise is a waste of time and bandwidth.

You would think they would be a bit smarter about this.

 

[JLL]

Originally posted by daveL
I agree. Here you pay for an ADC membership, so you can have access to this stuff in a timely manner, but Apple doesn't bring on enough servers and/or bandwidth to service the load.

This is the first time an ADC download doesn't max out my connection - Apple usually have enough servers and bandwidth for this.

Edit: Perhaps I should read my posts before submitting

 

[AppleMatt]

hmmm...hopefully when ADC members are actually able to download it a few more details will trickle in...it's exciting stuff.

AppleMatt

 

[richard5mith]

I must have just been lucky because I was in there early, I downloaded all three files at the same time, each one getting around 100k/sec.

 

[Rincewind42]

Re: Re: Re: Metal Finder

Originally posted by Adam Betts
Nope, Finder is not cocoa but it do use .Nib based interface now.

.Nib based interface is a "cocoa" interface. It will behave in the same way as most cocoa app does.

Nibs are not the 'cocoa' interface, they are simply a resource file type. There are Carbon nibs & Cocoa nibs. The Finder is carbon based, and all the nibs in it are carbon nibs.

Metallifizer will have to be revved to add/remove the metal look from Carbon apps. I suspect the only reason why it wasn't already made to work with Carbon apps is because the user experience wouldn't be uniform (not all Carbon apps support Metal, but if the app supports Metal, then it supports removing it als0).

 

[Adam Betts]

Re: Re: Re: Re: Metal Finder

Originally posted by Rincewind42
Nibs are not the 'cocoa' interface, they are simply a resource file type. There are Carbon nibs & Cocoa nibs. The Finder is carbon based, and all the nibs in it are carbon nibs.

I know they aren't real cocoa but they looks more like one now than before.

 

[sergeantmudd]

Can ADC members download Panther?

I registered as ADC member awhile ago for the developer tools, but I didn't pay anything. If you pay, do you get a seed of Panther?

 

[Catfish_Man]

Re: Can ADC members download Panther?

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
I registered as ADC member awhile ago for the developer tools, but I didn't pay anything. If you pay, do you get a seed of Panther?

Yeah, it costs a bundle though.

 

[merges]

ADC Select membership is only $500 per year, and you get a lot of great benefits (including seeds of the OS to develop with, a number of discounts, as well as regular mailings and release copies of the OS).

It's not that expensive, really...

 

[daveL]

Re: Can ADC members download Panther?

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
I registered as ADC member awhile ago for the developer tools, but I didn't pay anything. If you pay, do you get a seed of Panther?

This brings up an interesting point. I hinted at this a while ago, but nobody bit. Anyway, I paid for a Select membership about a month ago for 500 bucks a year. I get a number of benefits, one of which is access to developer betas, both by download and by a monthly mailing. It's all described in detail on the ADC site. As part of the Select membership I get *5* developer seeding software keys. This means I get everything that comes out, both GM and beta. I'm aload to give my *4* extra ADC download assets to other ADC members. As far as I know, these ADC members don't have to be paying ADC memebers, although I don't know this for sure. So, I thought I might interest other non-paying ADC members in my spare ADC download assets. If it works as I think it does, and that would have to be verified, I can transfer my download assets to non-paying ADC members, and you would be able to down load *all* versions of OS X, developer tools, apps (not for fee ones), etc. There's also some trial software available, like WebObjects releases.

Other than testing that this idea is legal, is anyone interested? I'd like to recoup a small fee, if everyone thinks that is reasonable, to help me defray my membership fees (I'm an individual). I was thinking $30 for the year for each download asset. This is much cheaper than the Panther upgrade price, so it seems like a good deal all round (which makes me wonder if there's a legal hitch to it ). I'm not trying to scam anyone, and I'm not trying to bootleg Apple software. I'm perfectly willing to try this out with an ADC freebie, with no money invovled, to see if it's feasable, legal, acceptable and whatnot.

 

[jaykk]

ADC Select Vs ADC Mailings

Looks like ADC select is worth $500 but I have a question. How does it compare to ADC Mailings for $200? Does anyone have ADC Mailings alone? It also includes GM version ( a US$129 value) plus monthly developer CD/Sample codes etc. Does the Mailings comes with panther beta/XCode etc? I just wanna try XCode mainly. Is it worth it?

ADC Select Membership Benifits ( US$500)
--------------------------------------------
One-year program membership with access to a SELECT bundle of technical and marketing benefits, including:
Mac OS X and Mac OS X Developer Tools on CD-ROM
One (1) ADC Select Mailing Subscription
Two (2) Technical Support Incidents
ADC Software Seeding Program
ADC Compatibility Labs Access
ADC Select Technical and Business Discounts

ADC Mailing ( US$199 )
------------------------------
One-year subscription to a monthly developer mailing. A subscription to the ADC Mailing delivers current technical and marketing information, Developer Tools, Mac OS X GM releases, the Developer CD/DVD Series (technical documentation, sample code, development kits), and other development resources.

 

[HornetOSX]

Re: Re: Can ADC members download Panther?

Originally posted by daveL
This brings up an interesting point. I hinted at this a while ago, but nobody bit. Anyway, I paid for a Select membership about a month ago for 500 bucks a year. I get a number of benefits, one of which is access to developer betas, both by download and by a monthly mailing. It's all described in detail on the ADC site. As part of the Select membership I get *5* developer seeding software keys. This means I get everything that comes out, both GM and beta. I'm aload to give my *4* extra ADC download assets to other ADC members. As far as I know, these ADC members don't have to be paying ADC memebers, although I don't know this for sure. So, I thought I might interest other non-paying ADC members in my spare ADC download assets. If it works as I think it does, and that would have to be verified, I can transfer my download assets to non-paying ADC members, and you would be able to down load *all* versions of OS X, developer tools, apps (not for fee ones), etc. There's also some trial software available, like WebObjects releases.

Other than testing that this idea is legal, is anyone interested? I'd like to recoup a small fee, if everyone thinks that is reasonable, to help me defray my membership fees (I'm an individual). I was thinking $30 for the year for each download asset. This is much cheaper than the Panther upgrade price, so it seems like a good deal all round (which makes me wonder if there's a legal hitch to it ). I'm not trying to scam anyone, and I'm not trying to bootleg Apple software. I'm perfectly willing to try this out with an ADC freebie, with no money invovled, to see if it's feasable, legal, acceptable and whatnot.

I'm willing to be the guinea pig to test if it is "OK" e-mail me clublights<AT>mac.com

 

[vrapan]

ADC spare keys

Hi DaveL,

Please count me in for one of your spare keys. If your idea works out I would be willing to pay for one of the spare seeding keys.

My email is vrapan@yahoo.com

Let me know when you have figured it out... I wouldn't mind helping out to find out about the feasibility and / or legality of the matter. One question does the paid ADC gives you the right to download GM software??? Sounds pretty generous of Apple.

Thanks

 

[vrapan]

Spare ADC keys

ADC Software Seed Key
An "ADC Software Seed Key" is required to access the seed software. Each Select and Premier membership includes five (5) ADC Software Seed keys that are assigned to the owner of the account. The owner of the Select or Premier account may then transfer the additional ADC Software Seed Keys to other ADC members in order to download software. The ADC Software Seed keys can be used as often as needed, and they are valid for the duration of the original owner's membership.

It seems that transferring the keys is perfectly legal. All the person needs is an ADC and no other restrictions.

 

[Snowster]

Hi DaveL

I would be interested. Contact me by email: vidgrenm@yahoo.com. I am a ADC student member, so basically the transfer of that seed key will be instant.

This is what Apple has to say about the subject, please note that they are referring to 'other ADC members inyour company' - dont know if that makes any difference...

-Snowster

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Q: I want to give others on my development team access to the "Download Software" area of the ADC Member Site. What should I do?

A: If you are a Select or Premier member, you have five (5) ADC Software Seed Keys assigned to your account. You may transfer a key to other ADC members in your company (please see the ADC Terms and Conditions (pdf) for eligibility requirements on sharing confidential information).

To transfer a key, Log In to the ADC Member Site, go to your "Manage Assets" area, Click on the Transfer button for ADC Software Seed Key, and enter the e-mail address of the person you would like to entitle with software seed access. They must be registered in our Online (free) program for the transfer to take place. Once you have transfered a key, this recipient will have immediate access to the software seeds in the "Download Software" area and will receive the next "ADC Seed Update" notice.

 

[Kid Red]

Re: Can ADC members download Panther?

Originally posted by sergeantmudd
I registered as ADC member awhile ago for the developer tools, but I didn't pay anything. If you pay, do you get a seed of Panther?

Or be a beta tester in their Apple Seed program. However, they aren't accepting additional applications currently.

 

[daveL]

Re: ADC spare keys

Originally posted by vrapan
Hi DaveL,

Please count me in for one of your spare keys. If your idea works out I would be willing to pay for one of the spare seeding keys.

My email is vrapan@yahoo.com

Let me know when you have figured it out... I wouldn't mind helping out to find out about the feasibility and / or legality of the matter. One question does the paid ADC gives you the right to download GM software??? Sounds pretty generous of Apple.

Thanks

Just to clarify, the ADC download / seed site has beta and GM images for OS X and the development tools. You don't have access to iLife, as an example, or Final Cut. The software keys also don't get you the mailings, i.e. CDs, just downloads. The original WWDC Panther CDs were never put up on the ADC site for download, only the most recent beta. I'll be contacting those that are interested in the next day or two via email.

Thanks!

 

[Linc]

Re: Re: Can ADC members download Panther?

Originally posted by daveL
This brings up an interesting point. I hinted at this a while ago, but nobody bit. Anyway, I paid for a Select membership about a month ago for 500 bucks a year. I get a number of benefits, one of which is access to developer betas, both by download and by a monthly mailing. It's all described in detail on the ADC site. As part of the Select membership I get *5* developer seeding software keys. This means I get everything that comes out, both GM and beta. I'm aload to give my *4* extra ADC download assets to other ADC members. As far as I know, these ADC members don't have to be paying ADC memebers, although I don't know this for sure. So, I thought I might interest other non-paying ADC members in my spare ADC download assets. If it works as I think it does, and that would have to be verified, I can transfer my download assets to non-paying ADC members, and you would be able to down load *all* versions of OS X, developer tools, apps (not for fee ones), etc. There's also some trial software available, like WebObjects releases.

Other than testing that this idea is legal, is anyone interested? I'd like to recoup a small fee, if everyone thinks that is reasonable, to help me defray my membership fees (I'm an individual). I was thinking $30 for the year for each download asset. This is much cheaper than the Panther upgrade price, so it seems like a good deal all round (which makes me wonder if there's a legal hitch to it ). I'm not trying to scam anyone, and I'm not trying to bootleg Apple software. I'm perfectly willing to try this out with an ADC freebie, with no money invovled, to see if it's feasable, legal, acceptable and whatnot.

I'd be interested too, if there is still room. email is lstoll 'at' mac 'dot' com Cheers!

 

[oogje]

Hopefully I'm wrong but it's my understanding you can only transfer assets to fellow employees of the company you work for. Although this seems arbitrary I believe it assumes an employee has some sort of employee agreement in place with a responsible entity regarding company private information which (again presumably) the apple info is covered under.

So, read the Terms of your ADC membership and it's not clear email ADC for clarification. And if I'm wrong please give us a reference we can use. Thanks.

ber

 

[daveL]

Originally posted by oogje
Hopefully I'm wrong but it's my understanding you can only transfer assets to fellow employees of the company you work for. Although this seems arbitrary I believe it assumes an employee has some sort of employee agreement in place with a responsible entity regarding company private information which (again presumably) the apple info is covered under.

So, read the Terms of your ADC membership and it's not clear email ADC for clarification. And if I'm wrong please give us a reference we can use. Thanks.

ber

I just finished reading the fine print, and you are correct. I'm only allowed to share the seed keys with employees and contractors of the company I work for, which in this case is me. It's very specific about this. The other info on the ADC site doesn't mention this restriction; it only appears in the ADC T&C pdf.

Sorry. I didn't mean to get people excited over nohing, but ...

 

[oogje]

Perhaps you're in a position to hire people for say $1/year. I believe Caroline Kennedy works for the City of New York under a similar arrangement. Although you would think she could afford her own ADC seed membership.

ber

 

[daveL]

Originally posted by oogje
Perhaps you're in a position to hire people for say $1/year. I believe Caroline Kennedy works for the City of New York under a similar arrangement. Although you would think she could afford her own ADC seed membership.

ber

The problem there is I'm not incorporated or otherwise set up to handle employees. What ADC is requiring is a legal binding between the ADC member that agreed to the NDA and those with whom he shares his ADC assets.

 

[bitfactory]

the keys are useless right now - the servers are still not accepting new connections... after being a Select member for almost 4 years, this is the first time i've seen this happen... arrgg.