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Panther Seeding Continues...

No problem DaveL. When I read an earlier post I wondered.

I think we should all drop it, although I would have really liked the key (there's no way I can afford $500!!!), there's no point risking DaveL losing his ADC membership, Apple kicked someone yesterday because they tried to leak the latest Panther build.

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by bitfactory
the keys are useless right now - the servers are still not accepting new connections... after being a Select member for almost 4 years, this is the first time i've seen this happen... arrgg.
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I know what you mean. I sent an email to ADC last night to complain. All I've gotten back so far are automated, canned responses. I've heard others say, as you have, that this is very unusual, but what can be happening that makes it so hard for them to correct the problem / overload? Especially after 3 days!
 
Originally posted by daveL
I've heard others say, as you have, that this is very unusual, but what can be happening that makes it so hard for them to correct the problem / overload? Especially after 3 days!
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that's the bizarre thing - i mean, even all the Jaguar updates saturated my cable line - EVERY update... i can't even get on the friggin box - unless you count Asia Pacific or Europe, but there's no way i'm waiting 302 hours for one disc image! :)
 
Originally posted by bitfactory
that's the bizarre thing - i mean, even all the Jaguar updates saturated my cable line - EVERY update... i can't even get on the friggin box - unless you count Asia Pacific or Europe, but there's no way i'm waiting 302 hours for one disc image! :)
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What is also maddening is that there hasn't even been a staus message added saying what is going on, or when they expect things to improve. Just a simple message informing us so we don't continue to waste our time. I can't imagine the fact that a bunch of people are continually trying to start transfers in helping any. In situations like this, a little information goes a long way.
 
Finally was able to get all of 7B21 downloaded. Installed on my 17" PB. All seems well except for one weird thing...

Address Book crashes every time I try to open it. I even tried temporarily removing the...

~/Library/Addresses
~/Library/Application Support/Address Book

...folders elsewhere and running it. Also tossed the prefs.

Has anyone else experienced this problem?

Any suggested fixes???

--gordon

P.S. - I did the the dialog box that lets me submit a report to Apple, which I did..
 
Originally posted by gordyt
Address Book crashes every time I try to open it.
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It seems to be Bluetooth related. Doesn't matter if you switch it on or off in the prefs too.
 
anyone has a clue where the system icons are? trying to find the file (systemicons.rsrc) but it is no where. any clue as to where they put them? thanks a lot
 
Originally posted by scoop
It seems to be Bluetooth related. Doesn't matter if you switch it on or off in the prefs too.
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Does anyone know if it is possible to temporarily remove all "references" to Bluetooth -- maybe my moving the bluetooth frameworks to a different folder?

I would love to see if that would work if someone could post a suggestion for a procedure.

--gordon
 
Address Book

Has anyone tried trashing ~/Library/Cashes/ ?

You could do a find of bluetooth and make it check even invisible files, but I wouldn't recommend it. Does this behavior persist in a brand new user?

Jaedreth
 
Re: Address Book

Hi Jaedreth,

About this...

Originally posted by jaedreth
Has anyone tried trashing ~/Library/Cashes/ ?

You could do a find of bluetooth and make it check even invisible files, but I wouldn't recommend it. Does this behavior persist in a brand new user?

Jaedreth
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Thanks for the idea. I just tried the following:

1. toss the ~/Library/Caches folder
2. restart and log-in
3. open Address Book

Same thing - still crashes. Here is info from the first few lines of the crash log:

Date/Time: 2003-07-31 15:58:02 -0500
OS Version: 10.3 (Build 7B21)
Host: gordy12

Command: Address Book (/Applications/Address Book.app/Contents/MacOS/Address Book)
PID: 1542
Thread: 0

Exception: EXC_BAD_ACCESS (0x0001)
Codes: KERN_INVALID_ADDRESS (0x0001) at 0x4e534195

Thread 0 Crashed:
#0 0x9081c24c in objc_msgSend (objc_msgSend + 12)
#1 0x94041370 in IOBluetoothLocalDeviceAvailable (IOBluetoothLocalDeviceAvailable + 44)
#2 0x007c93c8 in fillBufferWithOctetsFromString (fillBufferWithOctetsFromString + 228)
#3 0x9081a840 in _objc_call_loads_for_image (_objc_call_loads_for_image + 192)
#4 0x8fe1849c in call_funcs_for_add_image (call_funcs_for_add_image + 140)
#5 0x8fe183d4 in call_registered_funcs_for_add_images_in_objects (call_registered_funcs_for_add_images_in_objects + 104)
#6 0x8fe182f4 in call_registered_funcs_for_add_images (call_registered_funcs_for_add_images + 28)
 
Re: Bluetooth logs

Hi Jaedreth,

Originally posted by jaedreth
Send that to Apple if you haven't already.

Jaedreth
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I filed a bug report and sent them a description of everything I've tried along with copies of the crash log and also a complete system profiler report.

If you can think of anything else that would be helpful to them let me know and I'll send that as well.

--g
 
That should do it...

Did you tell them what time the error occurred? If you send them crash logs, they need to know what date and time the issue occurred, else they're looking through tons of stuff unnecessarily.

Also, to try to get it working, have you tried to reinstall Panther?

Jaedreth
 
Re: That should do it...

Hi Jaedreth,


Originally posted by jaedreth
Did you tell them what time the error occurred? If you send them crash logs, they need to know what date and time the issue occurred, else they're looking through tons of stuff unnecessarily.

Also, to try to get it working, have you tried to reinstall Panther?

Jaedreth
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I did tell them the date and time. I have not tried to reinstall Panter yet, but was considering doing that this weekend. When I installed the 7B21 update, I used the option that moves your current system to the "Previous Systems" folder and preserves user settings.

I'm considering doing a complete wipe-and-install; however, I want to make sure I will be able to restore all of my user data correctly. I use Retropect for backups of /User, so I have everything saved...

Since my user account was the first one added (user id 501).. I think if I do a clean install and then add my account in using the same information as before, that should be added again with user id 501.

Then I can reinstall Retrospect and restore my /Users folder.

At least that is my tentative plan... I know I will have to go and reinstall a bunch of apps as well.

Do you see any problems with that?

--g
 
Re: Re: That should do it...

Originally posted by gordyt
Hi Jaedreth,




I did tell them the date and time. I have not tried to reinstall Panter yet, but was considering doing that this weekend. When I installed the 7B21 update, I used the option that moves your current system to the "Previous Systems" folder and preserves user settings.

I'm considering doing a complete wipe-and-install; however, I want to make sure I will be able to restore all of my user data correctly. I use Retropect for backups of /User, so I have everything saved...

Since my user account was the first one added (user id 501).. I think if I do a clean install and then add my account in using the same information as before, that should be added again with user id 501.

Then I can reinstall Retrospect and restore my /Users folder.

At least that is my tentative plan... I know I will have to go and reinstall a bunch of apps as well.

Do you see any problems with that?

--g
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Given that these are beta releases, I've been doing clean installs. All I bring over from Jag are docs, pics, music, etc. I *don't* restore my /User prefs; I set my preferences fresh with Panther after each install. It's a bit time consuming, but I get a better idea of what's new. I sync my bookmarks and such via my .Mac account.

I keep two partitions: One for Jag and one for Panther. My experience so far is that the more separation you have between the two, the less likely you are to have strange problems crop up.

HTH
 
Careful back and restore of OS X

Not only do you want to back up your entire Users folder, use all the same account info in the setup assistant, including longname and password, but short name is most important, but you have to be careful about how you put the files back.

In order to prevent issues, you want to go into your "new" user folder, and remove all of the folders in it, then add the "old" (backup) folders. Then you want to manually make sure your entire user folder has proper permissions for you, get info on your folder, and make sure owner is you and group is staff, apply to enclosed.

However:

You want to test the BlueTooth issue *before* you restore your backup. If it does work properly, it is possible putting back your old folders may cause the issue again. If it doesn't fix the issue, it's a bug in the OS itself, and you won't be able to fix it, so just put everything back.

I hope this is clear.

Jaedreth
 
Re: Careful back and restore of OS X

Hi Jaedreth,

Originally posted by jaedreth

You want to test the BlueTooth issue *before* you restore your backup. If it does work properly, it is possible putting back your old folders may cause the issue again. If it doesn't fix the issue, it's a bug in the OS itself, and you won't be able to fix it, so just put everything back.

I hope this is clear.

Jaedreth
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Many thanks for the great info. I understand you perfectly. I'll try that this weekend and post the results in this forum. Hopefully we can track something down that will help others with the same problem.

--gordon
 
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Hi daveL,

Originally posted by daveL
I keep two partitions: One for Jag and one for Panther. My experience so far is that the more separation you have between the two, the less likely you are to have strange problems crop up.

HTH
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This sounds like a reasonalble approach to take. Most of my preferences I wouldn't mind having to reset manually. I guess the main things I want to be sure to keep are:

1. email
2. keychain stuff
3. browser bookmarks
4. address book info (very important)

stuff like that (I'm probably overlooking something)

Application registration stuff I keep copies of so that's no problem.

--gordon
 
gordyt

If your email is imap, and you keep everything on the mail server (including sent folder), then the mail app will simply download everything to your local mail folder. At least that's how it has worked for me. My /User folder is separate for each OS, so I don't have to worry about one version of the mail app messing up the other.

One thing I have noticed is if you open a file on your Jag disk, say a PDF, while your in Panther, when you go back to Jag and open it, preview will silently fail. If you bring up the context menu and look under "Open With", you'll see that the default app for the file has been changed to the Panther version, which isn't found, of course. You just need to select the Jag version to open it correctly.

HTH
 
Update on Address Book crashing

Greetings All!


Just finished a tedious exercise in futility! :-(

Wiped the hard drive on my 17"PB and did a clean intall of 7B21. Logged in. Started Address Book...


...you guessed it! Still crashes.

--gordy

P.S. - I did send in the report to Apple.
 
Re: gordyt

Originally posted by daveL
One thing I have noticed is if you open a file on your Jag disk, say a PDF, while your in Panther, when you go back to Jag and open it, preview will silently fail. If you bring up the context menu and look under "Open With", you'll see that the default app for the file has been changed to the Panther version, which isn't found, of course. You just need to select the Jag version to open it correctly.
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Yep I had this problem, if you look at the console log though you'll see it is found, it just crashes on starting up (also logs a preview crash log)

If you get info on the file, expand the open with and change it back to Jaguars preview, you can then press the 'change all' button so you don't have to do it with every pdf/jpg/gif etc etc on your system

AppleMatt
 
Workaround for Address Book crash

Greetings All!

A couple of bits 'o news....

Got an email from Apple. They said the Address Book crash is a known problem and they are working on it.

In the mean while...since I went back and did a clean install anyway (see earlier post), I figured I had nothing to lose by playing around...

If you don't need to use your Bluetooth for now, I found the following steps will resolve the Address Book problem. At least it did for me:

1. Book in to single-user mode (hold down cmd-s while booting).

2. Mount the filesystem:
/sbin/mount -uw /

3. Make a directory where you can temporarily store some system files. I created a "tmp" directory in my account's home directory:
mkdir /Users/gordy/tmp

4. Move these Bluetooth-related files to your temporary directory (note: replace the dest_dir with the one that you created in step 3):

mv /usr/sbin/blued dest_dir/.
mv /System/Library/Frameworks/IOBluetoothUI.framework dest_dir/.
mv /System/Library/CoreServices/BluetoothUIServer.app dest_dir/.

5. Load the GUI:
exit

After doing this I checked the /var/log/system.log and didn't see anything weird.

I ran Address Book. No problems. Ran iSync and reloaded everything from my .mac account. Also ran good.

Now I know I won't be able to use Bluetooth for now, but that is OK for me because I do not yet have any Bluetooth devices anyway.

If anyone else wants to try this that is having problems, I would be interested to find out if it works for them.

--gordy
 
AppleMatt:

I never checked the console log, so I didn't realize the Panther app was crashing, but it make perfect sense. Thanks.

gordyt:

I know it can't hurt to go to single user mode, but it seems a bit pedantic (not that that's a bad thing). Couldn't you just kill off the blued process, if it's running, and then moce the files? No big deal, either way. It's great that you found a work-around!
 
Hi DaveL,

Originally posted by daveL
gordyt:

I know it can't hurt to go to single user mode, but it seems a bit pedantic (not that that's a bad thing). Couldn't you just kill off the blued process, if it's running, and then moce the files? No big deal, either way. It's great that you found a work-around!
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It seemed as if there was another process that kept restarting the "blued" process as soon as it crashed. But I wasn't sure who kept trying to restart the blued process.

I initially did a bunch of searching to see if there was some configuration file that was starting it so I could edit that file to prevent it from even trying to start in the first place. But so far I haven't been able to figure out where that might be.

My first thoughts in just moving "blued" from its regular directory was that maybe whatever was trying to start it would complain about the file not being there and thus let me know which process was responsible....but nobody complained!

Oh, and I'm sure you are right about being able to just move it w/o single-user mode.

The motivation for single user mode was so that I could relocate the IOBluetoothUI.framework direcotory. When I tried to move it with the GUI up, the system wouldn't do it...

--g
 
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