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Re: Re: Download Problems?

Originally posted by JLL
The servers are very busy :)
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The download site banner says to use ftp rather than a browser, but I'll be damned if I can get logged in. Can anyone tell me what they want for user name and password? I've tried my ADC login and my ADC "person number" and ADC password, but neither worked. Maybe it's just the server load?

Thanks in advance.
 
Try a different server, there is a choice of five at the top of the page. Europe was completely saturated for me last night, but I had good success with the asia one and usa 2.
 
Re: Re: Re: Download Problems?

Originally posted by daveL
The download site banner says to use ftp rather than a browser, but I'll be damned if I can get logged in. Can anyone tell me what they want for user name and password? I've tried my ADC login and my ADC "person number" and ADC password, but neither worked. Maybe it's just the server load?

Thanks in advance.
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I'm using FTP and it's almost finished now - it took 9 hours on a 1MBit line.

If you log on to connect.apple.com and try to download a file, the session password that you can use in a FTP client too shows up in the URL bar.
 
As for revision numbers/letters...The first number is the kernel version (6 is Jaguar, 7 is Panther), the letter is the kernel revision (6.6 is 10.2.6), and the numbers afterward i believe is the nth compiled version of the version and revision (6L60 released after 59 internal builds). A simple hostinfo will affirm the first two.

mosr just makes stuff up. avoid that site like the plague, along with looprumors. there is a difference between a rumor site and an attention-getting farce. if you are going to read mosr and lr, you may as well read CARS as a bonefied rumor site.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Download Problems?

Originally posted by JLL
I'm using FTP and it's almost finished now - it took 9 hours on a 1MBit line.

If you log on to connect.apple.com and try to download a file, the session password that you can use in a FTP client too shows up in the URL bar.
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Thanks loads ... just got ftp loggin to Asia.
 
Originally posted by richard5mith
Everywhere I can right click on folders, files etc and choose "archive" and I get a zip file of the selected item.
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What about resource forks? DropZip used to transparently wrap the file using in macbinary format, I think, so it preserve the resources.
 
Just wondering...I am still using OS 9 since my computer doesn't run OS X very well at all (perhaps it's because I got OS X right when it came out at 10.0?). One thing that annoys me is having all my programs visible when I just want to see one. Currently I am using Action Utilities GoMac! as a third party hack to "hide all other applications upon switch". When I went to OS X, I noticed I couldn't find any way of doing the same thing or to get a hack to do the same thing. Is there any way to just view the current application you are in between switching or a third party application that does this well without any intrusive habits? It's just annoying having 3 applications open and having to see a clutter of inactive windows when all I want to work on at a time is one individual program. I want to use OS X so bad and hope to when I get a new 15" AlBook (when it FINALLY comes out), but this one issue is still nagging me a bit.
 
Powerbook G5;
Goto the Applications menu (just right of the Apple menu), and choose "Hide [application]" or "Hide Others". There are also a number of corresponding/relavent shortcuts, however for these may I ask you post this in the software forum so this thread doesn't shoot off-topic?

AppleMatt
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
Just wondering...I am still using OS 9 since my computer doesn't run OS X very well at all (perhaps it's because I got OS X right when it came out at 10.0?). One thing that annoys me is having all my programs visible when I just want to see one. Currently I am using Action Utilities GoMac! as a third party hack to "hide all other applications upon switch". When I went to OS X, I noticed I couldn't find any way of doing the same thing or to get a hack to do the same thing. Is there any way to just view the current application you are in between switching or a third party application that does this well without any intrusive habits? It's just annoying having 3 applications open and having to see a clutter of inactive windows when all I want to work on at a time is one individual program. I want to use OS X so bad and hope to when I get a new 15" AlBook (when it FINALLY comes out), but this one issue is still nagging me a bit.
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OS X has always done this, just hold down option+command when you click the icon in the dock and all other windows will hide apart from ones belonging to that one.
 
Sorry, just figured this may be more on topic as an added feature, similar to window shade and such. I haven't had much time to play with OS X since it came out, so I can't check easily to see if it is there. The keyboard shortcuts never worked for me, perhaps it's a bug with the software I have, but the only way it will hide anything is if I actually use the program to auto hide after switch. Thanks for the info, though.
 
Re: Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by AppleMatt
It's window shade. Although I like Exposé, it's not actually 'better' than window shade, it's different.
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Windowshade is such a simple but powerful concept and thus far the two potential replacements for it (minimizing to dock and Exposé) are no replacements at all. The great thing about Windowshade is that it allows you to hide a window without dismissing it. It was extremely effective for looking briefly behind the front window. Click once... window gone. Click again.. window back. Quick and effective. Exposé and minimizing require too much mousing around and clicking to be effective replacements. I just wish Apple would drop this apparent snobbishness toward all things OS 9.
 
Too much mouseing around ???? one click and the windows are moved out of the way ... I'm not sure how you have yours set but on 7A202 works fine for me

Tho I was testing out Opengl performance in Q3 and was quite please BUT... if you have expose bound to mouse buttons it starts to mess up Q3 binds....


And since I uhhh sourced this for testing from the net .. can anyone that has ADC suggest that you can have excluded Apps so that binds dont interfere ...
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by inkswamp
Windowshade is such a simple but powerful concept and thus far the two potential replacements for it (minimizing to dock and Exposé) are no replacements at all. The great thing about Windowshade is that it allows you to hide a window without dismissing it. It was extremely effective for looking briefly behind the front window. Click once... window gone. Click again.. window back. Quick and effective. Exposé and minimizing require too much mousing around and clicking to be effective replacements. I just wish Apple would drop this apparent snobbishness toward all things OS 9.
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Couldn't have said it better myself!
 
Windowshade is such a simple but powerful concept and thus far the two potential replacements for it (minimizing to dock and Exposé) are no replacements at all. The great thing about Windowshade is that it allows you to hide a window without dismissing it. It was extremely effective for looking briefly behind the front window. Click once... window gone. Click again.. window back. Quick and effective. Exposé and minimizing require too much mousing around and clicking to be effective replacements. I just wish Apple would drop this apparent snobbishness toward all things OS 9.
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Windowshade wouldn't "mesh" well with the rest of aqua and exposé already provides a more elegant solution. Too many windows? Hold down whatever key/mouse button and find what you're looking for. With 10+ windows, shading/unshading becomes extremely annoying and just having a titlebar dangling in thin air spoils the "smoothness" of aqua. There's not really anything I can think of that OS 9 does better than OS X anymore (at least vs Panther). At one stage, I used to think launch speeds were always going to be faster in OS 9 but this is no longer the case. All factors considered, this is an amazing feat by Apple
 
Re: Re: Re: Download Problems?

Originally posted by daveL
The download site banner says to use ftp rather than a browser, but I'll be damned if I can get logged in. Can anyone tell me what they want for user name and password? I've tried my ADC login and my ADC "person number" and ADC password, but neither worked. Maybe it's just the server load?

Thanks in advance.
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I've messed around with this before. The ftp login is your person number and the password seems to be a time hash of your password or some kind of session id.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by inkswamp
Windowshade is such a simple but powerful concept...
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Why don't people just use Virtual Desktop from CodeTek to hide/unhide windows? Built in hotkeys mean no mousing at all. I don't know how anyone can use OS X (especially on a 12" iBook) without it. Best $20 I've spent on OS X software (I got in during the beta program, but I'd still pay $30 for it)

-p
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by inkswamp
The great thing about Windowshade is that it allows you to hide a window without dismissing it. I just wish Apple would drop this apparent snobbishness toward all things OS 9.
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I don't see it as snobbishness towards OS 9. They're just trying to do things better than they did before.

Granted, I've never used Windowshade on OS 9 (in fact, I've never used OS 9 -- or any earlier Mac OS) before, but I've used similar functional act-alikes on X-Windows and Mac OS X. I hate that "feature".

As for hiding a window without dismissing it, I used to make generous use of the hide (Cmd-H) command. Once hidden, clicking on the dock or a simple Cmd-Tab would bring back the hidden window. I still do that now ocassionally, but I make more and more use out of Expose every day.
 
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: I'd like to see more feautures added

Originally posted by psxndc
Why don't people just use Virtual Desktop from CodeTek to hide/unhide windows? Built in hotkeys mean no mousing at all. I don't know how anyone can use OS X (especially on a 12" iBook) without it. Best $20 I've spent on OS X software (I got in during the beta program, but I'd still pay $30 for it)

-p
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It is clever but it turned my system flaky. If such a "hack" was part of OSX then Im sure it would work fine, but exposé looks such a killer feature. From having us frantically minimalising open windows or clicking the dock to see what is going on on the desktop, at a stroke Apple has substituted what in Windows is the useful but utilitarian bottom menu bar for a very informative Mac GUI spectacular .
 
FTP to ADC site for Panther Download

When you try to download Panther from the 'Download What's New' area of the ADC site, when you click on the 'DOWNLOAD' button you will notice that the http bar at the top of the screen brings up a something like:

ftp://(A)?????????:(B)???????@???????.apple.com.au/Mac_OS_X/Mac_OS_X_10.3_Panther_????/???????????????????

I selected ASIA (apple.com.au) out of a whim it's the same for the other servers.

(As I've signed the NDA I have had to ??? out the username/password and server and remove the file location sorry. If your an ADC member all of this information will be shown in the http address bar however)

What you then need to do is take a copy of this and copy it into text editor.

Start terminal and start an ftp session ie:

ftp ???????.apple.com.uk

When username is requested enter in
(A)?????????
When password is requested then enter
(B)???????
You will then be in to the site:
use
'cd Mac_OS_X/Mac_OS_X_10.3_Panther_????/'

which takes u to the Panther directory.
use the command
'bin' - to set the download type to binary
'prompt' - so that the ftp client does not ask for responses
'mget *' - will download all files in the directory. Please note there are lots of file.

Then it's just waiting the 10 hours or so at 1kb/s for the download's....

Hope this helps.

A :)

.:) :)
 
minimise-maximise

I don't know about anyone else but I would like to see the stupid green button do something useful like a full maximise (see windows).

And why not stick the window buttons on the right (oh yes I know, we are supposed to be (think) different to the herd). Well, it would make life a whole lot easier for windows users to feel at home without compromising any of the Mac look and feel.

Am I alone in wanting this simple concession to windows?

btw-please don't bother venting platform bias hangups to discuss this thread. It's not rocket science.
 
That's a good point, they've removed "zoom window" from Jaguar in Panther, which I found very useful.

My Windows friend said he wouldn't like scrolling and then having to move his mouse all the way over to the other side of the window to close it. I don't know if he was just making excuses though.

Any new info on this seed?

AppleMatt
 
Re: Metal Finder

Originally posted by cyberfunk
What I want to know is,

A) is there a way to get rid of those beastly metallic finder windows that take up so much space ?
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Well, one person says you can press the "Old Finder Mode" button. Also, if you just want to get rid of the metal look, Metallifizer (free from unsanity.com) can do that, but only to Cocoa apps, and I don't know if the Finder is Cocoa.
 
Originally posted by Powerbook G5
When I went to OS X, I noticed I couldn't find any way of doing the same thing or to get a hack to do the same thing.
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I don't know about 10.0/10.1, but most apps in 10.2 let you choose Application Menu>Hide Others (or, in some, Option+Command+H.)
BTW, 10.1 is apparently quite a bit faster than 10.0, and especially if your machine supports Quartz Extreme, 10.2 is even faster.
 
Re: Re: Metal Finder

Originally posted by ryaxnb
...and I don't know if the Finder is Cocoa.
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Nope, Finder is not cocoa but it do use .Nib based interface now.

.Nib based interface is a "cocoa" interface. It will behave in the same way as most cocoa app does.
 
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