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And three times more expensive currently due to scalpers, miners, chip shortage. I’m desperately waiting for a 30 series card. Since they first launched. I can get one 3x the cost on eBay, but not going to.

And really? A Surface Pro is better at gaming than ANY MAC?
 
neither the M-series nor AMD GPUs are going to be able to compete with any Nvidia board priced at >$1000

Today with only the super lowend of the M-series released, true.
In a week (or so) with highend mobile versions of the M-series against >300W desktop GPUs, still true.
Once you stop comparing Apples against Watermelons, who knows.
 
Totally fair criticism. Gaming sucks on the Mac but not because of the hardware. It wicks because the titles aren’t native. Virtual machines and egpu helped a lot, at least with older titles, but that ends with the m1.
And no, iPad titles don’t cut it.
Unless Apple releases full Rosetta support for hypervisors, Mac gaming is essentially dead.
 
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This is more a comparison between Windows and macOS. You could easily boot that 16” MacBook Pro into Windows if you wanted. It even has Intel silicon. So if the other system is faster, it isn’t Intel that makes it better, is it.

Now I will agree that Mac doesn’t have the plethora of titles that Windows does when it comes to gaming, but I can live with that. I am curious to see how things change as iOS and macOS titles become more compatible on M1 series chips, but I didn’t buy the Mac for gaming.

The heavier and bulkier Windows PC will also make a better doorstop, but that wouldn’t motivate me to buy one.
I actually don’t terribly mind Intel processors. It was simply that they couldn’t deliver on time over and over that got them out of the good graces of Apple. I like macOS better than Windows. I like the Mac App Store. I like not having to clean out the registry ever. Show me an Intel processor that solves those kinds of problems.
 
PC is the only real place to play games. I don't know why anyone would buy a Mac for gaming. maybe some casual games if they get bored but you don't buy a Mac if you want to play games seriously.

Frankly this whole gaming attitude is getting quite old. What, exactly do you mean by “gaming seriously”? I play hundreds, thousands of hours on games that run perfectly fine on the Mac - terraria, Factorio, Stardew Valley. Minecraft. Blizzard titles.

There is more to gaming than Cyberpunk at 8k resolution!!!!!
 
I do wonder if AAA game companies (Ubisoft, EA, etc.) are keeping their eye on the M-series for the future. It takes years to develop the kinds of games they make, it’s not as though they could suddenly port their previous games (i.e. the ones currently being played) to these systems, but Mac sales are relatively (key term: relatively) skyrocketing, and word gets around quick when disruptive technology is at play. We’ve seen what Apple’s offering for the average consumer and it’s already mindblowing. We can only imagine M1X, M2, etc. will have to offer.

For now, Windows PCs are for gaming and Macs just aren’t. Always has been the case, point-blank. (I still wonder with such feverishness how the path might’ve changed if Halo had ended up on Mac.) That being said, my brother has had a custom-built computer for gaming for 10+ years but he f—ing hates Windows and cherishes the MBP he got for college. Macs offer a better UX; Windows offers support for far more software on the on the simple supply-and-demand principle.

Oh, forgot to say: this chart that they offered up is just sad and insulting to statisticians.
 
So then why do your integrated graphics suck ass Intel? Haven’t you had several decades longer than Apple to make chips better?
 
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PC's are pretty much better at EVERYTHING!
Better at producing noise , better at producing heat and better at producing salt for their fanatics as they cry abut losing the performance crown to a lifestyle company , reality is setting in that in every product segment Mac will compete in with AS from now on they will lose the power/perfromance crown , thin and light is gone , next are the workhorse laptops , the amount of PCMR folks coming over to the Mac forums to try and "pick a fight" is funny , the fact that Intel are doing the same is sad though , once , sure have at it , but to consistently put misleading commercials is terrible practice.

Now that PC fanatics are starting to lose the HW wars , we are left with the SW wars , which is absurd to think that Intel selling point is not being the best CPU , is having the "best" SW running on its monopoly x86 license , ppl should be happy that we finally have competition to a 3 decade duopoly of personal computers , but cant have it all I guess.
 
I tried gaming on a MacBook - the mouse has acceleration that cannot be natively turned off and I had to find third party workarounds to turn it off (which became outdated as MacOS was updated, I had to find 3 different programs to disable the acceleration). Definitely not a good experience.
 
With Nvidia owning ARM, Microsoft working on better ARM support for Windows, Google mostly using ARM for Chromebook and Apple obviously transitioning away from Intel they are really getting scared. After Microsoft makes a good ARM product, is Intel going to start talking about how Linux is better than Windows?
 
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Frankly this whole gaming attitude is getting quite old. What, exactly do you mean by “gaming seriously”? I play hundreds, thousands of hours on games that run perfectly fine on the Mac - terraria, Factorio, Stardew Valley. Minecraft. Blizzard titles.

There is more to gaming than Cyberpunk at 8k resolution!!!!!
Hey, a fellow-by-proxy Factorio player! I can just watch my brother play that while we’ve got some debate or something on in the background and it’s a great time. There really is a fair library of good games on the Mac, people are just all about focusing on AAA games/whatever has the most players (usually those go hand-in-hand, with notable exceptions).
 
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While what Intel claims here makes sense, it wouldn't be as funny if AMD said it. But then again, Intel would be hesitant to compare themselves to AMD.

In the end, this kind of move is really not looking for good for Intel - Apple IS still Intel's customer. Even Tim Cook said there would be new Intel based Macs coming this year (based on last year's October event, I reckon?). What kind of corporation slaps/attacks their client like this? It seems like a bizarre move just because they announced transition to move away from Intel... what a shame.
 
I can envision quite an attractive platform for game devs who want to target devices with "M1 or faster" as a requirement. In a few years this might be a huge market to develop for if you look at Macs and iOS devices.
iOS devices, yes. macOS only as an easy “port” from the iOS version. I’m sure developers are looking at the recent trial, seeing how much money Fortnite was making on iOS and are wondering of the 20 million investment in their “LootBox Presenter” game for macOS would really make that, plus more, back.
 
It is true that Macs have never been computers for "gamer" people.

However, there have always been powerful versions, with "decent" graphics for satisfactory gaming.

I like to play more on console (Xbox), but if there is a game that I love to play on computer, it's The Sims. A game that seems to be very "basic", but it is really a game that renders 360 in "real time" different textures, temperature, schedules and characters. I have everything on my 2013 iMac and honestly, it goes very very well.

I also find a little "unfair" the comparison of the M1 (entry level within the mac line), with processors that supposedly will compete with the M1X or whatever it's called. We'll see when the latter comes out, how it behaves with demanding games.
 
I think the only valid point is that in 2021, a $700 upgrade price for the Radeon Pro 5600M is probably not a great deal even with HBM2.
 
not just that. at the prices Apple wants for a Mac it's not gonna appeal to a lot of people and if Apple ever wanted to get into gaming seriously on Mac they'd need to start selling a lot more Macs if they want to convince studios to make games for them.
Apple and I couldn’t careless about blowing things up in my a virtual world , more rather we prefer the creation of things music, art illustrations design and beautiful images.
It not as if games have suddenly appeared as a genre is it ?
 
Meanwhile, the M1's GPU competitor is Intel integrated graphics, only the M1 GPU is 4 times better. So if I were Intel, I would shut up.
If this were just a chip vs chip comparison, you would be correct,. However, since almost every Intel system has slots for an add on video card that only the $6K Mac Pro does, the correct product comparison would be say M1 iMac vs $1299 Alienware with an add on video card.

Sure the Mac will have a better screen (for everything but gaming) and an beautiful AIO factor, gaming performance wise, it's not even close
 
I think Apple lost the gaming war when they could not get the old pippin Bandai off the ground and Microsoft entered the gaming platform market. I love my MacBook Pro 16 with a razer EGPU and a 3080 card but the first day launch of the new Xbox series X is a amazing gaming platform system. And with game pass it is even better. And I use my Samsung odyssey 32 240hz monitor with both systems and it is super fun to have access to both.

I will still use a Mac for home business use but, I think the gaming war is now lost and if you like iPad games you will be ok, but that will be the most you will see.
 
How many people can afford to spend $1500-$2000 on a Mac to look pretty and do what their phone does, than another $1500 - $2000 for a gaming system that can do everything that beautiful iMac can?
Thing is, if you look at the top 5 games on PC, it’s likely to mostly include titles that run just fine at 1080p, like GTA and Minecraft. Multi-thousand dollar gaming is a very, very small niche. I’ll check the top 10 and top 20 lists, but I’d imagine that the current Mac hardware is more than capable of handling those at a consumer level of fidelity. The problem always has been and will be the software. This is likely even more true now as Apple moves to M1 which few developers have experience with optimizing for. The only way this will change will be if Apple can somehow make it easy to port Windows DirectX based games to Apple Silicon GPU. If they make it dead easy, some larger developers may bite (especially if that game can also run on the iPad).
 
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Intel is in full damage control ;)
In any case, if you want games Windows or Xbox/Playstation is where it's at, I don't play games on my Mac, that's for productivity
 
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