I mean.. they didnt lie ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ if I wanted a gaming computer I’d never consider a Macintosh.
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PCs Offer 'Better Gaming Experience Than 100% of Mac Laptops,' Intel Claims in Ongoing Anti-Apple Campaign
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Most e-sport games or even some AAA title run just fine on laptops with dedicated GPUs. What do you mean by "play games seriously"? There are regular and casual gamers. In both cases, a laptop can server you just fine if you connect external monitor, keyboard and mouse.
They don’t have to appeal to a lot of people. They ONLY have to appeal to a number enough to make it profitable to produce them. Currently, that’s around 20 million a year with roughly half of those having never bought a Mac before.
It's a bit sad that Intel cannot come up with any arguments in its favor that have anything to do whatsoever with the quality of Intel chips.
THIS is very interesting. Because Intel screwed up initially by not working with Apple on the chip for the iPod which was parlayed into the iPhone which gave Apple the skills to finally produce the M1. I would have thought that Intel would be still gunning for a portion of that foundry bizz, but maybe they are just crapouttaluck!
This may go down as the OTHER bad decision they made
"The reports of my death have been greatly exaggerated". --Mark Twain
While intel has to get it's stuff together, the pc industry rebounded during covid.
Comparing a newer Intel processor to an older one? Ah, yes, therefore Apple Silicon is bad.
If you never played on a MacBook Pro 16 with a razer EGPU box and a nvidia 3080 card you don’t know what you are missing. It is the most unbelievable gaming experience that I have ever played on. I will miss the AAA gaming experience once bootcamp is gone. Using a Samsung odyssey 32in gaming monitor at 240hz it takes your breath away. Will have to use a gaming PC or use a XBOX series X for my gaming platform. Such is life in Mac-Land.
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Of course that’s why I use Windows PCs and consoles for gaming over Macs and mobiles....until the day Parralels VM, optimized Arm based Windows and powerful enough M2X Macs/MacBook Pros can run AAA games satisfactorily.
You bring up Nvidia as an example: Interesting, since Apple don't provide machines with Nvidia GPUs... :-\ so that's a *really*, *really* bad example.
Windows has always had a larger user base than Macs.. a lot of it is down to the price of a PC vs Mac.
Sure, you may not believe it, but it's reality that:
(1) producing games on the Mac is very risky, because Apple have ignored the gaming space for so long, and the relatively small user base vs Consoles and PCs. With no OpenGL support, having to use Metal is more effort and is expensive.
(2) PCs for gaming are cheaper and offer better value for money than Macs for gaming, due to in part of poor GPUs
(3) developers will go where the consumer base is, and that's PC.
Sure, in theory, Mac OS could be qual to gaming performance than Windows... but that's just a "what if".
Apple are by in-large responsible for the sad state of gaming on the Macs.
There was nothing stopping Apple from offering incentives for developers to provide games for Macs, like you suggest with Intel and others.
Don't go blaming others for what is essentially Apple's dis-interest in Mac gaming.
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The fewer Macs on the market, the better. That's all we need is for the Mac platform to have all the viruses and malware PC has. I hope PC keeps a stranglehold on 95% of the market forever.
I played a little Elder Scrolls Online years ago, and for curiosity's sake I installed it on my wife's 2019 MBA to see how it ran. It was playable on the lowest settings but still pretty rough. Supposedly the M1 plays it really well even though it's not native, so I'm looking forward to trying it myself when I buy whatever MBP Apple releases next. Obviously none of this hardware is gonna appease a hard core gamer, but it's clearly worlds better than any of the integrated graphics stuff we had before.
THIS is very interesting. Because Intel screwed up initially by not working with Apple on the chip for the iPod which was parlayed into the iPhone which gave Apple the skills to finally produce the M1. I would have thought that Intel would be still gunning for a portion of that foundry bizz, but maybe they are just crapouttaluck!
This may go down as the OTHER bad decision they made
Could also be that Intel realizes they won’t get Apple business because just as it’s never smart to irritate the person who’s helping you, it’s the kiss of death to irritate a customer you’d like to score replacement business with. So why would Intel do this unless they realize they are fully out at Apple and are trying to prevent other customers from verticalizing chip design and resourcing.
This is probably what Intel’s foundry ambitions are about, stemming the outflow of revenue by at least getting the fab business for other’s designs.
Ultimately, Intel seems to be creeping inexorably closer to its “terminal Motorola” phase.
I see a lot of things wrong here. A few people touched on the key points but I’d like to pull all of this together….
While announcing its latest chips yesterday, Intel launched another aggressive public attack on Mac devices, focusing on the experience of gaming (via PC Gamer).
Intel yesterday announced two new 11th Generation H-series laptop processors, featuring clock speeds up to 5GHz, Intel Wi-Fi 6/6E, and 1080p gameplay on popular titles, in high-volume, thin designs. Following the announcement, the company took the opportunity to launch another broadside against Apple.
In a press call with Intel's chief performance strategist Ryan Shrout about the new chips, Intel outlined an argument claiming that it is the supposedly poor gaming experience on Mac devices that makes Intel-based Windows devices superior. Intel derided Apple's M1 chip and boasted that most popular video games do not run on macOS.
The company highlighted a poor gaming experience on the Mac when using an emulator or virtual machine, showing a video of the game "Valheim" running poorly in Parallels on a Mac.
Intel further evidenced its claims with a chart showing an Intel-based 16-inch MacBook Pro, using a Core i9 9980HK processor with a AMD Radeon Pro 5600M, compared to a PC with a Core i5 11400H processor with a GeForce RTX 3060. The Intel-branded PC did better in each of the company's selected tests. This led to the claim that Intel-based PCs offer a "better gaming experience than 100% of Mac laptops."
The company then argued that there is a significant overlap between creators and gamers, suggesting that a large proportion of the Mac user base is not sufficiently accommodated for due to limited gaming options on their system.
Intel now appears to be making gaming a key buttress in its argument to persuade customers that its chips in Windows machines present a much better option for consumers than Macs with Apple silicon.
PC Gamer's Alan Dexter asked Shrout during the call if Intel was "burning its bridges with Apple." Shrout responded that "Apple has been very public about moving to its own silicon" and that "it is now a competitor," justifying the company's aggressive marketing campaign.
Since the debut of Apple's M1 chip, Intel has launched an aggressive marketing campaign to disparage Apple's custom silicon and commend its own processors, including highly selective benchmarks, a range of video ads, and a heavily biased website.
Article Link: PCs Offer 'Better Gaming Experience Than 100% of Mac Laptops,' Intel Claims in Ongoing Anti-Apple Campaign
First and foremost, Apple has never been focused on gaming. If it happens to work out that a few games get published cross platform, hey that’s great. But in all things hardware and software— Apple prioritizes esthetics and user experience. A gamer will find happiness elsewhere and a gamer already knows that.
Next point— Intel wins no points comparing their newest processor to their own processor from 2 years ago. Just like Tim Cook’s cheeky smile, hands pressed together: “This is our best MacBook ever!”Seriously— who’s going to walk on stage with a keynote saying “sorry folks, turns out last year we were doing it better”?
Point 3– video cards. I’d like to put this in terms a non-tech would understand. Let’s (loosely) compare a car to a computer; a car’s engine to the Intel processor. Let’s say nvidia and AMD are premium sound systems for cars. Intel coming forward with wonderful graphics specs— just as if Ford were to say “ Fusion is better than Tesla’s model 3. just have a listen to that premium Infinity sound system”
Not only is Intel (again) comparing this year’s runner up video card to a card that released several years ago— but it isn’t even their graphics card! Putting an M1 against their own integrated graphics offerings would be more in line with a level’d benchmark but they’re never going to do that. Everybody reading this will know why that is. (Spoiler alert— let’s just say Delco makes a better radio)
Final point— (to anyone who’s gotten this far and is still reading, thanks I feel special) Intel is talking out of both sides of their mouth. Knocking the product and fabulous marketing campaigns might look good on TV and tabloids but they want a piece of that action… they want to assemble Apple processors, they want their engineers to understand it, get to know it, wine and dine with it, and take it to bed with them because they want to cop—er be inspired by its design. Find anything that they could build another way as to skate around patent infringement, so that next quarter they can pull a Samsung…
“Notch? Ha, who needs a notch?! Let’s market against funny looking notch phones.
The following quarter:
“Hey look we have a notch too! We even [almost] have Face ID!”
I think this is well known. Good for me that I couldn’t care less about gaming. I’d rather read a good book or watch TV.
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Had Apple done the right thing (dropping AMD instead of Nvidia), it would be the opposite. But they had to drop the best GPU brand. And it's not only gaming: Even for GPGPU or virtual reality, neither the M-series nor AMD GPUs are going to be able to compete with any Nvidia board priced at >$1000
