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1k$ is a great gaming rig ? maybe in the pre mining world , a 1080Ti is 1000+$ in today market.
Yep. I am stuck with an old graphics card. Been looking every single day for an RTX 30 series but no luck since launch day. Oh well. I just got in the Trails in the Sky series so I have 7 official translated games to play - all RPGs with 50+ hours each so I am good for a while. Any old computer can run the older Trails games, early ones were Direct X 8 with a Direct X 9 ported version so VERY old.
 
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Cannot agree less. Gaming on Mac is fundamentally a hardware issue, and has always been that way. The vast majority of Macs sold during the last decades have Intel iGPU which is useless except for vary very light gaming and 10-years old titles. Even in the high-end popular Macs for 2500$+, Apple never included top tier dedicated GPU from Nvidia but instead relied on AMD which, except for the last generation, has always lacked behind by a wide margin. As a developer, if you know that probably 98% of Mac users have integrated GPU from Intel, there is no financial reasoning to develop a title for Mac, unless your game uses very little resources, in which case, it is better to optimize your game for mobile devices rather than investing your time porting the game into MacOS. Having the external GPU compatibility with the Intel Macs and Thunderbolt 3 was a move in the right direction, but with Apple Silicon, this is now gone (at least for now), so unless Apple has some monstrous chip in its lab with 32 or 64-core GPU, that is used in sub-2000$ Mac machines, gaming on Mac will continue to be poor. Gamers dont care about team blue vs team red, they care about raw performance, ultra setting, high resolution and high frame rates. The vast majority of gamers are young adults or kids and have limited budget so they would just buy the best GPU for the money they have. The only way Mac gaming could become relevant, is if Apple has a silicon that can deliver RTX 3060 performance in the 1,500$ price range which is already double the average that people spent on a new laptop.
Nope, 100% false. I used to game on my 2010 Mac Pro. Just booting into Windows gave me a 50+ FPS boost. Not just a hardware issue. And I put in a standard PC graphics card back when the GTX 680 were new or one generation old. Officially supported by Apple/NVIDIA and it worked in both macOS and Bootcamp just fine.
 
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That's mainly because of the Engine Developers and also every game developers.
As a programmer I try to make my software available to both Mac and Windows Machines, it's not so hard since I only work with Web and Business Class Apps.

But, taking some venture in Game Developer I noticed a lot of games available to iOS with don't support macOS or tvOS already (For tvOS, seriously, apple allow you to support only console controllers if you want, you are not stuck with the Siri Remote). And I notice the game engines are not optimized to macOS... now with the Apple Silicon, they are all basically optimized .-. it's just, export your project to Xcode (if you are a Apple developer you know basically every engine exports to Xcode to be compiled) and create versions for iOS, macOS and tvOS... now it's just simple like that.

There's Universal 2 binaries and, we already passed by this fase before with the PPC Macs, just drop intel's support all over and run full native on M1... you can't do a lot with an intel Mac anyways....
 
Yep. I am stuck with an old graphics card. Been looking every single day for an RTX 30 series but no luck since launch day. Oh well. I just got in the Trails in the Sky series so I have 7 official translated games to play - all RPGs with 50+ hours each so I am good for a while. Any old computer can run the older Trails games, early ones were Direct X 8 with a Direct X 9 ported version so VERY old.
I am not sure where you are but in the DMV area Microcenter has had a steady supply of 30-Series cards this whole time.
 
Is Intel scared of the M1X?

Bet intel saw some engineering samples of the M1X and fainted and then rushed to make this ad.

Who buys a Mac for gaming? why make this ad otherwise?
Why would Intel be scared of the Apple M chips? Apple doesn’t sell them to other manufacturers and the total sales of Macs compared to the total sales of PCs is still niche. I can see them being concerned about ARM in general but not a chip that isn’t sold to other companies.
 
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Breaking News: according to Intel, Windows gaming machines are way better than Macs at gaming. Wow that is news Ted, Exactly how many Macs have been bought for gaming. umm, none, ever Fred, Gamers don't buy Macs. So who is going to care about this ad then, Ted. Fred: no one
 
Why would Intel be scared of the Apple M chips? Apple doesn’t sell them to other manufacturers and the total sales of Macs compared to the total sales of PCs is still niche. I can see them being concerned about ARM in general but not a chip that isn’t sold to other companies.
This whole line of crap coming out of the mouth of Intel is baffling. 1) Gamers don't buy Macs, 2) No one gives a s$%t
 
Windows DOES have a blessing but also a severe curse. I have said in a few posts I just got in to Trails games. They are ~2004 titles. Old Direct X 8 games with Direct X 9 ported versions. It runs perfectly fine on my latest Windows 10 system. All latest components as of 2020 except for my GTX 1080 :(.

Macs typically don't allow you to run software 16+ years old like Windows. This is both good and bad. Causes a LOT of bloat in Windows, but I did not need to get a computer from 2004 to play these games.
 
Intel must be really stupid. Why are they even afraid of Apple Silicon? Intel will continue to make CPUs for 80% of the PC users or so. Why are they so afraid?

They seem to be more worried about AS than AMD which is their real competitor. Something tells me they know something we don't? Maybe Intel afraid of Microsoft to make the ARM jump.
 
Intel must be really stupid. Why are they even afraid of Apple Silicon? Intel will continue to make CPUs for 80% of the PC users or so. Why are they so afraid?

They seem to be more worried about AS than AMD which is their real competitor. Something tells me they know something we don't? Maybe Intel afraid of Microsoft to make the ARM jump.
They are not worried only with the M1... But with the whole industry following Apple in the next years..
Look at Nvidia and AMD, they are both competitors in Intels eyes, and both are Working on ARM Based CPU/GPU/APU....
And there's Windows on ARM with was more relevant now With M1 Macs and Raspberry Pi 4s Running the sistema pretty well..
 
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Pointless; every GPU in every mac is outdated trash that cant handle a steady framerate especially now that basically every mac comes with a high resolution display. Im not going to mention the Mac Pros because they're a major rip-off.
The M1 is basically a competitor to the GTX 1050 card, which is #2 or #3 on the Steam hardware survey. A LOT of people do not have UBER GREAT $1,000 GPUs like people on this forum suggest. And a great deal of people would just get a console anyway.
 
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Great marketing. A laptop with an Intel i5 is better than a MacBook with an Intel i9. The average non gamer doesn’t realise the GPU is the performance booster, but I ask myself, have Intel really thought this through? It makes their i9 look bad.

I could understand slagging off the M1 vs an Intel chip, but their own chip against another supposedly better chip (that they make).

:)
 
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LOL, wrong. The entire gaming industry (PC, mobile, console, etc) is worth about 300 billion dollars a year.


PC industry generates about 35 billion dollars a year. That's without Apple's presence in the market.

You need to get informed.
With Cloud Gaming on the corner, PC Gaming is going to get VERY NICHE. Most of the general public gets consoles, not gaming PCs.

PC has actually been an afterthought for quite a while. Due to previous consoles running PPC or Cell processors, it was very difficult to get a PC port and a GOOD PC port. Now we are starting to see console games come to PC more - Horizon Zero Dawn, Halo Master Chief Collection (FINALLY), ALL Microsoft Studios now.
 
Never mind this Intel ads...the Chomebook ads running on YouTube at this moment has to be the absolutely worst in the history of ads.
 
There was a report in 2020 that 48% of PC users worldwide play games, is that really a niche marketplace? One could say the same about how many people do almost anything popular worldwide. :D
From DFC intelligence
What is the breakdown of those stats? Farmville on Facebook (if Facebook still has gaming via its website) is still "gaming" :)

Oh and Minecraft. Any computer of any kind can play that - even Mac and Linux. I am sure that is a HUGE chunk of that 48%
 
Well, duh...Windows is a much larger market for games, which = fewer releases for Mac AND Mac releases typically have less optimization because publishers have less financial reason to devote resources to doing it. Also, the 5600M in the MBP is a year older than the RTX 3060 in the Windows laptop. That has an effect as well.
Part of the issue is that apple closed the direct X **** that made it easier to port over to mac

you had devs come up and say after that it was pointless to dev for max because it required time and effort that they couldn’t make back on the macs now.
Where as before they could port it over easily and did so and made money.

There was a move made by apple that caused the exodus of game devs and it’s likely to continue.
 
Windows DOES have a blessing but also a severe curse. I have said in a few posts I just got in to Trails games. They are ~2004 titles. Old Direct X 8 games with Direct X 9 ported versions. It runs perfectly fine on my latest Windows 10 system. All latest components as of 2020 except for my GTX 1080 :(.

Macs typically don't allow you to run software 16+ years old like Windows. This is both good and bad. Causes a LOT of bloat in Windows, but I did not need to get a computer from 2004 to play these games.
Not being a gamer at all, who would really want to play an obsolete game? To me that is like waxing nostalgic for a floppy drive and dial up modem. But again the last video game I played was Space invaders, I realized then that I had a lot of better things to do (my sock drawer is really neat). I understand that people get enthused over games, but not me.
 
I would like to see PC games running on a Mac, but I don’t know if it’s worth Apple’s time and marketing to go after what is a diminishing market. Consoles are where the market is.
 
Everyone is scared of . Everyone is wasting time/money talking smack. Just sell a better product and prove it that way.
Well Intel should answer why it doesn't support ECC on its consumer chips, AMD does, Is PCI 4 supported yet, AMD had it early. I Understand that Intel got fat dumb and happy charging everyone the Intel tax for sub-par chips. so glad AMD came along, so glad ARM is pushing the envelope. Looks like Intel is getting competitive again, and that I a good thing. But this line of ads is baffling. I have never seen any gamer every say they preferred Macs. Period. So Intel is targeting an audience of gamers who already run Windows? At least the audience completely agrees with them.
 
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