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That is like saying an orange (the fruit) is better than an apple because it has more orange color in it.
Intel desperation is going into panic mode.
 
To be honest, the inability to run PUBG is probably the biggest weakness of the Mac platform right now for me.

But with the M1 this is not really a technical limitation any more. It's just that developers aren't putting the effort into porting their titles to Metal & Apple Silicon. It's still a relatively niche platform. Hopefully this will change over time.
Why would developers support a platform that completely refuses to as good graphics to it’s hardware? The M1 has diabolical graphics compared to almost anything.

nobody will game on a Mac until this is fixed.
 
Since WinG first appeared back around Windows 3.x, Microsoft has been courting game developers.

Apple had the same chances back then, and chose to put together a half-hearted effort during MacOS 8.5, and dropped that too soon. Then, they picked OpenGL for Mac OS X and not much else.

I think Apple realised the mistake of aligning to the "open" standards versus Microsoft's proprietary approach with DirectX which became the default on Windows. Apple have since decided to own their own graphics API in Metal, they've deprecated OpenGL and they also deprecated OpenAL. They've also worked to beef up libraries that support gaming like GameKit, SceneKit, SpriteKit and a few more.

Macs typically don't allow you to run software 16+ years old like Windows. This is both good and bad. Causes a LOT of bloat in Windows, but I did not need to get a computer from 2004 to play these games.

This has also been a challenge for Microsoft because when it first launched it's ARM based devices, the lack of backwards compatibility was unexpected and contributed to it being a failure because why would you buy the Windows computer that didn't run your Windows app? Microsoft have been working on getting the backwards compatibility to work, now with both 32-bit and 64-bit emulation support on ARM, but they're investing in making that happen and that's a cost for them to remain in the business.
 
This whole line of crap coming out of the mouth of Intel is baffling. 1) Gamers don't buy Macs, 2) No one gives a s$%t
Those commercials are just about bragging rights. Bottom line, what percentage of Intel’s sales was selling CPU and other chips to Apple specifically for the Mac?
 
Frankly this whole gaming attitude is getting quite old. What, exactly do you mean by “gaming seriously”? I play hundreds, thousands of hours on games that run perfectly fine on the Mac - terraria, Factorio, Stardew Valley. Minecraft. Blizzard titles.

There is more to gaming than Cyberpunk at 8k resolution!!!!!
I agree. Those are some awesome games. I’ve also put way too many hours into Rimworld, Oxygen Not Included, Stellaris, Hearts of Iron 4, Europa Universalis 4, Crusader Kings 2 & 3, Software Inc. and Prison Architect which can all run on very modest GPUs.

Cyberpunk was so bad that I got it refunded on Steam!

AAA games have really gone down hill. The latest batch turned out to be so meh that I’m not sure I’ll bother with whatever comes out by the end of this year. I can’t get myself to play something at 8k raytraced with 120+ fps if the gameplay is some uninspired crap. Only thing I consider a must have is the Final Fantasy 14 Endwalker expansion because the story is amazing and I love the setting plus it gives me the World of Warcraft vibe from before Blizzard turned WoW into crap.

Still, I’m into flight sims and when running a 32:9 aspect super ultrawide at 5120x1440p which is effectively the same as 4K, then you need all the power you can get and no mac is going to deliver that. I use my Apple products for surfing, media consumption and productivity. My PC is gaming only. It’s a glorified console that can play and do the things a console can’t. Also keeps my sensitive stuff separate.
 
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One thing Apple could do is to fully embrace eGPUs, but th
With Cloud Gaming on the corner, PC Gaming is going to get VERY NICHE. Most of the general public gets consoles, not gaming PCs.

PC has actually been an afterthought for quite a while. Due to previous consoles running PPC or Cell processors, it was very difficult to get a PC port and a GOOD PC port. Now we are starting to see console games come to PC more - Horizon Zero Dawn, Halo Master Chief Collection (FINALLY), ALL Microsoft Studios now.

I don't see cloud gaming making a big splash with the PC gaming crowd. And there are about as many PC gamers out in the world as there are console gamers.

PC gaming was less popular during the PS3/360 era, but that was almost ten years ago.

What is the breakdown of those stats? Farmville on Facebook (if Facebook still has gaming via its website) is still "gaming"

Oh and Minecraft. Any computer of any kind can play that - even Mac and Linux. I am sure that is a HUGE chunk of that 48%

Browser gaming is about 6 or 7% of PC gaming according to Newzoo. And Minecraft is big on consoles as well.

 
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My gaming PC just gathers dust in the corner of my study while I play Cities Skylines, 7 days to die, 2 Point Hospital , Planet Coaster , Rollercoaster Tycoon 2, Papers Please, Sim Airport and many other games on either my M1 MacBook Pro or 16" i9 MacBook Pro. Anything else gaming I just use my PS4 , I just don't want to deal with Windows on my gaming PC.

Last time I booted up my gaming PC to play a Windows only game with my mates online it somehow lost the WiFi drivers and I had to re-install them before I could even load Steam, just what I wanted, messing around looking for my driver discs when I just wanted to play. When we play online as a group we use Discord on our iPads/iPhones with AirPods because Microphones just never seem to work right for any of us on Windows, and the newer 'Settings' instead of Control Panel testes my patients to the limit, its infuriating to use.

Gaming for me is suppose to be something to relax and enjoy... that conflicts with a using Windows.
You are so damn right, There are so many times there are issues with Windows.
I need to work with that crap (Yes it still is) on a daily bases.....and it sucks big time, there's not a single day without problems.

Just a single example, why does the built in picture viewer has just one direction icon to flip a picture, only clockwise, MS....WHY oh WHY.
Bonus, another one, why is there not a single default printing dialogue window....:confused:
 
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With Cloud Gaming on the corner, PC Gaming is going to get VERY NICHE. Most of the general public gets consoles, not gaming PCs.

PC has actually been an afterthought for quite a while. Due to previous consoles running PPC or Cell processors, it was very difficult to get a PC port and a GOOD PC port. Now we are starting to see console games come to PC more - Horizon Zero Dawn, Halo Master Chief Collection (FINALLY), ALL Microsoft Studios now.
As a PC gamer, I honestly have never really cared for any of the console games or wanted any of them to make it to PC. It's all to do with the fact that console gamers are still stuck on their noobstick controllers. I play a ton of first person shooter games with a mouse, so this is where consoles really fail for me. That said, the only games I've ever been interested to come to PC are; Gran Turismo (will probably NEVER happen) and Resistance games.

And no, PC Gaming is not going to get niche... everyone's been saying that for years or decades. PC Gaming hasn't gone anywhere and never will; the hardware will always be better and thus the games will always have an edge over consoles.
 
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Not being a gamer at all, who would really want to play an obsolete game? To me that is like waxing nostalgic for a floppy drive and dial up modem. But again the last video game I played was Space invaders, I realized then that I had a lot of better things to do (my sock drawer is really neat). I understand that people get enthused over games, but not me.
You pretty much answered your own question when you said "Not being a gamer at all". If you’ve been gaming long enough, you’ll start to see a pattern. New doesn’t mean better… just prettier and ever so slightly different (not always for the better). You’ll also notice another pattern. That the latest greatest AAA titles are either over market and over hyped unfinished bug infested disasters or (sometimes both) designed specifically to milk you for the most money they can get away with. You know something is up before you even buy the damn thing when the game advertizes that you can skip content by buying the deluxe edition!
 
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... Apple, please rebuttal at WWDC. I know this isn't your market *yet* but it could be in the future if you would just dump some of those really big money bags you have on it.
 
I have a PC for gaming too. It has a Ryzen 9 in it. 🤷‍♂️
haha. Me too. And an NVIDIA graphics card. That and my ipad pro cover every eventuality I have.

I do have a $2K X1 Carbon provided by work. I wanted to enjoy it but it seems to be not as good at anything. It also has a slow battery drain so every time I pick it up it is dead.
 
... Apple, please rebuttal at WWDC. I know this isn't your market *yet* but it could be in the future if you would just dump some of those really big money bags you have on it.
Right? Like why can't they give Sony tons of money for Uncharted 4 to be a macOS (iPadOS) exclusive?
 
No it doesn't. Maybe if ALL you want to play are Cyberpunk style games, yes. But there are many many MANY games that perform VERY well on macOS. I listed several. To say it "sucks" is like saying a "PS3 sucks or PS2 sucks". I still play very old games - actually prefer them to the games these days honestly.

Heck I can even play Descent via Dosbox on macOS - M1 Mac mini even and it surprised me.
Hehe better not overuse the butterfly keyboard, save the characters for something that worth arguing, e.g Epic law suit 😉. Macs incl. macOS sucks for games and always did. These games even worked better on DOS and Win95. Get a Mac of the same game release year and see how it sucked compared to any beige box of the same year. Just because today’s mac can run a 30 year old game, does not make it better, even a 50$ raspberry pi can run these.
 
'Gaming'.... when did that become a thing? Yes, I know, multi-billion dollar industry blah blah blah (and source of dismal movies). It's playing! You play games, not 'game' them. If you drive a car, you're driving, not 'car-ing'. If you bake a cake, that's baking, not 'caking'. If you bake a cake, you're a baker, not a caker. And so on. Noun as verb - it's ghastly!
I suspect that using 'gaming' is an attempt to make it seem more serious than it actually is, which is playing. People who play games are players, because they are playing.
Play (verb)
"Engage in activity for enjoyment and recreation rather than a serious or practical purpose".
"Engage in (a game or activity) for enjoyment."
"Amuse oneself by engaging in imaginative pretence."
If we stopped this gaming and gamers nonsense and used the proper word, it suddenly loses all the pseudo-gravitas and becomes what it is - playing!
In other shock news, I won't be dumping Macs so I can play at soldiers or superheroes (I gave that up when I was about 8 as I recall).

Intel, if that's the best you've got and what your business model is now based on, then you must be seriously worried. Apple silicon is only going to get better and better - that's their problem. Not what it's like now, but in 2-3 years time. Perhaps Intel will make a better Buggy Whip!
I‘m glad I’m not the only one bothered by this. I had already begun suspecting that this is a creation of my fellow Germans who are too stupid to distinguish between those words, as they have the same root in German (game = Spiel, player = Spieler).
 
The only way Intel is getting back on top is if their ads upset China enough to invade Taiwan.
 
Intel is caught in a bind. x64 fanboys prefer AMD and Apple fanboys prefer Apple. Intel need to get their act together otherwise they'll be pushed out of the market which is bad due to one fewer competitor.
 
Frankly this whole gaming attitude is getting quite old. What, exactly do you mean by “gaming seriously”? I play hundreds, thousands of hours on games that run perfectly fine on the Mac - terraria, Factorio, Stardew Valley. Minecraft. Blizzard titles.

There is more to gaming than Cyberpunk at 8k resolution!!!!!
I couldn’t agree more. Someone early on asked “who buys Macs for gaming?”

*raises hand*
 
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Why would developers support a platform that completely refuses to as good graphics to it’s hardware? The M1 has diabolical graphics compared to almost anything.

nobody will game on a Mac until this is fixed.
TRUTH!!!

The only Mac with a decent GPU is the Mac Pro, and that costs literally a fortune... not to mention, those 5000 series are already dated. Anyone that wants to do any gaming is better off building a Hackintosh and slapping in a 6800/6800 XT or 6900 XT in there and going to town.

It's amazing how much Apple disrespects gamers.
 
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literally, Apple isn't playing games with Intel. 14nm vs 5nm. 'Nuff said. WWDC is going to be incredible.
 
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