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PCs Offer 'Better Gaming Experience Than 100% of Mac Laptops,' Intel Claims in Ongoing Anti-Apple Campaign
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So, PS5 for games (for those that want games), MBP for everything else. I’m okay with that.
These days, the PS5 and Xbox Series S/X are seriously powerful machines (for their price points), and there’s zero configuration headaches to deal with. And since the hardware is exactly the same, inside the box, for millions of machines in the hands of potential customers, there’s no “least common denominator” that developers have to target - they can wring every last bit of performance out of all the hardware the console has.
The PC game market is niche. Compared to the mobile gaming market, which is rightfully where Apple channels its attention to given that it was way more iPhones in circulation compared to Macs.
People clamouring for Apple to “take PC gaming seriously” don’t seem to understand why Apple makes the choices they do. For example, their laptops used to ship with middling GPUs because these are what will give your MacBooks sustained performance over a decent period of time. Invaluable when say, editing video away from a power outlet. Rather than a more powerful GPU that basically throttles or deactivates any time the laptop isn’t plugged in to an external power source.
That's what a lot of this comes down to. The MacBook Pro (as with many Macs) was designed as a system that balances performance with power efficiency. You can get Windows PC laptops with more powerful mobile GPUs than what the MacBook Pro has. But if the goal is to get work done on battery, using the portable as a portable, then the best mobile GPU is the one that performs when you're actually mobile. Not what gives the best Crysis benchmarks.
Apple is never going to enter the desktop gaming market. It just doesn’t fit in with their design priorities (thin and light form factor is at odd with the need for greater heat dissipation to accommodate a powerful graphics card). If you want a gaming PC, by all means build one yourself. Don’t get a Mac. I don’t think Apple will lose sleep over a lost sale that wasn’t their target market to begin with. Especially when for every one person who doesn’t buy the iMac because it can’t game well, there are probably many more who will buy it precisely because of its more attractive, slimmer profile.
But the game on VMS had almost literally no limits. Someone 'won' the game, and it just restarted, at a lower level. Another person just went around on a level, for over a month. Another guy tried that, and ended up springing a teleport trap, and found himself in front of Moria, and he died. Then he spawned again, same place, and died, over and over again, until he was able to quit the game.
The BIG LESSON HERE!!
Buy an 11th GEN INTEL CPU with an AWESOME GPU Graphics card CURRENT!!
BUILD A HACKINTOSH! To blow away any current Mac hardware that exists INCLUDING APPLE ARM
Throw Big Sur on it. Maybe the last X86 macOS built!!
Because the good days of MAC will soon be over once they lockdown macOS to install software only downloaded from the APPLE App Store!!!
Buy an 11th GEN INTEL CPU with an AWESOME GPU Graphics card CURRENT!!
BUILD A HACKINTOSH! To blow away any current Mac hardware that exists INCLUDING APPLE ARM
Throw Big Sur on it. Maybe the last X86 macOS built!!
Because the good days of MAC will soon be over once they lockdown macOS to install software only downloaded from the APPLE App Store!!!
LOL, you took an example I made and turned it into something it wasn't. I don't know why you'd try to skew the facts. I don't respect lying, buddy. Do better.
Mine was when GW2 dropped the mac version. It ran awesome on the new M1 no lag at all in the highest settings but Anet just didn't want to support it anymore.
Skew what facts? I still enjoy gaming on Mac and nothing you say or do can change that? It's just not the type of gaming you wish there was.
Forget Battlefield 5. I'm anxiously awaiting Battlefield 6 due any day now but not coming to Mac.
Wow, who would have guessed that in gaming, which is a GPU-focused workload, an RTX 3060 would perform better than an RP 5600M. Really mind-blowing research there Intel. I can pretty much guarantee that if a dGPU is taken out of the equation, an M1 will beat an HD 630 or even the new HD 750 in a Core chip any day.
I am sure Intel must know that people buying a Mac don't give a monkeys as long as it can run The Sims 4 or other casual games. And and anyone playing AAA titles is going to buy AMD on the PC side since Intel have been scuffing their feet for a decade.
PUBG? Not being able to run PUBG on a Mac is your biggest weakness when it comes to the Mac??? Hopefully that is a sarcastic comment, because that game is horrible. It is so poorly written and a huge lag/bug fest.
Intel knows what's coming for WWDC.
"Apple TV with M1 chip" (just kidding, though).
"Apple TV with M1 chip" (just kidding, though).
Most games are not played on either a PC or a Mac. Smartphones, tablets and gaming consoles probably make up at least 80% of where all games are played.
Intel is a joke right now. Outside of PC gaming all games are NOT played on anything Intel. AMD is king when it comes to gaming CPU's, Xbox, Playstation etc. Most if not all PC gamers moved to AMD in the last few years.
Well, I use a 2020 iMac for gaming... but in Boot Camp so I guess that's still 'a PC'. It's very, very good though (including VR in Steam) and saves me having to have a separate rig and all the space it takes up. But if can do that and more natively on Apple Silicon, sign me up.
I think Apple may get into serious gaming, but it might start at the Apple TV side of things (ie. console competitor) and then perhaps migrate to the Mac.
It's certainly possible that they could create hardware that would blow current PC & Consoles out of the water.
Honestly, this feels like possible early death throes for intel.
I don’t see serious gamers trying to claim MacBooks as superior to other PC gaming laptops. I ran a dual-boot hackintosh/windows machine for several years and while there’s certainly less compatibility around games for the Mac, the performance was largely comparable when the games were supported (e.g., Borderlands, a couple of the Arkham games, tomb raider, etc).
Intel is like BlackBerry/RIM laughing at the first gen iPhone. They saw the absence of certain specs/features as being more important than the presence of game-changing innovations. Assumed all the business folk that swore by BB messenger and email would never abandon a physical keyboard.
While it’s certainly not guaranteed, I think Apple is on a path of rapid innovation w/ their chips. Based on what M1 has delivered, it’s not crazy to imagine Apple chips a couple generations down the road being able to meet or exceed the performance of popular gaming GPUs.
I don’t see serious gamers trying to claim MacBooks as superior to other PC gaming laptops. I ran a dual-boot hackintosh/windows machine for several years and while there’s certainly less compatibility around games for the Mac, the performance was largely comparable when the games were supported (e.g., Borderlands, a couple of the Arkham games, tomb raider, etc).
Intel is like BlackBerry/RIM laughing at the first gen iPhone. They saw the absence of certain specs/features as being more important than the presence of game-changing innovations. Assumed all the business folk that swore by BB messenger and email would never abandon a physical keyboard.
While it’s certainly not guaranteed, I think Apple is on a path of rapid innovation w/ their chips. Based on what M1 has delivered, it’s not crazy to imagine Apple chips a couple generations down the road being able to meet or exceed the performance of popular gaming GPUs.
Uh... what? I have a Hackintosh with a Gigabyte 5700 XT Gaming OC, the difference in Windows is huge. GRID Autosport @ Ultra Settings at 1440p, I average about 70-75fps while in Windows I get well over 100fps. Hell, at 4k Ultra settings, the 5700 XT averages about 103fps;
Intel is effectively a dying company and has no products in the pipeline that can compete with the Apple M1 Chip. Apple‘s M1 Chips offer impressive performance while producing less heat and consuming less power compared to Intel chips. I suspect the Apple Silicon chips will improve over time.
Ironically, as someone who has a phone and tablet, there are no IOS games that interest me. I have played 2 for more than a week and I basically use them to waste time while watching TV (yes I can admit I watch TV in front of other Apple Users).
My Mac mini with a Sonnet Puck eGPU does the job for most of the PC games I play. I would prefer better frame rates for my games (or just more consistent ones that don't stop when passing particle effects) but I want a Mac not a PC.
I would love a new colorful iMac, but based on M1 testing I have seen (across the board) the M1 isn't a step up in performance over my i3-8100 in my favorite game (still coded primarily for single core)
I prefer story games, or sandbox games like Factorio/Satisfactory/Terraria. Do you like movies? This is why I like RPGs the most - Persona, Trails, Dragon Quest. I love the stories. Its a 50-100 hour + movie and some cool battles too.
I cannot play Call of Duty, or Counter Strike. After a few days, I get bored of it since its the same thing over and over again. At least with factory/sandbox games I have my own goals I can accomplish. But Story RPGs never get boring, the story keeps advancing.
And I just discovered the series. And it is AMAZING. I am glad I did not need to buy a 2004 era computer to play it.
Everyone keeps saying that Apple is doing too many things and spreading itself too thin. I realise that this is simply an opportunity to take cheap shots at Apple for making the stuff that the individual doesn't want, while continue to focus on areas that don't matter to them. That said, I do honestly feel that console gaming would simply be another distraction for Apple in the greater scheme of things. I mean, what would the strategic value of console gaming be to Apple even? Even in a hypothetical future where Apple has released their AR glasses, people are not going to walking around on the streets while streaming Doom Eternal from their smartphones.
There's basically one chief reason why I don't think Apple will ever enter the console wars.
Their billion-strong iPhone install base.
Look at Apple Arcade and see the games inside. Most of them are designed for smartphone users to be played on smartphones. Because the iPhone continues to be their biggest and most lucrative market, it stands to reason that Apple is going to channel their efforts into making the iPhone a more attractive value proposition for users. This means, amongst many other things, selecting games that would appeal to a billion iPhone users, rather than a few million Mac users or a million Apple TV owners.
In the same vein, developers are not going to create games specifically for the Apple TV because the user base just isn't there. Even Minecraft couldn't succeed.
The iPhone is by far their more lucrative product and Apple has spent the better part of the last decade building up a formidable ecosystem around the iPhone to keep users locked in. iCloud, iMessage, Apple Watch, AirPods, Apple Card, HomePod, even the current airtags. The iPhone will in turn form the foundation for Apple's next dominant platform - wearables. The Apple TV is an accessory. The Mac remains popular, but is there really just to ensure that developers continue to create apps for iOS.
Apple isn't a very difficult company to figure out. Just ask yourself - how would doing XXX make sense for a company with 1 billion iPhone users? If you can't answer that convincingly, then it probably doesn't make sense for Apple to do it.
Yeah that is the era I am referring to. XBox 360 was a PowerPC processor and PS3 was the Cell processor. Very difficult porting to PC. Now with PS4/5 and XBox One/Series... (horrible name Microsoft), they are x86.