Isn't AMD more of a gaming thing than Intel? I have a work PC with Intel and my own PC with AMD and AMD is a lot better. Really.
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It really depends and YMMV. There is no clear winner and the performance is dependent on the particular game. The games you run might favor AMD.
Nah, game compatibility is still better with Intel cpu and nvidia graphics. If we are to believe the tech industry (whom sorta believe Intel) high end Xe is supposed to compete with the 3080 (non-ti).
Not going away but priorities are shifting, even on console unfortunately which is my preference.
Sorry, what I really meant was, my MSI with AMD doesn't kick the fans in as fast as the Intel one and it performs better.
Yeah I don't know anyone who is happy with the free to play (but with ads or in app purchases) road that we are going down for gaming. I also don't know anyone who is happy with game pricing going up 10 dollars this generation (thanks Sony).
Microsoft's Smart Delivery may help with that issue though (buy the last gen version and get the "free" upgrade to this gen visuals and features).
"Intel further evidenced its claims with a chart showing an Intel-based 16-inch MacBook Pro, using a Core i9 9980HK processor with a AMD Radeon Pro 5600M, compared to a PC with a Core i5 11400H processor with a GeForce RTX 3060. The Intel-branded PC did better in each of the company's selected tests. This led to the claim that Intel-based PCs offer a "better gaming experience than 100% of Mac laptops."
So Intel compared their chip against their older Intel chip and concluded that gaming is no good on a Mac? Did I miss something?
So Intel compared their chip against their older Intel chip and concluded that gaming is no good on a Mac? Did I miss something?
No, that's not what it's about at all. I just built a new PC and I don't plan to upgrade it at all until I need a new one.
The reason why I built a PC instead of buying a mac is that, on the PC, I could get an RTX 3080 with 30TFLOP/s of compute performance and 10GB of RAM plus raytracing, which Apple doesn't even have, and an AI chip that Apple can't compete with.
The RTX 3080 is faster than ANY GPU available for the mac. The only thing that comes close is to buy a Mac Pro and then replace the GPU with a Radeon RX 6900XT. It's over 12 times faster than the M1 graphics.
This is why gamers don't buy macs. I'm a gamer and I want a mac. I prefer the UI, I prefer the smooth experience, I prefer the applications, I like some of Apple's services, I have an iPhone and I'd love desktop calls. Lots of reasons. But I can't use it. It's too slow!
The CPU is faster, sure, but I don't care.
And I can.....Factorio, Stardew Valley, Terraria, WoW, Starcraft 2, Tomb Raider, League of Legends occasionally. I can play plenty of games on macOS and I can play them just fine. Again, not EVERYONE cares about Call of Duty or Cyberpunk.
And please, stop with the fanboys comments here. I have criticized Apple for the 2013 trash can garbage and the laptop keyboards.
still seems somewhat opinion based and no specific reference of why no partnership with NVidia.
Adobe seemed to really piss off Jobs and Apple enough to not only right a piece on their home page (Thoughts On Flash), but also mention it on All Things Digital. Yet they still partner with Adobe for their entire creative suit.
the GPU performance from NVidia chips alone is WORTH fixing that partnership over the long term, as well as going to need their chips in AI for cars.
I am SOOOOO kicking myself for not getting a 20 series card. I though "Eh 30 series is just a month or two away, I will wait". BIIIIIG mistake!
Well good for you, but the 3090 itself is over $1,000 GPU. Many people would rather buy a $500 console. Plus, consoles are a BIT easier to get than any GPU these days too.
I agree with you about the game prices. Pretty much half my Steam library are quite popular games that I got under $15 during the summer sales.
No, that's basically it. They're also saying the GeForce GPU (which neither Apple nor Intel has anything to do with) is faster than the AMD GPU (which neither Apple nor Intel has anything to do with).
Not surprising. As I have said many times, PC gaming is a niche market - lowest percentage out of the three you posted. Really an Xbox or Playstation will give general users 99% of any gaming they need. Playing games at 8k 60/120 FPS is not really a mindset a lot of people have. Personally, I am fine with just 2560x1440 at 144 FPS. I would rather play at that resolution and refresh rate than 4k or 8k.
I mean it's not looking good anyway...
Honestly, I sure hope so. NVIDIA and AMD has had a duopoly and I hope Intel can actually compete reasonably. It would certainly help the chances of getting a good GPU these days too. I would be just happy with a 3070 even.
Sony really needs to get their act together about backwards compatibility. Heck even Nintendo with NES and SNES games on the switch. I would like to see old PS1 and PS2 games run on a PS5...officially. PS3 might be more of a problem.
Frankly if you take the strategy games out of the picture in PC gaming, that percentage might drop significantly. Strategy games can/will easily be ported eventually onto the new Macs. (I don't have figures to back it up but a strong hunch)
Also, comparing a mobile GPU with a desktop GPU. NOT a valid test. This just in, my $2,000 custom built gaming PC is better than any laptop!
There are approximately 1.5 billion PC gamers in the world
48% of global gamers are PC gamers, that's 1.5 billion PC gamers
DFC Intelligence: 3.1 billion gamers worldwide, 48% of them are PC gamers -- meaning there are over 1.5 billion PC gamers.
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PC gaming is only 3 points off consoles in that chart. That doesn't make PC gaming a "niche market". Playing games at high resolutions isn't a mindset most PC gamers have either. The most popular resolution for PC gamers on Steam is 1080p.
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As far as I know nvidia doesn't allow others to write GPU drivers, which I am pretty sure is something Apple would want to do.
You'll be able get a 3070ti next week since they are nerfing the ETH hash rate. The 3080ti is supposed to be available for sale tomorrow, if you can stomach the price (which as a Apple user you should be able to, lol).
Nah, I don't want them to spend time on it when they could be spending time on new games (looking at you Microsoft).
I am the same way, I would rather upgrade my entire computer than select components. I have been down this road MANY times before. I had an older gaming PC before I built a newer one. I was missing out on newer RAM speeds, even PCIe 3.0 (yes I was still on 2.0), NVME drives, no built in USB 3+ without cards, no built in wireless, and an outdated processor.
Even if on paper/benchmarks the new processor is not a huge improvement, there are still things in a processor that improves over time - HEVC encoding/decoding and more.
However, I was able to build a new PC minus the GPU recently - I am still stuck with my 1080 and its rather frustrating.
And an RTX 3080 is impossible to find if you have a job. Sorry, I don't have the opportunity to just drop out of meetings when I receive a notice that its in stock. But I have been checking every day when I can since the 30 series launched and I have not found it in stock ONCE. I am stuck with my GTX 1080.
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Supposedly between 1000 and 1700 for the config Intel used against Apple.
There is still the chip shortage, COVID and more that impacts products not just mining. I don't think it will help as much as people think it will.
If you are new to gaming, or want to keep your device count down, getting an Xbox that has a legacy library included that has way more than 100 games is very beneficial. New games recently have not been all that great anyway. I am more excited about Metroid Prime 4 than ANYTHING Sony or Microsoft has listed (as long as Nintendo keeps the motion controls gimmicks to a minimum). Companies are too money happy these days. Old games had a sense of pride and enjoyment in their work. These days it seems half-rushed games get made just to make a quick buck. This is why I am enjoying gaming in a long time with the 2004 RPG series I just discovered. It seems those developers and company REALLY put their love and fun into the game which is seriously missing these days outside indie games.
I feel that the campaign is rather silly. I assembled a PC myself several years ago mostly for my son to play games, and I used a surface pro when I teach over zoom because I can write on the whiteboard, and my wife also works on a surface laptop for her small business work. But I do my work almost exclusively on my mac pro 5.1, and my 2015 and new M1 MacBook airs. My high school daughter works on her 2015 iMac and a 2019 Touch bar macbook pro. PC and mac are not mutually exclusive within a household and gamers don't need such campaign to know what they need.
Lets see a breakdown of games. I bet you Minecraft is at the top, along with the old Counter Strike and eSport titles. Consider this from Apple's perspective. Is there any PC game that is a MUST HAVE that is not available on any console? And does that said game require a $500 GPU alone to be able to play it well? The higher the components, the more niche the PC gaming market gets. You said yourself, 1080p is the most popular. Well my GTX 1080 handles that no problems on some relatively new games too with medium settings. So why should Apple compete with the NVIDIA 30 series type of computers?
PC gaming itself might not be truly niche, but high end RTX 3080 gaming certainly IS niche. There are no killer titles that require that and if you have 1080p only its way overkill.