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People are too picky with apple products

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Oh for fudge cake! :D

I can't be assed with this anymore, I know I'm right, you "everything must be perfect" people must not come from this world if you really believe the BS you keep going on about.
 
PowerFullMac said:
Oh for fudge cake! :D

I can't be assed with this anymore, I know I'm right, you "everything must be perfect" people must not come from this world if you really believe the BS you keep going on about.
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No, we come from a world where we expect what is advertised. What a concept!
 
MrMinor said:
If Apple wants to sell imperfect computers then that is fine. Lots of companies do that. They advertise them as such though and the consumer pays less accordingly.
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Exactly which company advertises their computers as imperfect?
 
MrMinor said:
No, we come from a world where we expect what is advertised. What a concept!
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It's simply common sense that nothing is perfect, no matter who advertised what.

Anyway, I'm not bothering with this pointless argument anymore.
 
MrMinor said:
No, we come from a world where we expect what is advertised. What a concept!
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then explain why it is acceptable (aka within spec) to have a certain number of dead pixels on a lcd monitor depending on the manufacturer (each one has different "allowances"). if the amount is within spec, they wont replace it for you


im pretty sure lcd manufacturers dont advertise their monitors having dead pixels lol

nothing is ever "perfect" in manufacturing. anyone who has ever done any type of fabrication will tell you this...
 
I understand that some people don't care about cosmetic defects but I don't understand the ones who blame people who want flawless products.
"Hey, you, bad picky person, you don't deserve Apple products, how dare do you expect more perfection, Apple is perfection in itself. If Jobs drops prices, that's because of you! Stop returning your macbooks! Returning macbooks makes Microsoft bigger and kills apple fanboys everyday!"
There's no need to argue anymore:
You expect perfection? ask for exchange, Apple will exchange.
You don't care if your product is completely flawed, with slanted keys, scratches, dents, loose battery cover and you can live with it?
Don't return your MacBook.
You don't like picky people? Call Apple and explain that you're angry because they replace flawed product.
 
dukebound85 said:
im pretty sure lcd manufacturers dont advertise their monitors having dead pixels lol
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No they do not advertise their monitors having dead pixels, but if they advertise they they have less than 5 dead pixels then that is what you can expect. Apple advertises precision and beauty and all the other stuff I quoted them as saying. They said it so they need to stand behind it.

Perfection is a ridiculous word to use anyway. There is not way to quantify perfection in something like this. The consumer can and should expect Apple to stand behind their own words though. If they advertise the computer as looking polished and refined and someones keys are slanted then that is not polished and refined. Nor is it "pure typing bliss" as they advertise. Nor is it engineered to standards that don’t even exist yet. Nor is it beautifully streamlined etc.
 
PowerFullMac said:
No they are not because, for the 100000th time, where do you think the money comes from that Apple has to waste on pointless replacements because of people like you? The consumers! We are all effected!

EDIT: I agree with the previous post.
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Jesus, sorry but just shut up with this stupid point. Apple has what 25 BILLION US in cash right? So what your saying is it's going to be poor and bust unless it charges us more because about what 10,000 out of the millions of people want a perfect laptop. Then they will just sell the laptops I've returned on the refurbish store right? Not to mention the HUGE mark up Apple puts on it's products.
So no you are NOT paying more for Apple products. If you think you are prove it.

Put is this way, every year the iPod Nano refresh has been broken down in components costs by some website or another and every year it's got cheaper and cheaper yet Apple charge YOU the same. I bet Apple makes 3 laptops at least for the price it charges you for one.
 
apolloa said:
Jesus, sorry but just shut up with this stupid point. Apple has what 25 BILLION US in cash right? So what your saying is it's going to be poor and bust unless it charges us more because about what 10,000 out of the millions of people want a perfect laptop. Then they will just sell the laptops I've returned on the refurbish store right? Not to mention the HUGE mark up Apple puts on it's products.
So no you are NOT paying more for Apple products. If you think you are prove it.

Put is this way, every year the iPod Nano refresh has been broken down in components costs by some website or another and every year it's got cheaper and cheaper yet Apple charge YOU the same. I bet Apple makes 3 laptops at least for the price it charges you for one.
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I explained this before, look back a few posts to the one where I talked about business.
 
morrisman1 said:
you hear all the complaints:

my pixel is dead, my f6 key looks on a lean, my battery cover isnt perfect.

if it was a dell or something like that these issues are tolerated, and possibly not noticed because people dont go looking for them to the same extent.

the f6 key on my new macbook isnt completely flat, i dont care - it still works and i actually had to put my eyes down to the level of the computer to notice it at all. other than that, my ones perfect but the amount of people claiming that theirs isnt are either ****-stirring or just being overly picky

i know apple is a premium brand and we pay more for the quality and design of the computers but they are making thousands of these, a slanted f6 key can easily go a miss and woudlnt be economical to repair anyway. to get an absolutely perfect computer every time, we could expect to pay 30% more due to the higher overall costs of production.

the **** stirrers are the ones that say that their screen was 1cm out of alignment with the bottom case. i read that on appledefects some time. i though what a crock of ****, apple wouldnt every miss that and the manufacturing process wouldnt allow for a stuffup that big anyway.

anyway, we all have great computers and most wont be absolutely perfect but thats just a matter of perception. they are streaks ahead of dell and hp so just be happy with that.
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I'm a big Apple fan and have an MBP but sometimes they miss big times.. my colleague bought a 24 inch Imac 2 weeks ago and once they delivered he had a burned-out LED's size of a big thumb!! How the hell could they have missed that.. well it happens... so we pay a lot compared to other products and I've to say they should never make such mistakes!!!
 
Yesterday the Logic board on my Mac Pro died. The trackpad on my MacBook Pro, does not work, and the power button needs to be fixed. This morning my iPhone actually fell apart.

Can't say I feel like I am being too "picky" here.
 
apolloa said:
Yes and if you knew anything about business you would know and understand that you charge what the consumer is willing pay. NOT what the product is worth.
I only wish I only had slanted keys as my fault cause I can fix them.
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I know this already, I don't see what this has to do with the argument, though.
 
synth3tik said:
Yesterday the Logic board on my Mac Pro died. The trackpad on my MacBook Pro, does not work, and the power button needs to be fixed. This morning my iPhone actually fell apart.

Can't say I feel like I am being too "picky" here.
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See, this is what I mean by REAL PROBLEMS. This is not being picky, this is being very unlucky, and it's having actual problems.
 
morrisman1 said:
if it was a dell or something like that these issues are tolerated, and possibly not noticed because people dont go looking for them to the same extent..
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If it were a Dell it would be half the price and I'd be happy with the occasional corner being cut to save money.

A £1700 laptop - one should expect and DEMAND perfection. Nothing less justifies the hideous price.


If an MBP was £999, and the MB was £799 - then I'd be happy for corners to be cut and for there to be problems. They're not. They're 50% more than that. For that price

They
must
be
perfect.

Nothing else justifies the price. Apple regularly, indeed consistently, fall short of perfection. For premium products, that's simply not damn good enough. The screens on the new MB's are a cheap variety with poor viewing angles. Premium price - bargin basement components.

That, justifiably, pisses people off. Trying to defend a company that's charging premium prices for standard parts is just fanboyism, nothing more.
 
PowerFullMac said:
See, this is what I mean by REAL PROBLEMS. This is not being picky, this is being very unlucky, and it's having actual problems.
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So where is the line drawn? Why is it that you are the barometer of what is a real issue and what is a non issue? Each person is going to have a different threshold of what is a problem and what is acceptable. Why is it that your threshold is the one everyone should measure to?
 
MrMinor said:
So where is the line drawn? Why is it that you are the barometer of what is a real issue and what is a non issue? Each person is going to have a different threshold of what is a problem and what is acceptable. Why is it that your threshold is the one everyone should measure to?
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Because he's 14, and so he's right.

/argument disagreement
 
MrMinor said:
So where is the line drawn? Why is it that you are the barometer of what is a real issue and what is a non issue? Each person is going to have a different threshold of what is a problem and what is acceptable. Why is it that your threshold is the one everyone should measure to?
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I would have thought that the difference between a slanted key and a faulty product is quite obvious to even the stupidest individual.
 
PowerFullMac said:
I would have thought that the difference between a slanted key and a faulty product is quite obvious to even the stupidest individual.
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Wow getting down to the insult level, classy!

Like I asked, where do you draw the line and why is it that you are the barometer? You did not have any comment of the Apple quotes and you can't answer this question either.
 
MrMinor said:
Wow getting down to the insult level, classy!

Like I asked, where do you draw the line and why is it that you are the barometer? You did not have any comment of the Apple quotes and you can't answer this question either.
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If your product dosent function, as in your HD is dead, then it should be replaced. If you have a tiny scratch or a slanted key then your computer is fine.

The Apple quotes are all marketing speak, they are irrelivent unless your computer has a major flaw on the looks-side (like a missing key or a noticable crack on the screen, for example).
 
PowerFullMac said:
If you have a tiny scratch or a slanted key then your computer is fine.
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So I will again ask you, where do you draw the line and why are you the barometer of what is acceptable? Whose definition of "tiny" do you use?

PowerFullMac said:
The Apple quotes are all marketing speak, they are irrelivent
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WHAT??? So you are saying that if it is marketing then they can say whatever they want without being held to anything? This just gets more and more ridiculous as it goes on.
 
djellison said:
NO.

If you spend £1700 on a laptop - it should be PERFECT. No slanted keys. No scratches. PERFECT.

Why are you defending sloppy quality assurance for premium price products?
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No, I am not defending sloppy quality, if I buy a laptop with a slanted key but that functions fine then my laptop is not faulty.

My iPhone has light leaks. I still have said iPhone. Why? Because it's fully operational.
 
djellison said:
Why are you defending sloppy quality assurance for premium price products?
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because the reality is that nothing is perfect, which i agree to an extent

however there is a difference between industry standards and acceptable products. slanted keys are unacceptable as it affects the cosmetics to a degree. also unacceptable since no other comp manufacturer seems to have this issue

however, issues like a few bad lcd pixels while faulty may be within industry spec for example. however, this wont stop me from trying in some cases. i mean what can you lose by trying? sometimes i let stuff slide, sometimes i dont. its up to me as a consumer to decide to try and get it replaced. you can feel free to accept your computer with slanted keys but dont tell me or others that we should be content. if apple wont replace it, ill deal with it. until then, people have every right to try and see if apple can resolve their issue

powerfulmac, stop arguing your point. as long as people buy products, they can attempt to get them replaced. whether apple does or not is their decision, not yours
 
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