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Petition to remove iOS 7 install on iOS 6?

The Doctor11 said:
Well I disagree apple makes the hardware and can do what ever they want. They make money off you using iOS itself and they are very happy with it so why should you be able to install a different os.
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I brought the hardware, so hardware belongs to me. Now, the software is licensed to me, so Apple can do whatever the hell they want to their OS and if I agree to the term and condition, I have no choice but accept.

Hardware is other story. I own the hardware, i have right to do whatever they want. If I wish run Android on my hardware, I should able to.
 
Petition to remove iOS 7 install on iOS 6?

MisakixMikasa said:
If someone managed to make 7 billion people sign the peition, that means essentially everyone on the earth sign. Yeah, Apple will totally do it. If someone managed to get a million of user to pressure Apple, they would do it.
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Honestly? I don't think they would. It's apple. They don't work that way and never have.

If sales were bad, maybe they'd respond in their own way - but not by going backwards to IOS 6. And sales aren't bad, not by a long margin. Neither is IOS 7 adoption.

2. OR sue Apple to death.... If you are capable enough..
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It's not a question of being capable, it's a question of whether you'd have a single solitary leg to stand on; you haven't.

Do you agree or not agree the hardware is mine? If hardware belongs to me then I should do whatever the helll i want to do with it, INCLUDING instailling other OS. So I am totally fine with Apple not allow me install THEIR iOS, but Apple MUST allow me to install other OS works with it without set so much restrictions.



That means, Apple should allow users to install whatever the OS they choose to, including Android. You can do it with PC, Macs, I do not see why you cannot do it with iOS devices.
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The hardware is yours. IOS isn't, which is why you have no right to install versions other than the one Apple currently support and permit you to install to your device.

Other operating systems - ok, so Android and Windows? What else should Apple have designed your iPhone to run, Linux perhaps? BEOS? OS/2 or DOS? Where is the line drawn, what other third party software entirely beyond their control should they have to make their hardware compatible with in order to fulfil your sense of entitlement over this? How many other operating systems do you expect your toaster to support?

The fact is, if you really want to hack your iPhone into running Android or whatever, you can almost certainly do that - you just need to jailbreak and have the necessary programming skills to port the OS over. If you don't have those skills well - tough! Expecting apple to do it for you is the just the height of absurdity.
 
Dented said:
Honestly? I don't think they would. It's apple. They don't work that way and never have.

If sales were bad, maybe they'd respond in their own way - but not by going backwards to IOS 6. And sales aren't bad, not by a long margin. Neither is IOS 7 adoption.





It's not a question of being capable, it's a question of whether you'd have a single solitary leg to stand on; you haven't.




The hardware is yours. IOS isn't, which is why you have no right to install versions other than the one Apple currently support and permit you to install to your device.

Other operating systems - ok, so Android and Windows? What else should Apple have designed your iPhone to run, Linux perhaps? BEOS? OS/2 or DOS? Where is the line drawn, what other third party software entirely beyond their control should they have to make their hardware compatible with in order to fulfil your sense of entitlement over this? How many other operating systems do you expect your toaster to support?
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I do not care. You can install any software you wish on your PC, including OS X. I could not think any reason why iOS devices should any different. Yes, iOS will run best on iOS device (excluding iOS 7), but hey, if you want install other OS of your choice, you accept that experience could be wrose (Just like I am runing Linux on my laptop and I am accepting ****** battery life).

And no, I am not asking Apple to make other OS for me. Apple just need to unlock the bootloader and let us root the phone, so people could run other OS, just like people can load all kinds of ROM on Andriod devices. [
 
MisakixMikasa said:
I do not care. You can install any software you wish on your PC, including OS X. I could not think any reason why iOS devices should any different. Yes, iOS will run best on iOS device (excluding iOS 7), but hey, if you want install other OS of your choice, you accept that experience could be wrose (Just like I am runing Linux on my laptop and I am accepting ****** battery life).
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Firstly you don't just pop OS X on your PC, you carefully select compatible hardware and create a "hackintosh", illegally I might add - it's not for the faint hearted and it's barely any easier than hacking another OS onto an iPhone.

How is it easier to install Linux on a windows PC? Firstly because PCs don't have the same locked down security as an iPhone - you know, that security that keeps your iPhone safe from malware etc - and secondly because years of hard work from Linux developers have resulted in modern Linux distros that can be easily installed on pretty much any PC. You can disable the security on an iPhone by jailbreaking - it's not illegal however much apple may frown on it. Installing another OS? Just like Linux, that's down to the OS developer to make easy for you, not Apple.
 
Dented said:
Firstly you don't just pop OS X on your PC, you carefully select compatible hardware and create a "hackintosh", illegally I might add - it's not for the faint hearted and it's barely any easier than hacking another OS onto an iPhone.

How is it easier to install Linux on a windows PC? Firstly because PCs don't have the same locked down security as an iPhone - you know, that security that keeps your iPhone safe from malware etc - and secondly because years of hard work from Linux developers have resulted in modern Linux distros that can be easily installed on pretty much any PC. You can disable the security on an iPhone by jailbreaking - it's not illegal however much apple may frown on it. Installing another OS? Just like Linux, that's down to the OS developer to make easy for you, not Apple.
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You do not need a computer science degree to install OS X on PC nor Linux. I installed Linux long long time ago when they still use text based installer and I do not have computer science degree.

I do not accept security reason. Security should not be the road block for me to install other OS. Yes, I am relying on software developer to make the alternative OS for me. But If Apple unlock the bootloader, people can make alternative firmware for iOS device. And they did it back then before iOS 4.
 
bboucher790 said:
I recently jailbroke for this reason. Now I call the shots :D.
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No you don't. Evasion is closer to calling the shots than you are, but you, unless you happen to be one of the crackers that exploits errors in iOS, are calling nothing, other than to decide what software you want to use that is only available after you install the latest jailbreak. Given you have become dependent upon an app that is dependent upon a cracked version of iOS, you have even less control because the history is it takes months for crackers to find new exploits into iOS to enable the next jailbreak, so you are at least one, probably several versions of iOS behind the latest release.

"Jailbreak" becomes relative. You're either held hostage by iOS, or held hostage because you require a cracked iOS. 6 to one, half a dozen to another.
 
gglittle said:
No you don't. Evasion is closer to calling the shots than you are, but you, unless you happen to be one of the crackers that exploits errors in iOS, are calling nothing, other than to decide what software you want to use that is only available after you install the latest jailbreak. Given you have become dependent upon an app that is dependent upon a cracked version of iOS, you have even less control because the history is it takes months for crackers to find new exploits into iOS to enable the next jailbreak, so you are at least one, probably several versions of iOS behind the latest release.

"Jailbreak" becomes relative. You're either held hostage by iOS, or held hostage because you require a cracked iOS. 6 to one, half a dozen to another.
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They have never been multi-able OS's behind, ya, they didn't have 6.1.3 or 6.1.4 but those are super minor bug fix updates, big deal. You may be a couple months behind in a x.x or a major os update but that isn't a big deal, many don't upgrade till then regardless of a jailbreak.
 
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MisakixMikasa said:
I brought the hardware, so hardware belongs to me. Now, the software is licensed to me, so Apple can do whatever the hell they want to their OS and if I agree to the term and condition, I have no choice but accept.

Hardware is other story. I own the hardware, i have right to do whatever they want. If I wish run Android on my hardware, I should able to.
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And you can run Android if you want. But ... you will have to develop an Android iOS ... oh wait ... that probably won't work since Andy requires twice as much memory as iOS does ... but there is nothing stopping you from trying to shrink Andy to fit in half the memory.
 
gglittle said:
And you can run Android if you want. But ... you will have to develop an Android iOS ... oh wait ... that probably won't work since Andy requires twice as much memory as iOS does ... but there is nothing stopping you from trying to shrink Andy to fit in half the memory.
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Oh wait...Android KitKat can run perfectly on devices with 512MB of RAM.
 
Armen said:
Consumer "rights" are not being violated here buddy. If you want to use an Apple product you have to AGREE to their software terms. If you do not you are free to take your business elsewhere.
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i never ever said consumer rights were violated. depends on where you live of course. but consumers deserve more rights and things need to change which is why i referred to what tim cook finds the time to campaign for. but however if really challenged who knows how it would play out. btw i dont think your work comparison scenario really works (excuse the pun)

tell me where in the software terms is anything like this described? this happened 6 years after the original ios so by precedence alone who could have foreseen this?

its funny. the lap dogs on here mostly say its unrealistic to expect an "older" device to run the latest ios yet the owners of said devices get it forced on them by apple. i mean which is it?

and this totalitarian type of answer of take it or leave it. i always thought the free market was supposed to represent the opposite of that evil.
 
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Maybe I missed it , but he still has not named the app that will not function and is not support in iOS 7. On another note if the lawsuit works I am gong after Sony for my BetaMax that is no longer supported
 
PracticalMac said:
Where can I sign a petition to remove iOS 7 install on iOS 6?



I have iPhone 4 and don't want to upgrade, especially one app I use frequently does not work well in iOS 7 (no fix yet).
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If you don't want to upgrade, then don't upgrade.

If you upgraded and want to revert, you are out of luck.

No one at Apple made you upgrade.
 
thewitt said:
If you don't want to upgrade, then don't upgrade.

If you upgraded and want to revert, you are out of luck.

No one at Apple made you upgrade.
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i call auto downloading an os upgrade without your consent and giving you no option to delete it pushing you pretty far to the edge of the plank. i would call it fairly untenable.


btw does anyone know if this happens to phones bought in europe and asia as well and or if the terms you agree to do are any different based on where you bought or were you phone is localized?
 
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pugnut said:
Maybe I missed it , but he still has not named the app that will not function and is not support in iOS 7. On another note if the lawsuit works I am gong after Sony for my BetaMax that is no longer supported
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Seems like the reverse is being discussed here.
 
pugnut said:
Maybe I missed it , but he still has not named the app that will not function and is not support in iOS 7. On another note if the lawsuit works I am gong after Sony for my BetaMax that is no longer supported
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that must be one of the worst analogies ive ever heard
 
gglittle said:
No you don't. Evasion is closer to calling the shots than you are, but you, unless you happen to be one of the crackers that exploits errors in iOS, are calling nothing, other than to decide what software you want to use that is only available after you install the latest jailbreak. Given you have become dependent upon an app that is dependent upon a cracked version of iOS, you have even less control because the history is it takes months for crackers to find new exploits into iOS to enable the next jailbreak, so you are at least one, probably several versions of iOS behind the latest release.

"Jailbreak" becomes relative. You're either held hostage by iOS, or held hostage because you require a cracked iOS. 6 to one, half a dozen to another.
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For someone who types such a well-written argument, you couldn't be further from the truth.

Not everyone wants to upgrade at release. I, for one, can happily wait for a jailbreak. Props to your proper grammar (pun intended) and your dedication to provide a counter-argument for my comment.

In the end, however, I cannot agree with your ramblings...
 
Dented said:
Firstly you don't just pop OS X on your PC, you carefully select compatible hardware and create a "hackintosh", illegally I might add - it's not for the faint hearted and it's barely any easier than hacking another OS onto an iPhone.

How is it easier to install Linux on a windows PC? Firstly because PCs don't have the same locked down security as an iPhone - you know, that security that keeps your iPhone safe from malware etc - and secondly because years of hard work from Linux developers have resulted in modern Linux distros that can be easily installed on pretty much any PC. You can disable the security on an iPhone by jailbreaking - it's not illegal however much apple may frown on it. Installing another OS? Just like Linux, that's down to the OS developer to make easy for you, not Apple.
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These days creating a Hackintosh is barely hard work.
 
numlock said:
i never ever said consumer rights were violated. depends on where you live of course. but consumers deserve more rights and things need to change which is why i referred to what tim cook finds the time to campaign for. but however if really challenged who knows how it would play out. btw i dont think your work comparison scenario really works (excuse the pun)

tell me where in the software terms is anything like this described? this happened 6 years after the original ios so by precedence alone who could have foreseen this?

its funny. the lap dogs on here mostly say its unrealistic to expect an "older" device to run the latest ios yet the owners of said devices get it forced on them by apple. i mean which is it?

and this totalitarian type of answer of take it or leave it. i always thought the free market was supposed to represent the opposite of that evil.
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http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS7.pdf

(b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device.*The
iOS Software Updates, if any, may not necessarily include all existing software features or new*features
that Apple releases for newer or other models of iOS Devices.* The terms of this License will govern any
iOS Software Updates provided by Apple that*replace and/or supplement the Original iOS
Software*product, unless such iOS Software Update is*accompanied by a separate license in which case
the terms of that license will govern.
 
Armen said:
http://images.apple.com/legal/sla/docs/iOS7.pdf

(b) Apple, at its discretion, may make available future iOS Software Updates for your iOS Device.*The
iOS Software Updates, if any, may not necessarily include all existing software features or new*features
that Apple releases for newer or other models of iOS Devices.* The terms of this License will govern any
iOS Software Updates provided by Apple that*replace and/or supplement the Original iOS
Software*product, unless such iOS Software Update is*accompanied by a separate license in which case
the terms of that license will govern.
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you realize this says ios7 which is the issue here.

btw where do you read auto download there?
 
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