Petsmart removed from Apple Pay list

[Sketchr]

LOL, I'm sorry but if a few iPhone owners think getting all huffy about a store not supporting Apple Pay and threatening/deciding (especially when the company gets millions of other customers happily using their credit cards and cash) to go to the competition is going to get a store to change their mind (as if they are scared to lose a few iPhone customers) then those iPhone customers need to seriously step out of their reality distortion field, cuz it ain't gonna happen.

Time will certainly tell. If any company garners publicity, it's definitely Apple. No one (well almost no one) knew about this type of pay process until Apple Pay was rolled out. No one care about Google Wallet. How much more publicity will this generate? How many news pieces? Seems to be quite a few right now and growing. Possibility it will down down as well.

Hasn't been that many years since grocery stores started accepting credit cards. People used to think that was ridiculous. Now all grocers accept credit cards. If they don't they are out of the running. My point is that it's a pay method that is growing in demand. And either merchants will accept it or not. In the end we will see who wins.

 

[aajeevlin]

Maybe they have different products in different areas. Here they sell all the crap like Purina, Science Diet, Pedigree. Like feeding a child McDonalds every day.

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They eat Annamaet.

Thanks, I'll have to look this up. I tried to feed my dog blue diamond. It's pretty decent as far as my research goes. But I'll have to give Annamaet a look.

 

[sviato]

What do you feed you dog? Premium beef?

Yes

 

[jpeg42]

Maybe they have different products in different areas. Here they sell all the crap like Purina, Science Diet, Pedigree. Like feeding a child McDonalds every day.

Look closer, they carry Welness and Natural Balance. These are considered top rated dog foods. Just don't buy crap with any type of meal (ie chicken meal) or grain as the first ingredient and you are doing fine for your dog.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

What do you feed you dog? Premium beef?

Nature's Select. They deliver to your doorstep so no need to lug around two bags of dog food weighing 60 lbs.

 

[deeddawg]

Maybe they have different products in different areas. Here they sell all the crap like Purina, Science Diet, Pedigree. Like feeding a child McDonalds every day.

They may carry those too, I hadn't paid attention and I don't go there very often. All that mattered was they carry Natures Variety brand. I was actually a bit surprised to find Petco carried it. Still, I go to the independent shop that's closer and easier to get to unless I've put myself in a bind.

I like the McD's analogy...

 

[aajeevlin]

Yes

Haha, nice. I heard that's very good for your dog.

 

[BeeGood]

LOL, I'm sorry but if a few iPhone owners think getting all huffy about a store not supporting Apple Pay and threatening/deciding (especially when the company gets millions of other customers happily using their credit cards and cash) to go to the competition is going to get a store to change their mind (as if they are scared to lose a few iPhone customers) then those iPhone customers need to seriously step out of their reality distortion field, cuz it ain't gonna happen.

If everyone with an NFC enabled phone (not just iphone users) voted with their wallets, every major retailer in the county would jump on board in a matter of days. But it has to start with someone.

I'm really baffled by the level of apathy around what retailers are trying to do here. ANY type of NFC based solution is probably better than swiping a card, and it's most certainly better than this CurrentC nonsense that I'm assuming Petsmart is going to move towards.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

I'm really baffled by the level of apathy around what retailers are trying to do here. ANY type of NFC based solution is probably better than swiping a card, and it's most certainly better than this CurrentC nonsense that I'm assuming Petsmart is going to move towards.

I don't see Petsmart on the list of CurrentC retailers either. Not really sure why it was initially on Apple's future list then removed for no good reason, as Apple Pay doesn't cost the retailer anything.

 

[BeeGood]

I don't see Petsmart on the list of CurrentC retailers either. Not really sure why it was initially on Apple's future list then removed for no good reason, as Apple Pay doesn't cost the retailer anything.

That's a good question. I really don't get the point of being on Apple's list since it works for all retailers with NFC payment terminals.

The only reason Petsmart would prevent Apple Pay is to come up with a competing payment system or join MCX and use CurrentC in the future. Either way, they're not interested in what's best for the consumer. They either want to cut their own fees at our expense or gather more data from us.

 

[eelw]

If everyone with an NFC enabled phone (not just iphone users) voted with their wallets, every major retailer in the county would jump on board in a matter of days. But it has to start with someone.

So contactless/wave/tap credit cards aren't that common yet in US?

 

[HenryDJP]

If everyone with an NFC enabled phone (not just iphone users) voted with their wallets, every major retailer in the county would jump on board in a matter of days. But it has to start with someone.

I'm really baffled by the level of apathy around what retailers are trying to do here. ANY type of NFC based solution is probably better than swiping a card, and it's most certainly better than this CurrentC nonsense that I'm assuming Petsmart is going to move towards.

I wholeheartedly see both your points and they are very valid. Here's the thing though, Apple Pay right now is new and to many retailers just a fad. Some of them just don't see the benefit and rightfully so. It hasn't even been 60 days since it was announced. I'm willing to bet less than 10% of iPhone 6/6Plus and iPad Air 2 buyers even know anything about Apple Pay. Unless people watched the keynote there's really not much information about it from the credit card company's ads about Apple Pay. I just received an email from my credit union that said "Coming Soon, Apple Pay", followed by "Now you'll be able to make purchases using your smartphone". Hmm, what does that tell me? I already buy stuff on Ebay and Amazon using my smartphone. Very limited information about what Apple Pay even is.

That's my point, it's not widespread enough for people to expect these retailers to worry about media coverage putting them on blast for not supporting Apple Pay. Right now only Tech-minded people are going to making a fuss about stores not supporting it.

Until it becomes as standard as using credit cards or cash there's not going to be much media coverage to get some retailers to jump in. At this time voting with your wallet means nothing more than inconveniencing yourself. These stores can afford to lose a few annoyed Apple Pay customers....because right now there's really onlly a few.

 

[BeeGood]

So contactless/wave/tap credit cards aren't that common yet in US?

Not yet. They are supposed to become the standard in a year or two I believe.

It's absurd and embarrassing how far we are behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to payment technology.

 

[farmkittie]

for me yes i'd do it. Unless your pet was ultra thin and almost dying i'd bet it could do with eating less

Awwww, poor doggies, kitties, birdies, et al. because you'e suggesting that the poster you replied to should buy them less food because they want to use Apple Pay at a more expensive store?

I use Apple Pay as one element to decide where to shop. It's a tie-breaker. I'm willing to drive little further to stores that use it if I like the store. Once Apple Pay gets rolling with more accepted brick-and-mortar retailers I won't seek out those who accept Apple Pay.

But, until then, when Apple Pay is accepted at all stores that have the technology for it, I will shop at Apple Pay enabled stores.

 

[BeeGood]

I wholeheartedly see both your points and they are very valid. Here's the thing though, Apple Pay right now is new and to many retailers just a fad. Some of them just don't see the benefit and rightfully so. It hasn't even been 60 days since it was announced. I'm willing to bet less than 10% of iPhone 6/6Plus and iPad Air 2 buyers even know anything about Apple Pay. Unless people watched the keynote there's really not much information about it from the credit card company's ads about Apple Pay. I just received an email from my credit union that said "Coming Soon, Apple Pay", followed by "Now you'll be able to make purchases using your smartphone". Hmm, what does that tell me? I already buy stuff on Ebay and Amazon using my smartphone. Very limited information about what Apple Pay even is.

That's my point, it's not widespread enough for people to expect these retailers to worry about media coverage putting them on blast for not supporting Apple Pay. Right now only Tech-minded people are going to making a fuss about stores not supporting it.

Until it becomes as standard as using credit cards or cash there's not going to be much media coverage to get some retailers to jump in. At this time voting with your wallet means nothing more than inconveniencing yourself. These stores can afford to lose a few annoyed Apple Pay customers....because right now there's really onlly a few.

I agree that Apple isn't doing the greatest job educating people about what's going on. They seriously need to step up the communication and I wish Google would do the same with Google wallet.

But...the problem isn't that retailers are ignoring Apple Pay. That wouldn't be much of a problem at all. Many of them (the ones that are behind CurrentC) are downright hostile towards it. CVS and RiteAide had NFC terminals. They were ready to go with Apple Pay from day one...didn't need to do anything else. They shut them off and declined to accept Apple pay because they want to cut their own merchant fees and collect more data from people by offering an inferior solution.

I understand that no one really cares, but my point is that people should. Retailers are basically colluding to block a technology that could make things safer and easier for consumers because they're not getting a cut.

What happens when, due to people's apathy, retailers make CurrentC mainstream and decide they will no longer take credit cards? And if you don't believe that could happen, check out WalMarts former CEO's thoughts on their relationship with Visa.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mdudas/status/507320177508507648

 

[cynics]

That's a good question. I really don't get the point of being on Apple's list since it works for all retailers with NFC payment terminals.



The only reason Petsmart would prevent Apple Pay is to come up with a competing payment system or join MCX and use CurrentC in the future. Either way, they're not interested in what's best for the consumer. They either want to cut their own fees at our expense or gather more data from us.

I wouldn't say they aren't interested in what's best for the customer quite yet. A lot of businesses/corporations/contractors will want to evaluate a new system or method prior to incorporating it.

Just because we assume it secure because Apple says so doesn't mean a business is going to dive right in and risk their current infrastructure and customers privacy. If this was "GooglePay" the majority of people here would be on the businesses side for not supporting it.

I still can't use TouchID on my work phone for security reasons. We all know it's safe but the contractor I work for had some fingerprint things written into our contracts that prevent us from intentionally giving them to non gov types even though Apple isn't in possession of them and it's only hash data.

 

[BuffaloTF]

So contactless/wave/tap credit cards aren't that common yet in US?

They were very common about 8-10 years ago. Debit and Credit cards almost all had PayPass, PayWave, etc. Not many people knew about it, and those that did were the loud-mouthed doom and gloomers that wrongly stated the things could be read from across a room by anyone with the right computer setup, thus stealing your card numbers... so they disappeared around 2008. Now that the dust has settled, and people understand it more and know that it's perhaps the safest method of making a card payment, now suddenly everyone wants one and they're rolling back out again.

 

[oddnendz]

What happens when, due to people's apathy, retailers make CurrentC mainstream and decide they will no longer take credit cards? And if you don't believe that could happen, check out WalMarts former CEO's thoughts on their relationship with Visa.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mdudas/status/507320177508507648

I will go shop somewhere else.... and yes, I am serious.... b/c I refuse to use CurrentC.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

What happens when, due to people's apathy, retailers make CurrentC mainstream and decide they will no longer take credit cards? And if you don't believe that could happen, check out WalMarts former CEO's thoughts on their relationship with Visa.

https://mobile.twitter.com/mdudas/status/507320177508507648

What a CEO says or wishes for and what they'll actually do are two different things. Cutting off credit cards entirely will most definitely hurt their bottom line so it won't happen.

 

[BeeGood]

I wouldn't say they aren't interested in what's best for the customer quite yet. A lot of businesses/corporations/contractors will want to evaluate a new system or method prior to incorporating it.

Just because we assume it secure because Apple says so doesn't mean a business is going to dive right in and risk their current infrastructure and customers privacy. If this was "GooglePay" the majority of people here would be on the businesses side for not supporting it.

I still can't use TouchID on my work phone for security reasons. We all know it's safe but the contractor I work for had some fingerprint things written into our contracts that prevent us from intentionally giving them to non gov types even though Apple isn't in possession of them and it's only hash data.

I'm not buying the "we need to vet this properly before we make a decision" line. RiteAide and CVS were already accepting mobile payments. Now, all of a sudden, Apple Pay comes along and we have concerns about security?

Apple Pay is not a good thing for them because it is, in fact, a good thing. It works pretty well and they know that. They also know that this doesn't benefit them financially and since it removes the Card number from the equation, they can no longer haphazardly store customer data for their own amusement only to have it stolen.

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What a CEO says or wishes for and what they'll actually do are two different things. Cutting off credit cards entirely will most definitely hurt their bottom line so it won't happen.

You could have said the exact same thing about paper checks 10-15 years ago. Almost no one writes checks at checkout anymore.

 

[Zxxv]

Awwww, poor doggies, kitties, birdies, et al. because you'e suggesting that the poster you replied to should buy them less food because they want to use Apple Pay at a more expensive store?

I use Apple Pay as one element to decide where to shop. It's a tie-breaker. I'm willing to drive little further to stores that use it if I like the store. Once Apple Pay gets rolling with more accepted brick-and-mortar retailers I won't seek out those who accept Apple Pay.

But, until then, when Apple Pay is accepted at all stores that have the technology for it, I will shop at Apple Pay enabled stores.

I suggested only if theyre over weight and can afford to loose a few pounds.

 

[JayLenochiniMac]

You could have said the exact same thing about paper checks 10-15 years ago. Almost no one writes checks at checkout anymore.

Yes, but it's replaced with an easier method (debit cards), which does the same thing. Much like the same way contactless methods like Apple Pay will replace credit cards as we know it. The merchants' purposely cutting off credit cards entirely and relying entirely on CurrentC will hurt their bottom line.

 

[deeddawg]

The merchants' purposely cutting off credit cards entirely and relying entirely on CurrentC will hurt their bottom line.

Do you really think any major retailer is going to completely cut off credit card payments?

CurrentC adoption will be encouraged via discounts, special deals, or other carrots.

It needn't be all-or-nothing for the merchants to realize a benefit; simply reducing credit card fee payments is a win by itself. And if they do make a notable impact on card usage it puts them in a stronger negotiating position with Visa/MC/Amex/Disc.

 

[cynics]

I'm not buying the "we need to vet this properly before we make a decision" line. RiteAide and CVS were already accepting mobile payments. Now, all of a sudden, Apple Pay comes along and we have concerns about security?



Apple Pay is not a good thing for them because it is, in fact, a good thing. It works pretty well and they know that. They also know that this doesn't benefit them financially and since it removes the Card number from the equation, they can no longer haphazardly store customer data for their own amusement only to have it stolen.

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You could have said the exact same thing about paper checks 10-15 years ago. Almost no one writes checks at checkout anymore.

While I tend to agree with your assessment I still say it's a bit to early to tell for sure what their motives are from this conjecture. Especially with them not being on the CurrentC list.

NFC at Petsmart probably went from something that's never used to all of a sudden an actual used method of payment.

They could have just disabled it to test the waters and see how it affects their bottom line.

 

[bmac4]

Why change retailers because they dropped apple pay? Does Petco (which is typically more expensive then PetSmart) accept Apple Pay?

My biggest thing is all these retailers not using it because they want to go with CurrencyC. Places like Target and CVS turning off their NFC just so people can't use Apple Pay. If a retailer is not going to accept Apple Pay or google wallet because they are using CurrencyC. I will choose another retailer. I want nothing to do with that, and I would love to kill off every business that chooses CurrencyC as there new payment type. It want happen, but if I could help hurt their profits in some way. That would be a good thing.