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If you want to be part of the iMessage movement, you buy Apple products.

Except that I own LOTS of Apple products... but also others. Have to use Windows for some functionality, and the reality is that not everyone can afford Apple products.

Facetime, for example, is great, but because I need to communicate with people who do not have Apple products I am forced to use Skype or something else. One way Apple can generate platform excitement - and sales - is to provide platform specific tools that are SO FREAKIN COOL you just have to get them, but then forcing me to use other tools just to get cross-platform functionality means that Apples loses the platform lock. Once I use non-Apple software for my top 5 (?) use cases, then I don't really have to have Apple products.
 
They'll probably dumb down EVERYTHING until everyone accepts the itoys as the new standard for 'work' and the kids will say what's a computer !?!?

We'll look back on the humble mac mini with rose tinted spectacles...

Instead of putting some effort in ( like SJ and his gang did ) , Apple nowadays remind me of Apple in the late 80's - complacent , arrogant and very very predictable

I just hope history doesn't repeat itself...
 
I wonder if these "people" he's talking about are Tim Cook? It seems like the thing he'd be excited about.

The Mac users I know, and like myself, want stability and not gimmicks, and a new file system is the most exciting thing Apple has announced with relevance to the Mac in many years' time.

Good... lord.

Apple is not one of the most valuable companies on the planet right now because it doesn't know its current audience. I get it that a lot of you are very sad that computer professionals of some sort are no longer their core audience. That ship sailed long before Tim Cook became CEO.

The average Apple user (and basically, average technology user—which is basically everyone these days) doesn't even know what a filesystem is. The keynote itself is streamed live to an audience much wider than developers. So these "people" are those people. In addition, you know what's most important to most of us developers? Code that turns a profit. People love that emoji stuff. The features displayed during the entire keynote were mostly customer-facing or obviously customer-facing. Why? It gets future customers excited and shows developers what customers as a whole want. That's how to turn profitable code.

I am astounded at how a bunch of forum dwellers think that Tim Cook is some kind of childish fool that doesn't know how to operate a company and pine for Steve Jobs, despite the fact that Jobs picked Cook.

People keep talking about wanting to be "wowed" again as they look at Apple's past with some kind of rose-colored glasses. The iPhone was not a smash hit out the door. (Heck, go check out the forums here from that time.) The markets have matured.

The filesystem was the most exciting announcement for me, but I'm not exactly the bulk of Apple's consumers and if you or your friends are also the types that are most excited about a filesystem... neither are they.

There's plenty to be cynical about, like the seemingly arbitrary line drawn regarding Macs that won't be supported by Sierra—especially from a company that keeps making a big deal about its commitment to the environment. Forced obsolescence is pretty antithetical to a solid environmental policy. I get it. But this constant characterization of Tim Cook is just silly. The vast majority of users want gimmicks. They love gimmicks. Go browse the App Store and look at the top sellers.

As much as us Macrumorites hate HDDs, the average joe would choose 500GB HDD over the 128GB SSD every time. They don't really know or care, they just want more storage.

I don't know how true that is. Maybe if no one is assisting them in the purchase, but I have never installed an SSD for a non-technical client where they weren't blown away by the speed. On top of that, the vast majority of the people whose computers I work on rarely exceed 150GB, and it's generally MUCH lower than that.

The only two groups I see that regularly use a lot of space are professionals in graphic arts, video, or heavy music and people who do a ton of torrenting. There are other outliers, but your "average" user doesn't even know how to fill up 500GB. It's not like they're storing their photos in RAW or something.

My mom is currently scanning old pictures and is worried she's going to fill the computer up. "Mom, you've used up like 10 gigs." "Is that a lot." "You have another 200 left. You're good."
 
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The stupid, it burns!

Listening to these guys has become physically painful.

Apple has become a rudderless ship adrift.
 
What I'd really like to see in Group messaging goes along the lines of removing people who weren't supposed to be in it after the first message has been sent.

I've seen this a few times where the conversation went "hey we're having a get together at my house on Saturday." "OK I'll be there" (about 8 times) followed by a green bubble that says "I don't think I'm supposed to be in this group, I don't know any of you." They suck because they don't have an iPhone and can't remove themselves from the group and you end up having to create a new group minus the green bubble person.
 
What I'd really like to see in Group messaging goes along the lines of removing people who weren't supposed to be in it after the first message has been sent.

I've seen this a few times where the conversation went "hey we're having a get together at my house on Saturday." "OK I'll be there" (about 8 times) followed by a green bubble that says "I don't think I'm supposed to be in this group, I don't know any of you." They suck because they don't have an iPhone and can't remove themselves from the group and you end up having to create a new group minus the green bubble person.
how the heck does that happen?
 
Good... lord. Apple is not one of the most valuable companies on the planet right now because it doesn't know its current audience.

People are pissed because a company with 200 billion dollars should be willing and able to supply stupid toys for emoji-loving do-nothings and professional tools for people who actually do stuff. Apple may owe its great wealth to the do-nothings, but they owe their existence to the doers.

Here's how this is going to play out: with app and hardware sales stagnating, Apple's going to focus more and more on their car and services businesses, and in ten years these forums will be filled with aging iOS fans pissed because all Apple does anymore is make cars.
 
Schiller said that Apple pushes to make sure that all things make as much sense as possible on all storefronts, and that they organize development time and resources based on what they think the need for some features are. For example, Apple felt like the need for TestFlight on iOS was more important than the need for TestFlight on macOS.

Now make sure the iPhone 7 has 32 GB of base storage, and how about resigning from your position?
 
A lot of negativity in this thread. We have some pretty concrete rumours that the new Macs are coming out at the end of the year, so why don't people hold off on the doom and gloom until then, rather than acting as though we're never going to get new ones? I actually wouldn't be surprised if the iPhone is the more disappointing release of the year, judging by the rumours that we've had so far.
 
People are pissed because a company with 200 billion dollars should be willing and able to supply stupid toys for emoji-loving do-nothings and professional tools for people who actually do stuff. Apple may owe its great wealth to the do-nothings, but they owe their existence to the doers.

Here's how this is going to play out: with app and hardware sales stagnating, Apple's going to focus more and more on their car and services businesses, and in ten years these forums will be filled with aging iOS fans pissed because all Apple does anymore is make cars.

I hope so. Wow will that be fun to watch!
 
I understand why apple spent so much time and energy improving (hopefully) Messages in iOS, but I really wish they would also fix Messages on the Mac. I have lost the ability to screenshare, which was a very useful tool.

By "lost the ability", do you mean it isn't working, or you can't find the feature? Screen sharing is in Messages, but is actually handled by the separate Screen Sharing app that comes with every Mac. Under the hood, it's using the industry-standard VNC protocol. You could use any third-party VNC client to tap into the tech.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Screen_Sharing

Granted, it may not be as obvious as it used to be, but the ability is still there. If it's not working for you, then you may need to look more closely at your setup, or the setup of the person that you're trying to connect with.
 
And that's a good thing, go buy a device with full fylesystem access and cryptolockers

You said saps give you file system access, I asked which ones. Did you misunderstand the question ? We are discussing idevices
 
So iMessage got a load of attention because that's where a user spends most of his/her time? What about the home screen then? I spend a lot of time in there wishing it was a little more flexible like its Android counterparts. Lock screen changes are a step in the right direction however so I'm pleased to see that.
 
I wonder if these "people" he's talking about are Tim Cook? It seems like the thing he'd be excited about.

The Mac users I know, and like myself, want stability and not gimmicks, and a new file system is the most exciting thing Apple has announced with relevance to the Mac in many years' time.

He is talking about consumers in general. You are the very small minority that Apple doesn't cater too often. I can tell you that when Apple does have an update with new emojis kids in school go crazy to get the update.
 
It is sad to see the link go away for the video interview. I have to say, people on Macrumors were excited to see the "the finger" and "bacon" and other emojis updates in between real news stories. Maybe Apple thought that is what we also wanted when they scan the web for feedback. They probably will put in Dark Mode next year along with our hardware updates.
 
Craig's right, you know. I heard a conversation where one person was trying to convince the other that they should updat to iOS 9. His reason for not updating was that he didnt like the new app switcher (as petty as that is), and her reason was that their were new emoji's. That's all anyone cares about, as sad as it is. I ****ing hate emoji

That is what Apple has figured out. SnapChat and the new iMessage allows folks to be very expressive and creative with their communications. This stuff sells. Don't be surprised to see more of this type of stuff going forward.
 
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