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smacrumon

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Callous? Insulting PC users? He made a comment about how using old-ish hardware is sad. He didn't insult anyone. He didn't say you were sad for using a 5 year old computer. Big difference, words matter.
"There are over 600 million PCs in use today that are over five years old. This is really sad, it really is."
Nice try at spinning it away. PCs don't buy themselves, users buy PCs. PCs don't operate themselves, users operate PCs. People buy and use PCs. Schiller's statement was offensive on a number of levels as well as callous to many users. It completely was off, glaringly elitist and insensitive especially to those users who might be unable to afford a new machine.
 
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Michael Goff

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"There are over 600 million PCs in use today that are over five years old. This is really sad, it really is."
Nice try at spinning it away. PCs don't buy themselves, users buy PCs. PCs don't operate themselves, users operate PCs. People buy and use PCs. Schiller's statement was offensive on a number of levels as well as callous to many users. It completely was off, glaringly elitist and insensitive especially to those users who might be unable to afford a new machine.

Okay, so you want to be insulted. I get it. But he still insulted the use of five year old PC and not the people using them. How do you survive in the world when you clearly want everything to be a slight against you?
 

smacrumon

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Okay, so you want to be insulted. I get it. But he still insulted the use of five year old PC and not the people using them. How do you survive in the world when you clearly want everything to be a slight against you?
PCs don't buy or operate themselves, they require users. Phil Schiller, intentionally or unintentionally, made an offensive remark about PC users. You get that. As a Mac user, that comment from Schiller was absolutely a dump on computer users who use older technology and maintain their products beyond a superficial warranty. Not witty, not eloquent, not classy, just rubbish Apple nonsense. Be objective. Support Apple brilliance when it presents itself, but also make sure to call out Apple rubbish for what it is when it occurs.
 

Michael Goff

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PCs don't buy or operate themselves, they require users. Phil Schiller, intentionally or unintentionally, made an offensive remark about PC users. You get that. As a Mac user, that comment from Schiller was absolutely a dump on computer users who use older technology and maintain their products beyond a superficial warranty. Not witty, not eloquent, not classy, just rubbish Apple nonsense. Be objective. Support Apple brilliance when it presents itself, but also make sure to call out Apple rubbish for what it is when it occurs.

Oh, the line was rubbish. It just wasn't, by any objective merit, insulting people who use older computers. It was insulting the computers. You can scream until you're blue in the face, but he says the PC is sad, he said using the 5 year old PC is sad, but he says nothing about the user.

And yet, $4000 Mac Pro hardware is 3+ years out of date. So how are you going to twist that into some kind of defense of Apple?

I'm not. What he said is stupid. It just isn't insulting PC users.
 

briloronmacrumo

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$4000 Mac Pro hardware is 3+ years out of date.
Yep, agreed and hopefully Apple rolls out a new one soon.

However, Shiller's remarks don't bother me at all; it's not that the words can't be construed as a little rude, but on my top ten list of bothersome comments it is about number 500. Plus, I think generally there is always someone now that wants to take offensive to virtually any comment even when they're innocent and meant as a joke; we've lost our sense of humor.

The interview was good. Didn't cover some topics I'd like to ask but the answers were substantive and not marketing hype.
 

SAdProZ

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And yet, $4000 Mac Pro hardware is 3+ years out of date. So how are you going to twist that into some kind of defense of Apple?
Apple sells estimate 20 million Macs per year. So maybe 1 million Mac Pro's per year, maybe less. So that's only 1 million Mac Pro's sold that are 2+ years out of date.

Some things:
  • 1 million Mac Pro's is not even close to 600 million PCs
  • 1 million Mac Pro's at 2+ years out of date is not anywhere close to 600 million 5+ year-old PCs out of date
It's just a bad comparison. More of a contrast really.
 

citysnaps

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Excellent interview. Especially enjoyed the depth covered on the subjects addressed, among them their approach to security/privacy. Glad Gruber kept it tight.
 

smacrumon

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Oh, the line was rubbish. It just wasn't, by any objective merit, insulting people who use older computers. It was insulting the computers. You can scream until you're blue in the face, but he says the PC is sad, he said using the 5 year old PC is sad, but he says nothing about the user.



I'm not. What he said is stupid. It just isn't insulting PC users.
I think you are screaming. PCs don't buy or operate themselves, they require users, 600 million PC users.
 

Simplicated

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Hi, You cannot uninstall Apple Craps, all you did is basically hide user data and app data. Apple craps are still here, ie, stupid Apple Maps.

iOS is piece of crap and Apple is control freak. LOL... Let me uninstall Apple's crap and replace those ****** apps with better apps, like Google Maps, Google Calendar, Google Gmail, Google Keep etc... Google services are way better than Apple's crap
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The March event, where he said something alone the line that there are 600 million PC users are using PC that are over 5 years old. He think that is sad.

Tell you what, my 5 years old PC with AMD Athlon x3 still do more than iPad Pro does. I can still multitasking without issue. When he think PC users using old PC are sad, what about iPad users?

Schiller is idiot, he is good sales guy, but poor ethical.
And you're still here why?
 

MH01

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Federighi really embodies the spirit of Apple in my opinion. Federighi's presentation on OS X/macOS and iOS at WWDC was great, polished and intelligent and the demos smart, witty and slick.

He should just do the keynotes in the future. It's actually enjoyable to watch him. TC can do this boring intro and conclusion
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Your Windows PC won't have a new FS. Still the 22 years old NTFS.

And Microsoft emojis stink. TBH.

So, good luck!

And there we have it.

It's not the technical capabilities of an OS that matters anymore for many , it's the quality of emojis lol

So what's wrong with NTFS? Use a few emoji...I'm using a Mac, will look great ;)
 

MH01

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'It's only insulting PC Users if you want to be insulted. Normal people don't define themselves by their computers.

You will find that here on macrumors that our users most definitely define themselves by thier computers. It's the key attribute actually, also many are both PC and Mac users, so anti PC comments raise a few eyebrow, manly due to being in accurate.
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He is a complete DILF!!!

Ha ha never heard that term. Makes sense lol
 
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Brookzy

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Gruber is great at a lot of things but interviewing isn't one of them.

His questions wander and whine in such a boring way, randomly intertwining semi-fictional stories. We want to listen to Craig and Phil, not him. A few times he talks over Craig, ruining precious examples of the PR-polish fading and speaking candidly and off-script.

But worst of all is his apparent pride in his lack of preparation. That gig only works as a disingenuous, humourous guise masking actual rehearsal and presenting talent. Rather Gruber delivers an excruciatingly insulting readout for Mailchimp, forgets to ask about basics like iMessage for Android (because he was too lazy to make notes), and boasts he played no part in organising the mechanics of the event.

Great to hear from the execs though.
 
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Unggoy Murderer

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Your Windows PC won't have a new FS. Still the 22 years old NTFS.
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A few years ago, Microsoft introduced a new filesystem called ReFS, which will become the successor to NTFS. It's available on Windows Server 2012 R2, and will make its way to consumer releases in the future. NTFS is still more than fit for purpose, it's not something the average (or specialist) consumer needs to worry or care about.
 

vista980622

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Hi, You cannot uninstall Apple Craps, all you did is basically hide user data and app data. Apple craps are still here, ie, stupid Apple Maps.

iOS is piece of crap and Apple is control freak. LOL... Let me uninstall Apple's crap and replace those ****** apps with better apps, like Google Maps, Google Calendar, Google Gmail, Google Keep etc... Google services are way better than Apple's crap
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Umm...

Google has some great iOS apps. A few of my favourite: Google Photos, Google Translate, Google Maps and Google Drive.

However, while Gmail is a great service and I use it everyday, Google's Gmail app for iPhone is awful. It's slow, choppy, essentially being a web view pretending to be a native app. I prefer Apple's Mail app with the Gmail service.
 

Atlantico

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Callous? Insulting PC users? He made a comment about how using old-ish hardware is sad. He didn't insult anyone. He didn't say you were sad for using a 5 year old computer. Big difference, words matter.

Basically he was insulting Mac Pro users, almost all of whom have older machines - and even if they'd buy a new one, it is already 3 years old - and offering them an iPad.

I've always thought Schiller to be an idiot. He's not proven me wrong yet.
 
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jqc

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Basically he was insulting Mac Pro users, almost all of whom have older machines - and even if they'd buy a new one, it is already 3 years old - and offering them an iPad.

I've always thought Schiller to be an idiot. He's not proven me wrong yet.

I'm still using s 2010 iMac - I'm all confused, am I part of the "sad" group?
 

robeddie

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I'm still using s 2010 iMac - I'm all confused, am I part of the "sad" group?

Certainly I wouldn't say that. For a machine with that variety of flexibility and capability, Apple no longer makes an option for you. So you're not sad, you're just stuck, and it's not your fault.
 

empire01

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Not so long ago Blackberry tried to keep their messaging system restricted to their devices. It was generally acknowledged at the time as being the best messenging system around. Only to find the world moved on, they desperately tried to produce iOS and android apps, but all too late.
Will this be the future of iMessage?
 

SAdProZ

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Not so long ago Blackberry tried to keep their messaging system restricted to their devices. It was generally acknowledged at the time as being the best messenging system around. Only to find the world moved on, they desperately tried to produce iOS and android apps, but all too late.
Will this be the future of iMessage?
No. Blackberry's competitive advantage only worked for a smaller(er) niche of business users. My mom didn't buy a Blackberry but she bough an iPhone. Blackberrys don't appeal to a common market. iPhone has more tech that appeals to more people. Full browser, games, full size screen, apps, the list goes on. Blackberry couldn't compete with that. Only Android could.

What does iMessage have to do with the fall of Blackberry?
 
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