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Old womans talles and total ********. Down the road i can easily add another 16-32G of ram, new and current graphic card or even new processor if choose so. And it would cost a fraction of new mac. And win 10 are working like a charm.
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Since they try to rip buyers and save every penny.....yes they do care. They are public company making profit with......you are right, sales. Sure tim cook is not going to call you at home and beg you to buy macbook but they sure want so sell macbook to evey person they could. Thing of this.....on lost macbook sale in one more added to windows base.

Complete bull. Even large corporations like IBM are quickly switching to Macs due to lower TOC: the move saves $270 per user.
 
In case anybody actually cares about file systems...

HFS+ is indeed horrible, awful, and probably should have been replaced around 10.3. If anybody doesn't believe me, I can enumerate why... although Apple does a pretty good job telling us why in their documentation for APFS. Remember this is UNIX, your file handling calls are the same and the file system is mostly transparent. Nothing was stopping Apple earlier, they just didn't make it a priority.

If you want a (sort of) equivalent to HFS+ on the Mac, it would have been similar to Microsoft bolting stuff on to FAT32 over the years and Windows still shipping on top of FAT32+. This isn't quite a great analogy because in truth HFS's tree model and base assumptions are a bit more advanced than FAT, and its origins are a bit newer. It's a functional example of how crap HFS+ is, though.

Instead Microsoft shipped a new File System to Windows NT starting in the early 90s and to the consumer grade operating systems around 2000. That is NTFS and it is a substantially better file system than HFS+ or FAT32. So Microsoft with Windows XP was quite a ways ahead of Apple on the file system front. That was a long while ago.

In 2012 Microsoft started shipping another new file system called ReFS. It has been maturing for awhile and is an option in various editions of Windows Server. ReFS is a fully modern file system that includes support for all of the features we would generally expect. It also can sit on top of Microsoft's Logical Volume Manager, Storage Spaces, and work with it. It is not yet bootable, and not yet supported in Windows Home. These things are coming, and Microsoft is right to be conservative with how they roll out a new file system.

This WWDC Apple finally announced APFS, their new file system. It does include some things that are expected, and it is so great to finally see them addressing this incredible weak spot. However, it also fails to do a lot of things that I would have hoped for. Perhaps Apple is just biting off a small amount, letting it mature, and then they will extend it. Perhaps they don't believe those other features are important. Impossible to say, but at the end of today APFS doesn't solve a bunch of problems I have. I will have to continue my plan of a Windows Server 2016 + ReFS NAS.
 
Interesting answer on where they got extra resource to hold apps in memory. He didn't say it explicitly, but basically they've sacrificed battery life to keep apps in RAM.
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In case anybody actually cares about file systems...

HFS+ is indeed horrible, awful...
So true. Apparently, Apple didn't take this seriously for a long time and then thought they could be rescued by ZFS until the licensing fell through. It is nice that they are finally implementing a replacement but it will be late and gimped.

Apple's statement that the users only care about emojis and not file systems as an apparent excuse for being late is disingenuous and self-serving. If Apple would educate and market the file system to their users, they would pay more attention to it.

As for me I have been using ZFS on Mac OS X for about three years or so now and it has been robust and solid (a big thank you to those hard-working developers who have done this for free). I wouldn't dare trust my data to HFS+. I'll have to see how the new APFS plays out but I don't see changing from ZFS anytime soon. And ironically by the time APFS is ready Apple probably won't offer any hardware that I would want to run it on.
 



Earlier this week, Apple executives Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi appeared on a live episode of John Gruber's podcast, The Talk Show, touching on a number of topics and expanding on some of the announcements made the previous day at the Worldwide Developers Conference keynote.

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The full video and audio of the interview are now available from Daring Fireball for those interested in seeing exactly what Schiller and Federighi had to say. The executives discussed such topics as the ability to remove stock apps in iOS 10, the opening of several parts of Apple's platforms to third-party developers to allow integration into apps such as Messages and Maps, and more.


The discussion also covered Apple's expanded subscription options for app developers, including some clarification on which types of apps may not be appropriate for such a model, details on the new Photos features and how Apple is approaching privacy with them, and some thoughts on how Apple was able to make such significant improvements in the watchOS user experience.

Article Link: Phil Schiller and Craig Federighi's Interview on 'The Talk Show' Now Available

There's an good article where Linus Torvalds talks about Apple's file system being the worst file system ever.
 
Complete bull. Even large corporations like IBM are quickly switching to Macs due to lower TOC: the move saves $270 per user.
Mac is a lot of things...cheaper is not one of those. This article is mix of PR and executive talk. Besides that, I am talking about private user and not corporation, since I dont have any inside knowledge of their win/ mac user cost.
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If they did care I'm sure they know why more and more people are going to window. If they did care about the sales, wouldn't they realize by now that all these disposable macs and not updating would be shooting themselves in the foot? Tim needs a wake up call.
I dont believe anyone knows why they almost stoped doing real updates to mac line.
 
Mac is a lot of things...cheaper is not one of those. This article is mix of PR and executive talk. Besides that, I am talking about private user and not corporation, since I dont have any inside knowledge of their win/ mac user cost.
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I dont believe anyone knows why they almost stoped doing real updates to mac line.
Other than themselves(Apple I mean)
 
1. Hardware is coming, WWDC was always intended as a developer software focused venue.
2. I don't even know what that means
3. They WILL let you setup defaults. I think this was mentioned BOTH in the WWDC presentation and during this interview. So in contacts, you will be able to tap the message button and open whatsapp by default, etc.
4. The only good question out of the 4. Curious to know as well.

1 - Disagree, they always debut HW with new features that developers will have to write code for at WWDC. If the MacBook Pro rumors are true, they will have to change some of their code for them, still a no show though.

2 - Listen to the last 5 minutes of the keynote, Tim Cook sounds strange, like he's trying to coax candy from a kid. His tone and inflection is borderline creepy.

3 - As of right now, thats not totally true. You mis-heard what they said. If you were to remove Apple Maps, then tap on an address it won't do anything. You cannot set your default mapping service to Google, as an example.

4 - I'd like to think they were all great, but..
 
1 - Disagree, they always debut HW with new features that developers will have to write code for at WWDC. If the MacBook Pro rumors are true, they will have to change some of their code for them, still a no show though.

2 - Listen to the last 5 minutes of the keynote, Tim Cook sounds strange, like he's trying to coax candy from a kid. His tone and inflection is borderline creepy.

3 - As of right now, thats not totally true. You mis-heard what they said. If you were to remove Apple Maps, then tap on an address it won't do anything. You cannot set your default mapping service to Google, as an example.

4 - I'd like to think they were all great, but..

1. "they ALWAYS debut HW ... at WWDC" is just not true. Go as far back as you want, there were only a few anomalies where Apple has chosen to debut CONSUMER HW at WWDC. WWDC = World Wide DEVELOPER conference. The main focus is developers which is almost always software. Even if it would be hardware it wouldn't be consumer facing. Just because Apple broke the rule in some occasions doesn't make it the way it ALWAYS has been.

2. Refuse to comment on such things

3. Your question would be stupid because they JUST announced that they put out an API for developers to allow 3rd party default apps. It will come with iOS 10 and ONLY if individual developers add support. So you would ask a question that was just addressed and is upcoming

4. Not all great.
 
What we really need is when big cheeses at Apple are interviewed, is that someone does it who's prepared to ask the difficult questions and presses them when they're sidestepped. John Gruber ain't that person. His livelihood depends too much on keeping them sweet. Won't be holding my breath it'll ever happen.
 
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What we really need is when big cheeses at Apple are interviewed, is that someone does it who's prepared to ask the difficult questions and presses them up when they're sidestepped. John Gruber ain't that person. His livelihood depends too much on keeping them sweet. Won't be holding my breath it'll ever happen though.
John wouldn't get these interviews if he was that person. Apple very intentionally does not expose themselves to that kind of situation. It's not like Gruber is not prepared to be critical of Apple because his livelihood depends on it. He just knows what he can get away with in that forum and plays within those boundaries.

If Gruber started asking hardball questions, not only would they not get answered, but there wouldn't be another guest from Apple next year. We should be grateful to Gruber for letting us see the little window that we do. Upset with Apple for being so insanely allergic to public debate. And we should laud their recent open approaches to things like Swift evolution where they are opening up to public debate.

Sometimes it feels like Apple cannot win, and if they cannot win they won't try. We have to direct our frustration to the right places, and not be dismissive of their efforts no matter how relatively minimal they might be.
 
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