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Phil Schiller Discusses 16-Inch MacBook Pro, Says Virtual Esc Key Was Number One Complaint About Touch Bar
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Yeah, there are a variety of ways Apple good fill the gap if they wanted to; Mac mini Pro, Mac Pro mini etc. But there are already three machines splitting a small market share. That doesn’t bode well for a fourth.
Laptops are 80% of sales, and iMac is somewhere between 10-15 of the remaining 20%. So the mini, iMac Pro and Mac Pro are fighting over the remaining 1-2 million machines a year. The only way this even works at all right now is that two of those three models have a high ASP.
Yes there’s a gap, Apple knows there’s a gap, but you’re talking about a niche of a niche. How many of those machines could they sell? 10k/month? 20k/month? Even if it were 50k/month... that’s nothing! Apple’s selling upwards of 1.2 million laptops a month. 4 million iPads. 15 million iPhones. Apple would probably lose money on every super mini/mini Pro unit sold, given ASP, quantity and cannibalization of Mac Pro. There’s nothing wrong with wanting it, but I just don’t see how it could make
That’s my take anyway ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
That is why is supposed to be a Macbook "Pro", which are NOT for the average users. Average users can use the Macbook Air. Most of MacBookPro users actually end upgrading especially the RAM. And as a design, it is quite pathetic that if your SSD goes bad you have to either change the entire Logic board or throw away your computer.
It is just simply BAD...
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Exactly. The Touch Bar is not meant for typing, more for editing. Editing font color, or other text formatting, editing videos, music etc ....
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Just curious. what do you use the escape key for?
I have not used it in months. Just curious about it's functionality.
Interesting. The apple talks is funny “ people love this, love that”. As if we are 8-year olds
On the other hand, it is a great machine and was looking forward to upgrade my 2015 MBP, but ad the screen is not 4K, I will never do it. Cannot understand Why it is not OLED and not 4K?
On the other hand, it is a great machine and was looking forward to upgrade my 2015 MBP, but ad the screen is not 4K, I will never do it. Cannot understand Why it is not OLED and not 4K?
I guess, the famous Phil Schiller "Cannot innovate my Ars anymore" is quite true.
Apple CANNOT INNOVATE!!
Or they are spending all the money in creating content that no one cares.
We never believed you then, we still do NOT believe you now about your Chrome book rant and failure to do a mea culpa for bad keyboard design that took you 4 years to fix.
You are just as unprofessional as it gets.
Apple CANNOT INNOVATE!!
Or they are spending all the money in creating content that no one cares.
We never believed you then, we still do NOT believe you now about your Chrome book rant and failure to do a mea culpa for bad keyboard design that took you 4 years to fix.
You are just as unprofessional as it gets.
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All they would have to do is to build a taller mac mini that can hold a graphic card (that can be changed).
Phil Schiller point is you can't succeed if you're poor, obviously!
Well, for the price of a MacBook you can buy 12 chromebooks to teach kids 🤔. Interpreting further you could also say "only privileged kids with money will succeed".
At least google has Google Classroom that allowed teachers teach online
He should be fired. Nonsense after nonsense...
But then again, Apple computer design has been nonsense after nonsense for the past 3 years.
Well, for the price of a MacBook you can buy 12 chromebooks to teach kids 🤔. Interpreting further you could also say "only privileged kids with money will succeed".
At least google has Google Classroom that allowed teachers teach online
He should be fired. Nonsense after nonsense...
But then again, Apple computer design has been nonsense after nonsense for the past 3 years.
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I was wondering what was my excuse would be to not buy it other than the fact that I don’t want to spend so much money for a device I would only use to edit vacation photos. Thanks.
The most amazing thing about this interview is how they seem to acknowledge that the touchbar only brings benefits to some users, and how, seemingly, they considered ditching it! How amazing would that have been?!?! I'm gutted they only reintroduced the escape key. It looks like this is the best we can ever hope.
Maybe...now that the escape and touchID is separate, they can't just make two versions of the laptop. One without a touchbar?
Maybe...now that the escape and touchID is separate, they can't just make two versions of the laptop. One without a touchbar?
Read: Ive is gone so we can start fixing stuff.
Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller has spoken with CNET's Roger Cheng about the new 16-inch MacBook Pro, reflecting on the new Magic Keyboard, the Touch Bar, and many other aspects of the notebook.
When asked about the redesigned scissor keyboard on the 16-inch MacBook Pro, Schiller acknowledged that the butterfly keyboards on recent MacBook Pro models have received a "mixed reaction" due in part to "some quality issues" that could result in sticky, repeating, or nonfunctional keys.
Schiller says Apple carefully considered customer feedback and found that many professional users wanted the MacBook Pro to have a similar keyboard as the standalone Magic Keyboard for the iMac:Another common request among professionals was to bring back a physical Esc key. Schiller said it was the "number one" complaint about the Touch Bar. To its credit, Apple listened and made the change:When asked if Apple ever plans to merge the Mac and iPad, Schiller insisted the devices will remain separate:Schiller also downplayed the possibility of a touchscreen Mac, as Apple always has.
At the very end of the interview, Schiller takes a shot at Google's Chromebooks in the classroom, describing them as "cheap testing tools" that do not allow kids to succeed. Naturally, Schiller said Apple thinks the iPad is the "ultimate tool" for a child to learn on and be the most engaged.The full interview contains several more questions and answers and is a worthwhile read.
Update: Schiller also sat down with YouTube tech reviewer Jonathan Morrison to discuss the 16-inch MacBook Pro. Notably, Schiller said that Apple is unlikely to bring an SD card slot back to the MacBook Pro. He also said the technology does not exist yet to bring all of the Pro Display XDR features to a MacBook-sized screen.
Well the usb-c cable is loose enough pop out anyway...
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Not really... Chromebooks content creation tools are massively limited. An iPad (with a keyboard) is a far better solution... and a MacBook even better than that.
And despite having google play and Android Apps... they are almost never optimised for a chrome book and just plain don't work well.
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OLED is a quite bad design decision for laptops or PC monitors since OLED always has a burn in effect and computer displays show a static image most of the time.
why waste soo much money... still 720p camera and no wifi6...
will wait to see what they do with the 13" macbook.. i hate the touchbar i guess only macbook air wont have it
will wait to see what they do with the 13" macbook.. i hate the touchbar i guess only macbook air wont have it
Because the screen aspect ratio is 16:10 not 16:9
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I love it - Use it constantly and use better touch tool to customise it.
I’m referring to explicit requests to restore a physical escape key, especially from coders. I’m not talking about sales figure pressure, like larger screens.
And I’m always struck by the phrase “to be honest.” Are you lying the rest of the time? I can’t believe people still use it.
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When’s the last time anyone sat down to dinner with a spork? Sometimes a hybrid actually isn’t as useful.
I adapted to the virtual escape key pretty easily. But my coworkers haven't, and they're now all vying to be the first to get the 16". They felt the lack of any physical deliniation of the key boundaries on the touch bar and the lack of any physical response when tapping it was "disconcerting" to the point that they simple couldn't / wouldn't use it. Their joy over a physical escape key is not about a new & better way to enjoy the touch bar. It's the result of a total and complete lack of any interest or use of the touch bar at all among anyone on the entire team (who all have it, and literally no one uses it). It doesn't help that the virtual escape key is artificially 1/4" to the right of where their muscle memory from old keyboards says it is, so they miss it a lot if they try to hit it without looking.
I love the idea of the touch bar in theory, but in practice I never use it unless I have to (volume, screen brightness, etc...) because I never have any idea what's on it. It's not even pointed at me. I see it from an 80 degree incidence angle. and my hands obscure it when I'm actually using my laptop keyboard. If I'm using my external monitor & external keyboard, it's maybe not even in my field of vision. And that to me is the big problem. It always has cool stuff on it. I love the interactive color sliders. But who knew they were there?
If it were permanently attached to the bottom of my screen, maybe I would notice / use it? I don't know, but we can't afford apple external displays, so that's probably also a non-starter. Maybe if it were at least turned at a partial angle towards me I would notice it. perhaps on the leading edge of the laptop, closer to me than the touch pad?
As for the keyboard, I was fine with it, until the right-arrow key got stuck on and my work laptop became instantly unusable. It took Apple 1.5 weeks to ship a replacement. Now other co-workers are having the same problem. My lead android dev has a space bar that always taps twice and sometimes 3 times, which is what my right-arrow did shortly before getting totally stuck. It frustrates him so much he can't use it. We all use external keyboards. The keyboards on these 15" laptops are a huge risk to the company.
I love the idea of the touch bar in theory, but in practice I never use it unless I have to (volume, screen brightness, etc...) because I never have any idea what's on it. It's not even pointed at me. I see it from an 80 degree incidence angle. and my hands obscure it when I'm actually using my laptop keyboard. If I'm using my external monitor & external keyboard, it's maybe not even in my field of vision. And that to me is the big problem. It always has cool stuff on it. I love the interactive color sliders. But who knew they were there?
If it were permanently attached to the bottom of my screen, maybe I would notice / use it? I don't know, but we can't afford apple external displays, so that's probably also a non-starter. Maybe if it were at least turned at a partial angle towards me I would notice it. perhaps on the leading edge of the laptop, closer to me than the touch pad?
As for the keyboard, I was fine with it, until the right-arrow key got stuck on and my work laptop became instantly unusable. It took Apple 1.5 weeks to ship a replacement. Now other co-workers are having the same problem. My lead android dev has a space bar that always taps twice and sometimes 3 times, which is what my right-arrow did shortly before getting totally stuck. It frustrates him so much he can't use it. We all use external keyboards. The keyboards on these 15" laptops are a huge risk to the company.
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It depends on what you consider a lie and whether it's necessarily bad: people sometimes lie or omit what they would otherwise say in consideration of others' feelings.
Basically it reads as "I'm going to say something you might find rude, I know you might find it rude, but I believe it needs to be said nonetheless.", which I consider quite meaningful information to be conveyed.
The metal casing is now so thin that the wrong downward force on a USB-C plug will cause a flexion/dent in the body of the MacBook Pro.
Chromebooks are better for schools because they are more suited to how schools now do work (entirely cloud based through Google apps in many cases) and have comfortable and usable keyboards. The laptop design is more amenable to work end less to play. iPads are best for content consumption but terrible for assignment work.
I think for Apple to compete well in the education space it has to provide a schooling/business ecosystem a bit like Google does, and also not do vendor lock-in so the schools will not feel pressured to force their families to fork out premium prices for hardware their children will destroy.
Yeah, that was the best hardware feature Apple __ever__ had in their notebooks.
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If only they had listened to their own engineers in the first place... Because, you know, there is absolutely no way that the few technical people they still have on their payroll were excited about that nonsene.
I was going to say the same thing except that I tried two and they really suck.The only way to disconnect safely is to twist the mag connection 90 degrees. If you just accidentally pull it straight out, the usb-c connector plops out. That is, unless you glue it in place.
I thought I wanted the magsafe back. Played around a while with those and I decided it's not for me after all. Luckily a client bought those cables from me.
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New keyboard - good. Larger battery - good. Physical esc key - very good. Moving touchbar further away from the actual keyboard - very good. Possibility to upgrade mem to 64GB - good for some, couldn't care less (especially with Apple prices).
Can't really see any obvious down side on this compared to the previous models. It could have stuff it doesn't, but none of that is a dealbreaker for me. Luckily a client wanted to buy one immediately so ordered one for him and I can get some first hand experience on it while installing it for him. Not going to order one for myself before I'm sure it really IS better than the current one.
I'm not a big fan of the touchbar and 90% of the time it's useless, but every once in a while it provides me something useful - like the ability to hit ctrl-alt-del with just one finger when using Teamviewer to log on to a windows machine. It's been a long time since I've last seen something from Apple that actually made me feel like I might want to buy it. I'm glad they (probably) get it right at least once in a while. Too bad they've let me down so many times I won't dare to pull the trigger before seeing if it really is what they say it is. I fear I still need to recharge my laptop several times a day even with the new version.
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