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Apple's marketing chief Phil Schiller has spoken with CNET's Roger Cheng about the new 16-inch MacBook Pro, reflecting on the new Magic Keyboard, the Touch Bar, and many other aspects of the notebook.

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When asked about the redesigned scissor keyboard on the 16-inch MacBook Pro, Schiller acknowledged that the butterfly keyboards on recent MacBook Pro models have received a "mixed reaction" due in part to "some quality issues" that could result in sticky, repeating, or nonfunctional keys.

Schiller says Apple carefully considered customer feedback and found that many professional users wanted the MacBook Pro to have a similar keyboard as the standalone Magic Keyboard for the iMac:Another common request among professionals was to bring back a physical Esc key. Schiller said it was the "number one" complaint about the Touch Bar. To its credit, Apple listened and made the change:When asked if Apple ever plans to merge the Mac and iPad, Schiller insisted the devices will remain separate:Schiller also downplayed the possibility of a touchscreen Mac, as Apple always has.

At the very end of the interview, Schiller takes a shot at Google's Chromebooks in the classroom, describing them as "cheap testing tools" that do not allow kids to succeed. Naturally, Schiller said Apple thinks the iPad is the "ultimate tool" for a child to learn on and be the most engaged.The full interview contains several more questions and answers and is a worthwhile read.

Update: Schiller also sat down with YouTube tech reviewer Jonathan Morrison to discuss the 16-inch MacBook Pro. Notably, Schiller said that Apple is unlikely to bring an SD card slot back to the MacBook Pro. He also said the technology does not exist yet to bring all of the Pro Display XDR features to a MacBook-sized screen.



Article Link: Phil Schiller Discusses 16-Inch MacBook Pro, Says Virtual Esc Key Was Number One Complaint About Touch Bar
I have no problem with the virtual esc key. It is strange how different people get twisted out of shape different things.
 
It’s so bad I’ve set my caps lock key to be escape
I usually remove and through away the caps lock key on my PC keyboards. I never thought about just mapping it to shift or null.
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I am curious....what does everyone here hit the escape key for? I rarely use it and I spend my days as a creative?

PS Ordered mine as well.
It's used extensively in the terminal... For me "vi".
 
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In the bad
Still the same useless touchbar.
No MAG-SAFE
Is it still the case that RAM and SSD are not user upgradable?
Still soldered components that makes it a disposable appliance?
Still limited to 4 ports. Actually 3 if you use one to plug power.


They really should add MagSafe back as a 5th port and allow charging by MagSafe or USB-C. Best of both worlds there.
 
He’s right on the Chromebook. Chrome is a powerful tool but remains a terrible option for anything creative.

Drawing, video editing, music production, animation and even just your basic document creation* is so much richer on an iPad and combinations of all these technologies can get students to create wonderful results that no web app can hope to come near.


*Pages is a million times better than Word and Docs.
Chromebooks are quickly improving in the creativity arena thanks to support for Linux apps (though still not "full" support).

Regarding productivity, I can use Pages/Keynote/Numbers, Google Docs/Sheets/Slides, LibreOffice, and MS Office on my Pixelbook. I make heavy use of Pages (my preferred WP) and I can do nearly everything on Pages on the Pixelbook as I can on my iMac.
 
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He is completely 100% wrong about Chromebooks in the classroom. He said the iPad works better. OK, just try and write an essay on an iPad. The glass keyboard is not that good. Maybe for very young kids who don't do much reading and writing. You need a real keyboard for real work

Have you ever tried to read a PDF version of a textbook on an iPad? You have to do a LOT of horizontal and vertical scrolling. On the 15" Chromebook the PDF formatted page works well enough.

Chromebooks run real web browsers too.

Finally, my experience is with high school students but if you ask students to do something on a Chromebook they can gt the right to work. But they are not nearly as productive on iPads

The Chromebook is very much like a Mac actually. I prefer them to any Windows 10 PC.

don't know about kids at school, but you clearly didn't read a pdf or any format ebook on an iPad.
 
The Touch Bar was a solution to a problem no one had, or needed. I would love to see the actual numbers on people who actually consider it useful.

It's great for someone like me who does a lot of office productivity work in addition to the creative type stuff as a secondary use. Office is so convenient.
 
They really should add MagSafe back as a 5th port and allow charging by MagSafe or USB-C. Best of both worlds there.

Magsafe has probably saved my laptop a number of times. Which is contrary to the corporate interest. Despite appearances of value the sole interest is probably profit and everything is done to support that objective.
 
Regarding Chromebooks, all I know is that my grandkids hate them. iHaters are saying the Schiller claims that the kids won’t succeed. When I see the interview he’s saying the *Chromebooks* won’t succeed.
 
2 requests (reasons why I am not getting this MacBook).

1- User upgradable RAM and SSD. Why? many reasons. SSD have limited times they can be written. If it goes bad it can be easily replaced. If you need more Space you can upgrade to a larger size (without external drive). Same for the RAM. If you buy a computer with 16 and suddenly for a project you might require 32 or 64, it is quite ridiculous having to upgrade the entire computer. If you buy a car and you want to change the tires you do NOT change the entire car. It is just a lame excuse for Apple to force you to overpay their obscene RAM expensive pricing. A Macbook that you cannot upgrade the RAM or SSD, by any means, cannot be called "Pro".

2- MAG-SAFE!
 
2 requests (reasons why I am not getting this MacBook).

1- User upgradable RAM and SSD. Why? many reasons. SSD have limited times they can be written. If it goes bad it can be easily replaced. If you need more Space you can upgrade to a larger size (without external drive). Same for the RAM. If you buy a computer with 16 and suddenly for a project you might require 32 or 64, it is quite ridiculous having to upgrade the entire computer. If you buy a car and you want to change the tires you do NOT change the entire car. It is just a lame excuse for Apple to force you to overpay their obscene RAM expensive pricing. A Macbook that you cannot upgrade the RAM or SSD, by any means, cannot be called "Pro".

2- MAG-SAFE!

While I agree and wish it was true, I suspect that barn burned down long after the door was closed and horse left to go to cupertino. The car analogy is fine, but you're talking about the transmission and engine, not the tires - you can still do it, but it's a major effort.

Modern SSD durability has pretty much put that issue to bed - the machines likely to be obsolete (either from technology or coffee) before the SSD actually dies.

FWIW, I think it's *absurd* that you can't replace spinning disks in an iMac without pulling the glass - those definitely have a vastly shorter lifespan than an SSD.
 
The moaning, groaning, and hand wringing will obviously continue (after all, this is MacRumors) but how many tech companies redesign a product based on customer feedback? And exploding batteries don’t count.
 
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amazing laptop, I wonder why they keep only a 720P facing camera on it though and does it have FaceID yet?
in what way is it amazing? it's the same as the mediocre offerings for the last 6 years or so......
Regarding Chromebooks, all I know is that my grandkids hate them. iHaters are saying the Schiller claims that the kids won’t succeed. When I see the interview he’s saying the *Chromebooks* won’t succeed.
my pixelbook go is the best day to day machine I’ve used ever.
this is coming from someone with 25 years straight of only owning Apple products.
the 2019 MacBook Pro was the final straw for me. What a heap of junk.
Unfortunately this 16” doesn’t seem much better apart from fixing the awful keyboard.
I can accept limits at $600. At $2500 the thing better be damn impressive. This isn’t.
 
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He is completely 100% wrong about Chromebooks in the classroom. He said the iPad works better. OK, just try and write an essay on an iPad. The glass keyboard is not that good. Maybe for very young kids who don't do much reading and writing. You need a real keyboard for real work

Have you ever tried to read a PDF version of a textbook on an iPad? You have to do a LOT of horizontal and vertical scrolling. On the 15" Chromebook the PDF formatted page works well enough.

Chromebooks run real web browsers too.

Finally, my experience is with high school students but if you ask students to do something on a Chromebook they can gt the right to work. But they are not nearly as productive on iPads

The Chromebook is very much like a Mac actually. I prefer them to any Windows 10 PC.
Can’t disagree more. Chromebooks are a joke. ‘Real work’ needs a keyboard...
Give me an ipad with a pencil every day of the week.
 
The moaning, groaning, and hand wringing will obviously continue (after all, this is MacRumors) but how many tech companies redesign a product based on customer feedback? And exploding batteries don’t count.

I'm not sure they did.

I suspect that the reputational and financial costs, over the long term, with the butterfly keyboards was really the impetus for the change here.
 
Am I too greedy to think we can make room for the Function row AND Touch Bar? I don't care if they add a Touch Bar, just not at the expense of my physical Function keys!
 
Phil Schiller Discusses 16-Inch MacBook Pro, Says A Small Amount Of Users Were Having Trouble With The Virtual Esc Key

Fixed the title for you. ;)
 
All he said was "I can't say today. We are continuing both keyboard designs."

The Air and 13" Pro still use butterfly, so that response is just stating the facts. He says nothing about future designs.

I hope it's quick, because I see 13" sales dropping off until they do.
 
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Wrong.

The #1 complain was “I don’t want a TouchBar and don’t want to buy an outdated machine to avoid it.“
 
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