Phil Schiller Goes on Offensive Against Android and Samsung

[dragje]

apple: I'm better then you and you are not!!

samsung: no you're not, I'm better!

apple: no I'm better!

mother: Appleeeeee?

apple: Yes mom?

mother: Come inside at once and finish your homework

apple: sigh...yes mom....

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This whole apple versus the rest and visa versa discussion about who's better seems so immature to me. Sure, you can have a civilized discussion about the benefits and the disadvantages of a machine but at the end, where it all comes down to, it's the consumer which decides which machine would serve him or her the best based on functionality, prize and durability among various of other requirements that difference between each individual.

Gosh, I even had an uncle who bought a telephone without being able to watch video on it, when he was ask why he didn't bought a model which was capable of showing video he replied with: 'cause I don't want to see video on it, I like to make a call with it'

Just think about it, the answer lies within the simplicity. Phones/Smartphones, either Apple, Samsung or any other manufactory comes with various possibilities simply because you're talking about various devices. There is no such thing as 'this one is the best', it all comes down to what an individual, the consumer, wants at the end. The whole discussion which is better is just an artificial one, creating a presumable fact driven riot about what the consumer should buy because someone else is telling him or her what's best. If the consumer is an adult like me he or so should be capable of deciding what he or she actually need and based on that make a decision. All the manufactories come up with good devices, one that can do a,b,c,f,g and one other that can do b,c,d,e etc.

I'm sure there will be machines out there or in the future being able to do the whole alphabet, but that is not necessary 'the best smarthphone' it's only the best one for that person that really requires such device because he or she apperently need all these possibilities.

That's the nuance.

 

[flux73]

Of course Apple is scared by the GS4. But the iPhone isn't way better like Schiller says. For example, the other day I wanted to send multiple photos from my phone via email. On the iPhone I have to select each one one at a time to attach to my email which is annoying. On the Note 2 I can select as many as I want via check boxes and attach all at once. Viola!

Uh, no. On the iPhone, you click "Edit", select the photos, click "Share", select the method (Mail, Message, Photo Stream, Facebook, Print, or Copy)...Voila!

 

[Fruit Cake]

Of course Apple is scared by the GS4. But the iPhone isn't way better like Schiller says. For example, the other day I wanted to send multiple photos from my phone via email. On the iPhone I have to select each one one at a time to attach to my email which is annoying. On the Note 2 I can select as many as I want via check boxes and attach all at once. Viola!

iPhone does this too.

 

[Nale72]

But the point is that users shouldn't have to search around to figure out what apps are compatible with what.

This shows that you haven't owned an Android phone the last years. You don't have to look for which apps supports your phone or not on Google Play store. The app knows what phone you have and only shows the apps that's compatible with your unit.

If you use the Google Play website however you will see all apps. When you choose to get more info about an app, when you click the buy/download button (and are signed in with your google account) it will show you which of your Android phones (if you have more than one, like we have in our family) are compatible with that app. You can then, from the web site, choose which of your phones you want the app installed on and the app will automatically be downloaded and installed of the phones you have chosen.

For instance Android out of the box never supported PDF, Doc, or even vCard files even though these have been supported in since the second version of iOS or sooner. The next Android version is adding support but how many years have these simple expectations been unavailable with out downloading a special application.

Strange, all the Android phones we have bought in my family (over the years maybe 6-8) have had support for pdf and office documents right out of the box. Maybe that's not the case when it comes to the Nexus phones, who are more "barebone". The reason for this is that the Nexus phones are made to give the user full freedom of choosing which apps they want, and not forcing the different phone makers apps of choice on you.

I understand that this last part is unthinkable for iOS users since freedom of choice when it comes to which app to use for basic functions on the phone isn't supported from Apple.

But customization is hailed as more important than having something so simple.

Customization and options to choose which apps YOU want for YOUR basic functions maybe. Android is open to give their users options to use the apps they want to use, where Apple on the other hand say which apps you should use, because they know better than you what you actually want.

(the last part makes me think of a big country in the east that is no more, where their leaders told their people/users what to do/think and how, not allowing choice)

 

[dreadnort]

How do you backup and restore your note 2? You rebought all of your apps for android? What are you using instead of Photostream, iWork, iCloud, Garageband, iPhoto, Find my phone, Find my Friends, etc. etc.

Sorry, but you're not fooling anyone.

I havent had to re-purchase one app i've already brought, i back up to google. As for things like garageband WTF it's crap, i use iphoto from my S3 on my pro so thats not a valid argument.

 

[Nale72]

The second problem that android has is piracy, I only know 1 person that doesn't pirate android apps all the other users that I know either use only free stuff or pirate away.

On the other hand we have had several Android phones in our family and I know a lot of people (both power users and "normal non-techie" users) and don't know any of those users who have used pirated android apps.

I don't say no Android users use pirated apps, but I bet the majority of them don't. I believe it's almost as usual in the iOS world where the same people that would pirate apps if they were Android users will jailbreak their iOS devices and pirate apps there also.

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Pretty sure you don't know what fragmentation is.

Or maybe you do as you seem to believe the only way to update your os is to buy a new phone.

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What os is the note 2 running? Also just be aware to use the next android version released you will need to buy a note iv

And I'm pretty sure you haven't owned a recent Android device, because if you had you would have known that the above is BS. Android phones get OS updates.

I give you that most "branded" Android phones only get updates to new OS for a period of 1-2 years. iOS phones get OS updates for a longer period of time than most Android phones.

Many users have no clue what OS version they are using and they don't care. Many users have no clue when a new Android OS version, until the phone lets you know that you have a new OS version/update to download. Many users don't own their phones longer than 1-2 and if they do and if they are really interested in having the newest Android version for several years to come thay have the option to buy a Nexus phone and they are covered.

 

[Zwhaler]

iPhone does this too.

Can you explain how? I was doing this today on an iPhone 5 and when I went to my email and attach, I could only do them one at a time. Also, when trying to do this from the photo reel the same thing. Excuse my ignorance on it just works.

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Uh, no. On the iPhone, you click "Edit", select the photos, click "Share", select the method (Mail, Message, Photo Stream, Facebook, Print, or Copy)...Voila!

Good to know, funny I couldn't figure this out on the easier to use iOS platform but thanks.

 

[baryon]

To me, using iOS vs. Android is exactly like using Mac vs. Windows: they both do pretty much everything you need, in a fairly similar way, but using iOS/OS X is more intuitive and fun, while using Android vs. Windows just seems more "corporate" and unintuitive.

Take for example how on Android you want to find where you are on a map. So you go to "Maps" and it displays your location. Say that now you want to get turn by turn navigation to get somewhere else, well you have to quit the app and go into the "Navigation" app, and you have to retype your destination. Last time, my friend didn't realize that those two apps were separate and don't know about each other, and didn't retype the destination (she just typed it in to Maps and then switched to Navigation) and it navigated us to a completely different location, and only in the middle of the journey did she realize that it was going to some place she typed in last time she used Navigation, not the one she just entered in Maps. This kind of thing should not happen today.

 

[Nale72]

What 'features' does android have that you don't? Here's one that you have that Android doesn't. BACKUP and RESTORE! I call that a BIG one!

Agreed, that the one feature I can't understand that Android do not integrate in a similar way like iCloud (but onto Google drive maybe).

On the other hand there are some features I can't understand that iOS do not integrate. Why shouldn't you be allowed to just connect your phone to your computer (via USB, wi-fi or BT) and drag and drop files like on Android? It's crazy that you need to sync your phone with iTunes to get photos and music in mp3 format that you own to your iDevice. It's crazy that when you have synced there, you have no way of manage the information directly on your iDevice.

Why do you have to JB your iOS device to get fast setting toggles in the NC? Why do you have to JB your iOS device to let apps like Truecaller or Whoiscalling do a live online number lookup and let you know who are calling you if you don't have them in your contacts.

 

[dontpannic]

Old versions of Android are there because of a lot of older devices sold in the developing world never intended to be upgraded.

So the US and the UK are classed as the developing world are they?

There are still phones being sold in these markets with Android 2.3 which although capable of better things won't be upgraded.

The iPhone 3GS, which shipped with iPhone OS3, can still be upgraded to iOS6. That's 3 years worth of updates all available on launch day.

Only the Nexus devices get the firmware upgrades on (or close to) launch day. All other Android devices have to wait for the manufacturer to modify the OS, then the carrier to modify the OS and make it available for download.

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So what some magically everyday stuff does a Mac pisses on a PC?

Intel Xeon quad core 3.6Ghz, high end nVidia GPU - Windows 7.

Converting an MKV file to an MP4. Average - 18fps

Intel Core i5 2.4Ghz, Intel HD3000 GPU - OSX Mountain Lion

Converting the same MKV file to an MP4. Average - 45fps

Windows 7 PC - Uptime - 4 days (restarted itself after doing the weekly Windows Updates

Macbook Pro - Uptime - 89 days (reset after I let the battery run out)

OSX - Intuitive multitouch gestures

Windows 7 - just about has two finger scroll

I can go on and perform tasks on both and take readings if you like?

 

[ikir]

I've an android smartphone as a second number after my iphone. After reading all the hype about android i decided to buy that one, a cheap LG instead of using my old iPhone 3G... and... hardware is TERRIBLE but it is ok since it is a quite cheap hardware... but the problem is android: it is a total crap. native email client sucks, it even can0t manage sent/draft and trash folder on imap servers, the wizard is incredible bad written and stupid, performance are terrible, users interface it is a joke.
I'm a long time iphone user so i was thinking it would be hard to get used to android at beginning... but it is not the problem, the problem is android is simply for idiots or who wants cheap smartphones or geek who hates apple and love to use comand line tool on a telephone.

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Of course Apple is scared by the GS4. But the iPhone isn't way better like Schiller says. For example, the other day I wanted to send multiple photos from my phone via email. On the iPhone I have to select each one one at a time to attach to my email which is annoying. On the Note 2 I can select as many as I want via check boxes and attach all at once. Viola!

Lies, you can select multiple images to send from "images" of you can just copy and paste, genius.

 

[Nale72]

How do you backup and restore your note 2?

You have all your contacts, e-mails, reminders etc. backed up through your google account and those will automatically restore when you log in with the same account on your new Android device (or if you restore it). All your music, photos and possible files are stored on your sd card if your device has one. If you don't have a sd card you can connect your phone to your computer and drag and drop them to your computer and then back to your device when getting a new or having restored.

I agree that the backup functions are superior on iOS though.

You rebought all of your apps for android?

You haven't owned a recent Android device have you? Don't believe anything you hear from Android haters and certainly don't spread that kind of BS around as truths.

The apps you have bought/downloaded with your google account will automatically download and install on your new (or newly restored) device. If you enter the the Google Play store and try to buy an app you have already bought you can't, because it will know you have already bought it.

What are you using instead of Photostream, iWork, iCloud, Garageband, iPhoto, Find my phone, Find my Friends, etc. etc.

Those might not be available on Google Play store, but besides iCloud I'm pretty sure there are similar apps. This is one way that Apple try to lock their users into their "eco system" making it hard/annoying to switch to Android if the users are depending of iOS specific apps.

Google on the other hand believe in freedom of choice and all (i think) the apps that you might use on an Android device for backup, e-mail, calendar, contacts, navigation, storage etc. are also available on iOS. This makes it possible to very easily go from Android to iOS. Maybe it's stupid in a way not to lock your users in as Apple does. But I belive it's sound to let the users choose what they want and not tell them what they want and not letting them out when you have gotten them to your side.

Sorry, but you're not fooling anyone.

And I truly hope that you're not fooling anyone with your untruths.

 

[Bantz]

To me, using iOS vs. Android is exactly like using Mac vs. Windows: they both do pretty much everything you need, in a fairly similar way, but using iOS/OS X is more intuitive and fun, while using Android vs. Windows just seems more "corporate" and unintuitive.

Take for example how on Android you want to find where you are on a map. So you go to "Maps" and it displays your location. Say that now you want to get turn by turn navigation to get somewhere else, well you have to quit the app and go into the "Navigation" app, and you have to retype your destination. Last time, my friend didn't realize that those two apps were separate and don't know about each other, and didn't retype the destination (she just typed it in to Maps and then switched to Navigation) and it navigated us to a completely different location, and only in the middle of the journey did she realize that it was going to some place she typed in last time she used Navigation, not the one she just entered in Maps. This kind of thing should not happen today.

No you dont, you open google maps.
Click the Navigation Icon at the bottom
Say where you want to go and if you are using the bus, walking or driving
Then click navigate.
At no point do you have to leave the maps application.
Please dont spread more lies, this thread is bad enough already.

 

[flooce]

My first smartphone was the Galaxy Nexus and it is currently running on Android 4.2.2. I consciously choose Android 4 over iOS 5/6 and spend hours comparing. There are always ups and downs, Android 4 is a great system, the iPhone is an amazing phone. Notification center and Widgets sold me, but ironically I spent most of the time using the apps, not the OS.

The phone and software from the same hand approach is definitely nice, I like my "Google" phone with the original stock Android. Would only go or Nexus for exactly that reason! Maybe next time an iPhone, the hardware (durability, camera) is simply better, the Unix based system better.

Conclusion: Either way, as an informed consumer I feel the best choice is either the Phone/Software by Google or Phone/Software by Apple combination.

 

[Bantz]

Agreed, that the one feature I can't understand that Android do not integrate in a similar way like iCloud (but onto Google drive maybe).

On the other hand there are some features I can't understand that iOS do not integrate. Why shouldn't you be allowed to just connect your phone to your computer (via USB, wi-fi or BT) and drag and drop files like on Android? It's crazy that you need to sync your phone with iTunes to get photos and music in mp3 format that you own to your iDevice. It's crazy that when you have synced there, you have no way of manage the information directly on your iDevice.

Why do you have to JB your iOS device to get fast setting toggles in the NC? Why do you have to JB your iOS device to let apps like Truecaller or Whoiscalling do a live online number lookup and let you know who are calling you if you don't have them in your contacts.

Android has done the online backup since day 1. Contacts, emails, calander and apps are all backed up to Google. If you want files backing up using Google Drive. Android is so far ahead of icloud and has been since it launched. Dont believe the original poster he was lying.

 

[Nale72]

Only the Nexus devices get the firmware upgrades on (or close to) launch day. All other Android devices have to wait for the manufacturer to modify the OS, then the carrier to modify the OS and make it available for download.

Agreed, but that's not Androids of Google's fault. Well maybe indirectly because they give the manufacturers the option to customize the OS.

But it is really the different manufacturers (Samsung, HTC, Sony, Huawei, LG Motorola etc.) fault. They have an option to release their phones with stock/vanilla Android OS. If they did those phones could be upgraded pretty much on launch day also. But Google let them customize the OS to their liking, giving them a choice (I know, almost unknown in the iOS world, but I believe this is a good thing).

The users also have a choice. They can buy a branded Android device and accept that the device will probably only get new OS versions for 1-2 years (plus smaller OS updates/bug fixes) and accept that it will take some time to get the newest OS version after release because the manufacturer have to "convert" the new OS to "their flavor". But most users don't mind, most users don't know which OS version they have.

If they care very much and "need" to get the newest version when it releases, they can. Then they have the option to buy a Nexus phone.

So yes, in one way it's more complex to buy a Android phone because you have a choice. You don't have someone saying "this is what you should have and this is how it have to work". Some seem to think free choice is good, some seem to think free choice is bad.

I believe it's good and I believe that you should try both before you say something bad about "the other side". That's why I now are using a iPhone 5 after being a long time Android user. Will my next phone be an iPhone? Maybe, maybe not. I have not locked myself into the iOS "eco system" and are still using the Google services for most crucial things, so I have a choice when it's time to choose phone the next time.

In the family we still have two Android phones, two other iPhones and one iPad. The both OS's have their advantages and disadvantages and suits different people best. I don't believe you can say that one OS is better than the other, for everyone. But then again, isn't it nice we have a choice?

 

[MacUser5]

This sounds of desperation! Schiller and Apple are scared and they have good reason to be.

 

[roadbloc]

Yeah. Cause everybody wants an iPhone don't they Mr Schiller?

 

[gpat]

That's so sad on Apple's part. One time, the CEO brought up from his pocket this tiny device called an iPhone 4 and I was completely smitten. Now all he can do is trash talk ignoring the real problem and hoping to delude somebody.

Sigh.

 

[Nale72]

Android has done the online backup since day 1. Contacts, emails, calander and apps are all backed up to Google. If you want files backing up using Google Drive. Android is so far ahead of icloud and has been since it launched. Dont believe the original poster he was lying.

I know, many things are backed up and i love Google Drive etc. I still believe that the iOS backup is better (even though I know that the backup on Android isn't non-existent like many want to make believe) in the way it gives you a full backup of your whole system. You get a backup of all app data, all of you mail account info (if you like me use several pop mail accounts in the mail app) and app settings.

The only way I know of that you can get the same on an Android phone is if you root it and that way can get a full Nand system backup.

For many users I agree that the difference in OS backup solutions aren't that big. But the more apps you use and the more e-mail accounts and other things you use, I believe the iOS backup is superior. At least that's my personal belief. But once again, it doesn't have to be like that for anyone.

 

[SILen(e]

But they published their gestures over a year before Apple tried to patent - which invalidates the application.

DUDE!

Apple OWNS FingerWorks!

They bought the company years ago.

Apple owns all of FingerWorks patents!

 

[MacDav]

Phil got you guys all wild up right before Samsung's big dance tomorrow. Just remember guys that we're only in the first quarter of the year and Android already has at least 4 flagships (HTC One, Sony Xperia Z, LG Optimus G Pro, Samsung S4) announced. I'm going to be kicking back laughing when more Android flagships come out during the iPhone 5s and iOS6s launch party. Nexus 5, Motorola X and the big daddy Note 3 will eat away any iPhone momentum.

I LOVE ANDROID FRAGMENTATION. Exactly why Android is number one. The Apple suits and fanbois are too blind to see it.

Your thought for the day..."More is not better".

 

[MisterK]

In my eyes, Apple is at its best when they seem magical – above what's going on in the rest of the tech industry. Separate and apart from the noise of CES and attack ads; just remaining quiet and then... boom: another history-making device. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if they had written down "magical" on all their whiteboards . They should give the illusion of beautiful sorcery. Once in a while Steve Jobs would come down from their tower and make a few comments, but that's it. I agree with M.G. Siegler when he says that it was dumb of Phil Schiller to say negative stuff the day before the Samsung release. It does make Apple look afraid and vulnerable. The uncertain popular guy picks on the little kid at school. The confident popular guy doesn't give a **** about the little kid at school. Apple needs to do their thing, be audacious in their goal-setting, and otherwise not give a **** about Samsung. Beat them with confidence. Usain Bolt doesn't look over his shoulder when he's running. He's just always gunning full speed down the track.

 

[devilstrider]

So what you are saying is you still pirate on Android, just not as much.

Maybe if you had used those services, you would have had a better experience on iOS.

No I buy all my apps on android because I can try before I buy.

 

[Apple Knowledge Navigator]

What was it that Steve Jobs said in 1997?

"This isn't a war. If Apple wants to be successful, then Apple has to do a really good job. And if we fail, that's no-one else's fault but ours".

Quit yappin' Phil and get back to work!