Dude, have you seen this from 2010?
http://www.cultofmac.com/56138/apple-thinks-touchscreen-imac-ergonomics-in-new-patent/
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Phil Schiller Says Apple Tested and Rejected Touch Screen Macs, Finding It 'Absurd' on a Desktop
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Dude, have you seen this from 2010?
http://www.cultofmac.com/56138/apple-thinks-touchscreen-imac-ergonomics-in-new-patent/
Yup, would be refreshing to see Apple's tired old management line-up put out to pasture.
They're complacent and out of ideas.
Tell that to the iPad Pro with keyboard. I see you own one. I Use the keyboard alongside the touch screen all the time.
whereas a touch bar on a laptop makes perfect sense
Hahahaha exactly. BOTH touchscreens and touch bars are absurd.
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f users wanted a touch screen, they can buy an iPad.
Pro users don't want a touch bar, at least give us a 15" option with no touch bar.
Phil is one short of a pea in a pod.
We're still stuck in this legacy only because of the "L" shaped design. of a laptop.. and desktop screens at an 90 degree angle so of course it doesn't make "much sense" BUT use it like a tablet like a bigger screen that runs OS X like an iPad style tablet, and suddenly, its will be ok,,.. but then obviously it won't be restricted like a tablet is. but that would be a "different" concept in that Apple could say "Yes!!"
We're still stuck in this legacy only because of the "L" shaped design. of a laptop.. and desktop screens at an 90 degree angle so of course it doesn't make "much sense" BUT use it like a tablet like a bigger screen that runs OS X like an iPad style tablet, and suddenly, its will be ok,,.. but then obviously it won't be restricted like a tablet is. but that would be a "different" concept in that Apple could say "Yes!!"
If/when Apple does it, it'll all of the sudden be magical.
I was playing around with the big surface the other day, and the screen is truly amazing. It being windows the puck thing stopped working and the touch tracking was kind of flaky.
That said, the puck is a great idea. People are used to constrained real estate. What happens when you have so much screen you can ignore those limits? What happens to the UI when you don't need to throw a mouse pointer to the top of the screen?
Even the iPad and iPhone are constrained by the UI desktop designs; the menus are on the top and bottom and not necessarily where your hands are.
Touch doesn't work for the way Macs are today...but Macs today aren't necessarily going to be the Macs of the future unless Apple has completely lost it.
That said, the puck is a great idea. People are used to constrained real estate. What happens when you have so much screen you can ignore those limits? What happens to the UI when you don't need to throw a mouse pointer to the top of the screen?
Even the iPad and iPhone are constrained by the UI desktop designs; the menus are on the top and bottom and not necessarily where your hands are.
Touch doesn't work for the way Macs are today...but Macs today aren't necessarily going to be the Macs of the future unless Apple has completely lost it.
Just keep him the 'eff away from software UI design. I really can't stand the flat playschool look of his UI.
Nobody uses a touch screen on a desktop. The problem is that Apple puts laptop parts in their desktops.
[doublepost=1479182235][/doublepost]If you try to optimize for touch, you end up with crap like Windows 8 or 10.
Time for Cook and gang to retire and bring in some fresh new talent. Yes its thinner and the screen is better, bigger trackpad (still don't get that one) and your new Touchbar, But it's still the same old MBP and it took you 4+ years to come out with this? Yes maybe Intel slowed you up. Wait till more people get there's and post reviews. From the 13" I used at the local store, No Thank you. Didn't Tim say we have something special?
Thank GOD for the refurbished section.
Thank GOD for the refurbished section.
OSX would never work on a 27" touchscreen. How absurd. No one would make such a thing. How unusable and useless. No one would pay thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for the experience, and no one would do true professional work on it.
Please just keep buying our existing products forever.
SO WHY DON'T YOUR STORES HAVE DEMO VERSIONS?
Seriously, whats the point of having your own network or stores if a) they don't even have demo versions the product that you're trying to sell, even WEEKS after it was announced and went on sale b) your salespeople can't tell potential customers anything about the products (including when they might be receiving demo versions).
Schiller seems to be acknowledging that this lack of demo-ability has been a contributing factor into the panning that these machines are getting in the press.... way to admit culpability, I assume that he is asking the head of marketing to resign then, right?
Sadly, everything you said is very true. I've been waited with baited breath for that "special" iMac update since late 2010.
Nothing happened of course and so called new iMacs still look the same (- superdrive).
I guess I will hold on to my ageing late 2009 i7, 27" iMac until it dies and move on to Windows...
Phil really has to go!!!
It is interesting that the only images of touch screen operation feature artwork/drawing. There is no doubt there is a niche use but I still don't get why some people think yeah, every Apple device should use touch screens. It WILL add to the base price for everyone, most of whom wouldn't use it even if macOS was redesigned around that paradigm. Face it, touch based interfaces aren't the answer to everything. If you want a tablet, get a tablet. If you have a niche use, don't demand Apple integrate something so few would use. I want a MacBook that is also a tire pump but that wouldn't make sense for most other MacBook customers. IF you are an artist and want to draw, a dedicated Wacom (as pictured in your post) probably would serve artists better (or maybe an iPad depending on need).
OSX would never work on a 27" touchscreen. How absurd. No one would make such a thing. How unusable and useless. No one would pay thousands and thousands and thousands of dollars for the experience, and no one would do true professional work on it.
Please just keep buying our existing products forever.
whereas a touch bar on a laptop makes perfect sense
You've never used the touch bar on the new MacBook Pro have you... I have and I'm already seeing some of the benefits and potential applications in the future.
The biggest truth posted on this website.
ok how about a little bit of truth, instead of apple's lies. here's what's ACTUALLY going on:
1. if apple releases touch screen macbooks, there will be an immediate need/demand for keyboards that fold over so that the screen itself can become the interface (ie: it turns into a tablet). The key is that , unlike other demands (such as more ram) the outcry for this will be far and wide and impossible for apple to ignore.
2. Once apple takes this step, as they inevitably will have to given the significant demand that will be generated for it, it will eat into ipad sales.
3. Because: the product that apple refuses to make , the one that the market is craving for, is a super high end ipad that can double as a laptop. These are WILDLY popular on the windows side. It's what saved the surface from being a dinosaur relegated to history to actually being a viable competitor to the macbook/ipad.
But what comes next is the REAL reason apple refuses to make a touchscreen macbook:
4. But here's the end game that's the even bigger picture that apple is desperately hoping people don't figure out: if a mobile mac ever becomes touch ready, and especially if the screen folds over and it starts to generate an ipad like feel, it will immediately become painfully obvious to the masses that they have full access/root access to their device if they buy a mac, but very limited access to their device and its hard drive if they buy an ipad, which will only further diminish ipad sales. It will also create painfully uncomfortable questions for apple, by both the media and the public at large, about why it's necessary to prevent root access to a mobile touch screen device like an ipad, but allow it on a macbook.
Schiller is a complete and total liar. He always has been. This has nothing to do with whether or not a touch screen is viable. It has everything to do with perpetuating this ridiculous ruse that you should not have root access to your ipad or mobile device.
And with this move, along with the stupidity of a "pro" laptop that doesn't go beyond 16 gigs of ram (and with the removal of 17" laptops, the devaluation of the pro line in general, the removal of the xServe, the demotion of osX server and so much more...), people are finally starting to ask, in large quantities: who the hell does apple think they are to decide what is right for us or what we need?
indeed, apple, who the hell do you think you are?
1. if apple releases touch screen macbooks, there will be an immediate need/demand for keyboards that fold over so that the screen itself can become the interface (ie: it turns into a tablet). The key is that , unlike other demands (such as more ram) the outcry for this will be far and wide and impossible for apple to ignore.
2. Once apple takes this step, as they inevitably will have to given the significant demand that will be generated for it, it will eat into ipad sales.
3. Because: the product that apple refuses to make , the one that the market is craving for, is a super high end ipad that can double as a laptop. These are WILDLY popular on the windows side. It's what saved the surface from being a dinosaur relegated to history to actually being a viable competitor to the macbook/ipad.
But what comes next is the REAL reason apple refuses to make a touchscreen macbook:
4. But here's the end game that's the even bigger picture that apple is desperately hoping people don't figure out: if a mobile mac ever becomes touch ready, and especially if the screen folds over and it starts to generate an ipad like feel, it will immediately become painfully obvious to the masses that they have full access/root access to their device if they buy a mac, but very limited access to their device and its hard drive if they buy an ipad, which will only further diminish ipad sales. It will also create painfully uncomfortable questions for apple, by both the media and the public at large, about why it's necessary to prevent root access to a mobile touch screen device like an ipad, but allow it on a macbook.
Schiller is a complete and total liar. He always has been. This has nothing to do with whether or not a touch screen is viable. It has everything to do with perpetuating this ridiculous ruse that you should not have root access to your ipad or mobile device.
And with this move, along with the stupidity of a "pro" laptop that doesn't go beyond 16 gigs of ram (and with the removal of 17" laptops, the devaluation of the pro line in general, the removal of the xServe, the demotion of osX server and so much more...), people are finally starting to ask, in large quantities: who the hell does apple think they are to decide what is right for us or what we need?
indeed, apple, who the hell do you think you are?