Have you read the statements of Phil this night when in talks with Gruber? I bet the new Macbook will receive at least one additional port soon.
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Phil Schiller Talks 16 GB iPhones and Thinness vs Battery Life Tradeoffs
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Have you read the statements of Phil this night when in talks with Gruber? I bet the new Macbook will receive at least one additional port soon.
But wait, the iPhone 7 will be even thinner! I keep saying we are marching toward the iSheet. I'm sure we'll still have fools tell us how making the battery bigger will make the phone oh so much heavier.
This arguememt is just silly... People shouldn't have to make choices about how many and what size apps they load on their devices? With this logic, your device should have unlimited internal storage? "I want all my apps, every single one of them, with me at all times..." This is the same discussion people were having years ago about iPod storage limitations. As in, "I've got 2000 CDs, and I want all of them with me, all the time... In case there's that one time, I want to listen to that one song... Damn you Apple for not giving me that option!"
I think Schillers point is that not everyone who has an iPhone is a power user like we, Macrumors members. I did make the jump to 64 gig with my 6. But my wife... Still happily sailing along at 8.8 gigs on her her 5s... 20 apps that she uses regularly (besides the "can't delete Apple apps" but that's another gripe), few songs because she streams and some pictures... A lot of people I know are like that... I think the biggest obstacle most people have is taking pictures, as was mentioned earlier...
But this arguememt that people shouldn't have to make choices, meh, that's simple economics.
Sure, but if you just add more USB ports it would fit with normal everyday use. As it is now, who is it good for? The person with a single peripheral that never grows to have additional USB tech items? Who exactly is that? I would bet most folks who get MacBook Pros also have many other USB devices. These days people have GoPros, phones, multiple phones, USB mice, etc.
Bold, taking risks and aggressive? Sure, but don't forget to add dumb to the list of things that this is. If so thin and so portable is important, get a tablet. The Macbook pro line shouldn't be pushed in such a minimalistic direction.
I disagree. I've never seen my mom plug anything into ANY port of her laptop other than the charger since she got it.
It gives her the extended use of a computer (as some things she does she can't do with just a tablet), but at the same time she has something super portable, super beautiful and easy to read, and yet is just as comfortable as if she had an iPad.
Heck, I considered getting one and just buying an adapter, because about 80% of what I do is handled wirelessly, and I do "Pro" work.
Maybe said earlier in the thread, but Marketing 101: "Sell what you have NOW, not what you'll have next year."
Of course Phil is going to support what products they have right now, and maybe he (and Apple) truly believe what he's saying, but he can't very well sit there and say, "Yeah, 16GB sucks, we'll fix it in the next iPhone." Even though, much of the technology introduced for iOS 9 basically say that many people are having space issues with 16GB as it is. Just as Steve Jobs in the day said nobody would ever watch video on such a small screen, before Apple released the video iPod. Sell what you have now.
Is the MB12 the best machine...ever? No, but it's a beachhead to the next generation of systems. USB Type-C is going to be on your next Mac and hopefully Intel will ship TB3 quickly so that can be integrated into the connector as well.
It's not the machine for heavy, processor intensive users, but low end machines never were. The first MacBook Air wasn't that great of a machine either, but it did allow Apple to create and perfect a process that eventually was used all future MBPr after that. I suspect, in the case of the MB12, it's the new battery layering technology that's going to be migrated upwards.
Oh, and that new Keyboard with some slight tweaking to make the throw a little deeper.
Of course Phil is going to support what products they have right now, and maybe he (and Apple) truly believe what he's saying, but he can't very well sit there and say, "Yeah, 16GB sucks, we'll fix it in the next iPhone." Even though, much of the technology introduced for iOS 9 basically say that many people are having space issues with 16GB as it is. Just as Steve Jobs in the day said nobody would ever watch video on such a small screen, before Apple released the video iPod. Sell what you have now.
Is the MB12 the best machine...ever? No, but it's a beachhead to the next generation of systems. USB Type-C is going to be on your next Mac and hopefully Intel will ship TB3 quickly so that can be integrated into the connector as well.
It's not the machine for heavy, processor intensive users, but low end machines never were. The first MacBook Air wasn't that great of a machine either, but it did allow Apple to create and perfect a process that eventually was used all future MBPr after that. I suspect, in the case of the MB12, it's the new battery layering technology that's going to be migrated upwards.
Oh, and that new Keyboard with some slight tweaking to make the throw a little deeper.
8 years later and we are still on 16GB phones. This is ridiculous. With Apple's clout to single handedly bring down storage prices, we should be looking at 64, 128, and 256GB phones easily.
It's clear to me know that Apple intends to extend their market profitability for as long as possible. The other tech company to do this was Microsoft. They extended Windows on desktops for as long as they could because the profits were so gigantic, and we didn't see much technology change for more than a decade.
It's clear to me know that Apple intends to extend their market profitability for as long as possible. The other tech company to do this was Microsoft. They extended Windows on desktops for as long as they could because the profits were so gigantic, and we didn't see much technology change for more than a decade.
Apple's OS is getting huge and taking up a bigger thumb print for local storage. Just telling people to use the cloud more isn't a solution. I think everyone can agree that they need a bump in local storage.
As for thinness vs battery. Let's swing the pendulum back to getting more battery over creating the thinnest thing in the world.
As for thinness vs battery. Let's swing the pendulum back to getting more battery over creating the thinnest thing in the world.
You are not everybody either. Stop acting like a snob.
I have 1000 pics and 30 videos that take up 8gb alone, 600 or so songs that takes up 3gb. That right there fills up a 16gb iPhone.
I guess no one stores email history on their iPhone or load ram hungry apps...
This should make it easier for Apple to sift through their iPhone consumers data on THEIR cloud services...
One leg up from Google...
This should make it easier for Apple to sift through their iPhone consumers data on THEIR cloud services...
One leg up from Google...
Jesus that really puts it into perspective. the cost difference now between 16GB/32GB has to literally be a dollar or something. They claim to stand for the consumer and yet are making so much profit that they currently have more money than most small countries.
And the Apple fanatics cheer as they hear how much money they're making. God I feel stupid looking back, like I was in some sort of cult.
With this, the advent of lower-performing computer hardware than the equivalent generation 3 years ago, 8GB phone models in 2015, outdated machines, sketchy cloud services that seem to have regular outages, buggy software that has a world of issues on Mail and Wi-Fi (while a Chromebook could connect to Wi-Fi just fine and Thunderbird has absolutely no Mail problems) ... oh boy and so many other issues ...
We defend the hardware decisions and the deliberate planned obsolescence because as consumers we have a 'choice' in not getting the crappy models. Yet Apple claim to make the right choices for us. I don't think this is the case.
And we cheer and defend them while they have nearly a trillion dollars.
So this is how liberty dies. With thunderous applause.
Ha, good one...
Well, I have no issues with the Note's software.
In fact, last month I bought iPhone 6+ gold to see if I like it more. And while I liked it: mainly industrial design and simplicity of OS, at the end I returned it. To me Galaxy Note is more balanced and more powerful phone in terms of hardware. In terms of software, Android has more features and more customizable.
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Try about $0.50-$3 per phone at the MOST. Going from a 16 to 32 USB 3.0 flash drive on amazon is $5. Now buy those in hundreds of millions wholesale and it's DIRT cheap.
This guy is a sleaze. But whatever. I went with 128gb in my iPhone 6 and couldn't be happier. Is it overpriced? Yes. Is it still worth the extra $200? Somehow? Yes. I don't defend apple and their terrible pricing. 32gb should have been the base a long time ago. But I've accepted the fact that all companies and their execs are greedy. What else is new.
I'd like to get on that iCloud where all my photos aren't automatically downloaded to all my devices. I like 99% of what iCloud Photos offers, but not being able to delete photos or videos from my phone to save storage space is a bit old. Dropbox has been doing this for as long as I can remember. Figure something out where you can delete them from your device, but still be able to view them from the cloud.
Don't get me wrong I love apple. But with me being in I.T and a System administrator it really saddens me that Apple talks to everyone like they are idiots and don't know about technology.
this line here is so BS. in this day in age a 32 GB chip if not even a 64 GB chip is ether the same price or a few dollars more.
I am really starting to see why most Techs hate apple because they have a habit of insulting your intelligence.
this line here is so BS. in this day in age a 32 GB chip if not even a 64 GB chip is ether the same price or a few dollars more.
I am really starting to see why most Techs hate apple because they have a habit of insulting your intelligence.
I bought the MacBook 12" for my fiance who needed something light and portable to type patient notes on the go in treatment sessions. We were going in thinking we would buy the MacBoook air 11" for sure, but the taller screen, retina display swayed us to go with the MacBook 12". USB-C hasn't been too terrible, but I would admit that since she must save the patient notes on an external work-provided USB, that 2 USB-C ports would have been nice.
Also, the MacBook 12 starts at 8gb ram and 256 GB hard drive while the MacBook Air 11" starts at 4 gb ram and 128 GB hard drive.
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Why not let the consumer decide for themselves if they want it or not?
Personally, I am tempted by the Macbook. As a teacher, I don't really do anything heavy on my laptop (currently using a 2012 11" MBA) so I am not really disturbed by the Core M processor. I always appreciate a thinner, lighter device. I use an Apple TV in my classroom, so that negates the need for an adaptor. I move most of my files via cloud storage. I really like the retina display, but am not prepared to splash on a new laptop yet. At any rate, I just replaced the 64gb SSD in my MBA with a 240 gb one, so that should future proof me for another 2-3 years.
I would be one person for whom the limitations of the Macbook don't really apply to.
Then it seems the problem is a person getting a 16gb phone when he knows very well he is going to fill it with photos and media content. The existence of a 16gb iPhone by no means prevents me from getting a model with more storage space, so what exactly is the problem here again?
It's funny (read not funny at all) how out of touch Schiller and Apple's Executive staff is with this stuff. I do agree about the Macbook, and I wouldn't be surprised if the next version has 2 usb ports, but this 16g and store your stuff in the cloud is just BS. I love Apple's products, don't get me wrong, I have 4 of their computers, 3 iphone's, an iPad and an apple watch. But break it down, approx 75 local songs takes up a gig or more, a few apps including some games there goes 4 gb. Take some pictures, there's another gb or two. Remember you only get about 11 gigs free on 16 gb phone. Take those songs and pics to the cloud, and unless you have unlimited data, which I would guess at least 90 percent of people DON'T. You'll go over your data limit in 2 weeks minimum. It's just bs when you consider that relatively speaking upping the minimum to 32g would not have any real impact on their bottom line. I don't want to have unlimited space on a phone, but I really shouldn't have to delete stuff to make room for other things almost every day either. 32 is a decent compromise and should be the minimum.
the next phone release will most likely still have 16GB as the starting point...Apple went over OS thinning and App thinning at WWDC. they know it is an issue for space and making some adjustments to allow for more personal usage of that space.
I don't do much with iCloud or cloud services because...I don't want to eat up all my data.
and of course Phil would say everything Apple makes is fine and they are always pushing the envelope. did anyone really expect to hear "gosh, you're right, 16GB is too small, we messed up." or "we probably should have included more ports and have that planned for the next release." NO. this is what a VP is going to say.
I don't do much with iCloud or cloud services because...I don't want to eat up all my data.
and of course Phil would say everything Apple makes is fine and they are always pushing the envelope. did anyone really expect to hear "gosh, you're right, 16GB is too small, we messed up." or "we probably should have included more ports and have that planned for the next release." NO. this is what a VP is going to say.
I get base storage with each new phone and I'm none of these things. What exactly is "truly using" a smart phone?
Schiller believes we no longer need vast amounts of local storage as everything moves to the cloud?
Schiller believes wrong. Very wrong. Unless Apple is going to provide free, unlimited data for every iPhone and iPad user, few are relying on the cloud for mobile storage devices.
Schiller believes wrong. Very wrong. Unless Apple is going to provide free, unlimited data for every iPhone and iPad user, few are relying on the cloud for mobile storage devices.
Gruber suggested to Schiller that the Cupertino company's iOS devices should come with larger storage capacities on the low end, as the 16 GB of storage provided in the base iPhone 6 or 6 Plus is harder to live with with the current size of apps. Schiller countered that services like iCloud could make up the difference.
Schiller also said that using 16 GB storage for lower-end models allows Apple to save money for use on higher-end components in other parts of the device, like the camera.
Apple should reboot the iPhone "C" model as the iPhone "C"loud. 1 model w/ 16GB similar styling and build materials as the iPod Touch. Discrete truth in advertising that 16GB isn't enough storage in 2015 without making a compromise.
I didn't agree with this a few months back when the MacBook was first announced. But now I do. I haven't owned a Laptop in 3 years and I only use an iPad Air 2 with LTE on the go and although iCloud isn't perfect, I think once the Apple gets iCloud services more seamless, there will really be no need for ports at all. Im happy.. 