PhoneBuff Samsung Note 8 vs iPhone 8 plus speed test [MERGED]

DNichter said:
I thought these tests didn't mean anything? Haha to be honest though, likely just a ram management issue on 11.0. I would be interested to see if 11.0.1 or 11.1 fixes this.
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11.0.1 is still a mess sadly. hopefully 11.1 will contain a fix.

I’m considering downgrading my iPad to 10.3 but at the same time it’s a freakin hassle.
 
acorntoy said:
11.0.1 is still a mess sadly. hopefully 11.1 will contain a fix.

I’m considering downgrading my iPad to 10.3 but at the same time it’s a freakin hassle.
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I am on 11.1 and don't have many issues, but I wasn't running into problems with 11.0 or 11.0.1. What problems specifically?
 
DNichter said:
I am on 11.1 and don't have many issues, but I wasn't running into problems with 11.0 or 11.0.1. What problems specifically?
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Apps will just randomly freeze for a second or two. Every time I unlock, you must wait several seconds to actually be able to click anything the home screen is showing. Sometimes the devic won’t turn on after I lock it and I have to hard reset. It’s honestly almost unusable :( Last night when I was watching a movie picture in picture in safari, when you would unlock, the video would play, but it would be at an -extremely- slow framerate so you could see everything juddering, and it continued to do so until several seconds later when the screen actually let me use it again. This never happened on iOS 10.
 
sdwaltz said:
I'm not entirely sure, but what I do know is that many many people who love and use iPhones/Apple products have used the results of these tests to shout from the mountaintops that they have the fastest phone on the planet, regardless of specs.

Now that we get a result we don't like, we can't say "WTF, this proves nothing!"
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Wrong.

iPhone users and supporters use actual benchmarks. Not one-off youtubers looking for clicks and running fake tests like app openings.
 
acorntoy said:
Apps will just randomly freeze for a second or two. Every time I unlock, you must wait several seconds to actually be able to click anything the home screen is showing. Sometimes the devic won’t turn on after I lock it and I have to hard reset. It’s honestly almost unusable :(
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I would do a clean install, I haven't had anything like that since the first beta. Seems odd though. Worst case revert back like you said. Definitely a pain.
 
sdwaltz said:
Figures don't lie and liars don't figure - but I'm struggling to see how this is possible since the 7 Plus smoked it and the 8 Plus is faster than the 7 Plus?

I guess it's the 3gb of RAM vs 6gb of RAM that caused this since the iPhone was faster on lap 1 and only fell behind when re-opening apps, but the 7 Plus had the same 3gb of RAM and still beat the Note 8.

Weird.

I'll still take the iPhone all day though.
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There are speed tests like these that compare the iPhone 7 to the iPhone 8 and the 7 wins those as well. At this point I'm guessing it's from apps not being developed for the new processors or something?
 
ronincse said:
There are speed tests like these that compare the iPhone 7 to the iPhone 8 and the 7 wins those as well. At this point I'm guessing it's from apps not being developed for the new processors or something?
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Some sort of optimization issue is the only thing that makes sense here.
 
My main "beef" with the results--and I do enjoy his style of speed testing--are the huge variations in speeds of 1 phone from test to test. Take at look at the disparity of results up in #2 with the iPhone 7+. That in and of itself is a concern here.
 
Just a thought: Any chance the 8/8+ is using its 4 low power cores more often? Perhaps the core optimization is off, the 7/7+ switches to its high powered cores since the 2 low powered cores are weak, while the 8/8+ might be staying on its 4 low power cores for longer, causing it to be slower? I really doubt theres many scenarios where the 8/8+ are using all 6 for any given amount of time besides synthetic benchmarks and perhaps video processing apps.
 
willmtaylor said:
My main "beef" with the results--and I do enjoy his style of speed testing--are the huge variations in speeds of 1 phone from test to test. Take at look at the disparity of results up in #2 with the iPhone 7+. That in and of itself is a concern here.
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I totally concur that is of concern however even when taking those variations into account the 7 plus was blowing away android phones by larger margins.

I was an android user until I saw a few of the early phonebuff 7 plus vs. videos and realized what a power house the apple engineered cpus were and how beneficial it was that they created both hardware and software.

The 7 plus on ios 10 was an amazing smooth and quick experience however if they are getting away from that then there will be no difference btw ios and android. At that point I might as well pick up a note 8 and enjoy the better hardware.
 
UL2RA said:
Blame iOS 11 and probably apps that haven't been updated yet.
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That's with an iPhone 7 that is on iOS 11 so we can't say that's the main cause
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acorntoy said:
Just a thought: Any chance the 8/8+ is using its 4 low power cores more often? Perhaps the core optimization is off, the 7/7+ switches to its high powered cores since the 2 low powered cores are weak, while the 8/8+ might be staying on its 4 low power cores for longer, causing it to be slower? I really doubt theres many scenarios where the 8/8+ are using all 6 for any given amount of time besides synthetic benchmarks and perhaps video processing apps.
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That's certainly a possibility, good idea
 
cakebytheocean said:
@Relentless Power @sracer love your insightful objective views from other threads what are your thoughts?

Has ios 11 shown apple losing its mojo? Can we expect a further decline or is this an aberration?
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Truthfully, I don't have a whole lot of experience with iOS 11, since I just installed it within the last week. I think it's kind early to determine where iOS 11 is ultimately heading. I know many are not happy with this particular update, but I see it more as a build off iOS 10. Control center is not my preference, as I think it's more convoluted. I haven't noticed any real lag. What what I like about Apple is that they continually will release updates to help refine iOS 11 to make it more efficient throughout the year. I would say to give it some more time, to see what refinements they make and address certain areas.
 
acorntoy said:
Just a thought: Any chance the 8/8+ is using its 4 low power cores more often? Perhaps the core optimization is off, the 7/7+ switches to its high powered cores since the 2 low powered cores are weak, while the 8/8+ might be staying on its 4 low power cores for longer, causing it to be slower? I really doubt theres many scenarios where the 8/8+ are using all 6 for any given amount of time besides synthetic benchmarks and perhaps video processing apps.
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Brilliant thought.
 
Radon87000 said:
If this isn't fixed by the end of iOS 11, then Android and iOS have become the same.
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My concern is that iOS 10 didn’t require a years worth or incremental updates to blow android phones out of the water it was doing that day 1 on the 7 plus.

There’s no doubt iOS 11 will improve as the year continues but that entire time we will be using an OS that’s less optimized and hence less smooth and quick as iOS 10 was. Heres hoping the first major update to ios 11 (11.1) is a big step forward.
 
cakebytheocean said:
@Relentless Power @sracer love your insightful objective views from other threads what are your thoughts?

Has ios 11 shown apple losing its mojo? Can we expect a further decline or is this an aberration?
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Thank you for the kind words.

I had an extremely long post drafted to address my observations regarding iOS 11 and what has happened since the initial release of iOS 7.0, but I think taking a step back to look at the big picture is more helpful...

To answer your question, "Has iOS 11 shown Apple losing its mojo?"...
I don't believe so. But I DO believe that there is a growing departure between some customers needs and wants and Apple's business plans. Apple isn't the scrappy tech phoenix rising from the ashes of 10-15 years ago. It is a mature organization that is a money-making gargantuan that no longer factors customers' wants into the equation.

Their old business model involved creating and controlling all aspects of the user experience. Hardware, software, service. Once they were established, they backed away from the software end (creating ways for 3rd parties to do software which is more expensive and less profitable than strictly hardware).

Once people were hooked, they became more dependent on the entire ecosystem. Once that dependence reached a mature level, there really isn't any need to push the envelope anymore. They know that the overwhelming majority of their customers are "locked in". Customer loyalty is second-to-none and it is now financially wise (from their perspective) to capitalize on all that hard work and risk.

A cynical person might conclude that Apple is engaging in PsyOp experiments that will some day be the subject of MBA curriculum. Remove the headphone jack from the iPhone, add the notch on the iPhone X and see how people embrace the unembraceable. See how they justify the removal of something or embrace the addition of something that rankles their sensibilities.

If iOS 11 is a hodge-podge of "bolted on" functions that results in an inferior (to previous versions) experience, it is because Apple can do it and get away with it. If customer lock-in is so great, why should the company expend significant resources to improve the experience when the current state of affairs is "good enough"? I expect Apple to continue to decline in quality of experience until they reach the tipping point. If quality continues to decline but sales stay flat or even increase, why should they take the money to improve quality?

There will be those who don't see the decline in user experience. They're satisfied customers and they can expect more of the same. That's a win-win scenario for them (and Apple).
 
sracer said:
Thank you for the kind words.

I had an extremely long post drafted to address my observations regarding iOS 11 and what has happened since the initial release of iOS 7.0, but I think taking a step back to look at the big picture is more helpful...

To answer your question, "Has iOS 11 shown Apple losing its mojo?"...
I don't believe so. But I DO believe that there is a growing departure between some customers needs and wants and Apple's business plans. Apple isn't the scrappy tech phoenix rising from the ashes of 10-15 years ago. It is a mature organization that is a money-making gargantuan that no longer factors customers' wants into the equation.

Their old business model involved creating and controlling all aspects of the user experience. Hardware, software, service. Once they were established, they backed away from the software end (creating ways for 3rd parties to do software which is more expensive and less profitable than strictly hardware).

Once people were hooked, they became more dependent on the entire ecosystem. Once that dependence reached a mature level, there really isn't any need to push the envelope anymore. They know that the overwhelming majority of their customers are "locked in". Customer loyalty is second-to-none and it is now financially wise (from their perspective) to capitalize on all that hard work and risk.

A cynical person might conclude that Apple is engaging in PsyOp experiments that will some day be the subject of MBA curriculum. Remove the headphone jack from the iPhone, add the notch on the iPhone X and see how people embrace the unembraceable. See how they justify the removal of something or embrace the addition of something that rankles their sensibilities.

If iOS 11 is a hodge-podge of "bolted on" functions that results in an inferior (to previous versions) experience, it is because Apple can do it and get away with it. If customer lock-in is so great, why should the company expend significant resources to improve the experience when the current state of affairs is "good enough"? I expect Apple to continue to decline in quality of experience until they reach the tipping point. If quality continues to decline but sales stay flat or even increase, why should they take the money to improve quality?

There will be those who don't see the decline in user experience. They're satisfied customers and they can expect more of the same. That's a win-win scenario for them (and Apple).
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You have eloquently summarized what I couldnt when posting about this. In my opinion if apple is moving away from the customer centric focus which it what brought me to apple in the first place there is no reason to stay. I might as well look at cheaper alternatives.
 
cakebytheocean said:
You have eloquently summarized what I couldnt when posting about this. In my opinion if apple is moving away from the customer centric focus which it what brought me to apple in the first place there is no reason to stay. I might as well look at cheaper alternatives.
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Thanks.

I've been wrestling with this lately. I have extensive experience with the non-Apple alternatives and see the promise of "what could be" if Apple were to implement some of those things (not all of them, because not all of them are good).

I've come to the conclusion that if Apple continues on its current path, then my current Apple devices (which in my household are MANY) will be my last. I don't say this with any ill-will or animosity... just a statement of fact. Until the time comes to part ways with Apple, I will continue to enjoy those devices and push them to their limits.

On a side note, after the emojipalooza that was iOS 10, I immediately started joking about, and predicting "animated emojis" in iOS 11. Sadly, I was correct.
 
sracer said:
Thanks.

I've been wrestling with this lately. I have extensive experience with the non-Apple alternatives and see the promise of "what could be" if Apple were to implement some of those things (not all of them, because not all of them are good).

I've come to the conclusion that if Apple continues on its current path, then my current Apple devices (which in my household are MANY) will be my last. I don't say this with any ill-will or animosity... just a statement of fact. Until the time comes to part ways with Apple, I will continue to enjoy those devices and push them to their limits.

On a side note, after the emojipalooza that was iOS 10, I immediately started joking about, and predicting "animated emojis" in iOS 11. Sadly, I was correct.
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I wholeheartedly agree with this thought process. The conundrum Im facing is whether or not my next phone should in fact be an iphone (iphone x) based on everything we discussed above). The hardware from the Note 8 is very tempting. The software not so much.
 
Applefan4 said:
That’s because iOS 11 is borderline unusable with lags and freezes
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Well that’s simply untrue. You’re either greatly exaggerating, or you are assuming that everyone’s experience is yours (a fallacy of composition).

They’re both equally ridiculous and unhelpful.
 
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