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I do... it hasn't changed all that much.

This is going to need a lot more than just 4x as many pixels to be good. It's going to need to slim out a lot more to be good.

The iPad was a pretty good product when it was released. This doesn't look good to me. As others have said, good idea, poor execution.

Are you kidding ? The concept has not changed , the hardware has.

Pick up the original iPad and the air . You might be shocked . Browse a few pages, you might be shocked.

This thing could evolve to be very thin with an excellent screen. Not everyone one has a war chest like apple to refine thier products before launch. Guess they are just testing the waters.
 
Honestly the watch are nice but still useless as I believe that
Screen too small
Input too small to correctly interact
Battery life too short

I m more thinking about something like iOS in the car, but iOS clothes compatible...
Monitor your health data and so one, with iOS underware notification when you need to change your underwear #

The watch is nice but the technologies are ready yet, we need a deported holographic display with also deported user input, where let's imagine taking some discoveries made to help disabled people to walk again to get iOS chip in the brain... # lets pray that it will never happens ☺️
 
Please explain how the Apple Watch is a "half baked product." Be specific. Don't just tell us how much you hate Apple or what prejudices you hold about Apple's customers.

A merger between Apple and Samsung is more likely to happen than an explanation from these types. They just pop in here, spread some nonsense or start a flame war and disappear again. To them MacRumors is not a discussion forum, but an "unfounded less-informed opinion dump site".
 
I 100% agree. If I wanted to count my steps I'd buy a $1 pedometer. Why spend $350 on an ugly, bulky Apple Watch to tell me the same thing?

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For one thing, the Montblanc is a real luxury timepiece. I can't help but think the Apple Watch is just an expensive and kitchy gadget. We'll see but I don't think the luxury high-end timepiece manufacturers have anything to worry about. Apple's trying to tap the luxury fashion timepiece market--a market that they have zero experience competing in. I can see the Apple watch perhaps being useful for health reasons and for working out, but beyond that it has no appeal to me at least.


I'm not sure why you turn my statement to make it seem like smth you agree with because I was definitely not in agreement with what you had previously said. Further, i call bs on your pedometer statement as it vastly understates the health aspect of the Watch and makes it seem like those that would prefer an exquisitely complicated and expensive mechanical timepiece would be satisfied with an inintricate bubble gum machine quality pedometer.

What I do agree with are your thoughts about Apple not necessarily being a huge risk to the top tier brands or models. I think there is a bifurcated market, where models north of 10k$ will see little effect on their sales. But south of that figure, and fashion creds be damned, If Apple reveals a good product, Apple will hoover up large swaths of other watchmakers customer base.

I'd say that in the range between 100$ and 5k$ It is apple's game to lose. Between 5 and 10k$ The Watch will have decreasing penetration, but given that the sweet spot of volume and profit is probably between 350$ and 7500$, Apple is very well positioned.

Anybody with product in the range between 100$ and 10k$ will feel the erosion of their sales numbers and better be prepared for the consequences of this (margin erosion, volume and turnover loss, restructuring and up to market exit or merger for others - after Watch, this industry won't be nearly the same.)

The incumbent watchmakers who will begin to really push themes like "real luxury", "tradition", "true fashion", "heritage", "artesian", "Swiss", etc., will find these won't stand up quite as well as in the past when customers see the new kids product as offering "utility", "information", "global interface", "fun", "personality" and eliminate the need of fishing ones phone out of ones pocket to take a call or check an appointment or review a map.

As I think on it further, I also see that the Watch will offer exceptional utility to high net worth individuals who can actually afford much more than an expensive showiff watch. These are the folks that will easily afford the IoE universe of connected home devices and no luxury watch seems likely to offer wrist mounted connectivity to those devices.

And as for having to charge an Watch on a daily basis? Much ado about nothing. I don't recall ever not taking off my Omega before bed and then not putting it back on until after my morning shower. That line of rhetorical defense reminds me of how publishers tried to stem the tide of books by promoting the meme of "I like the feel of paper in my hands" (LoL).

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Are you kidding ? The concept has not changed , the hardware has.

Pick up the original iPad and the air . You might be shocked . Browse a few pages, you might be shocked.

This thing could evolve to be very thin with an excellent screen. Not everyone one has a war chest like apple to refine thier products before launch. Guess they are just testing the waters.

Although generals have to go to war with the army they have, all MB will accomplish by launching a half-baked response to Watch will be to improve the appearance of the competition in the minds of its own customers.
 
Scenarios like this paint a thousand words when it comes to explaining the competitive advantage the Apple Watch will have here.

In a nutshell, companies like Montblanc have great design, but they clearly don't get tech. Other companies have the tech expertise but no design sense. Apple is probably one of the few companies who gets both tech and design, and are able to amalgamate them together into a harmonious whole without compromising either.
 
TBH Mont Blanc is cheap wannabe designer stuff anyway. Why does this deserve front page coverage given it's not specifically for Apple gear, doesn't really fit within Apple's style/feel and isn't a super deluxe brand.

Oh and it's not a rumour either...

Does Mount Blanc even make a gold watch?

I see mount Blanc as one of those nuevo mid near lux market gob watches that is facing oblivion under the irresistible weight and momentum of apple's disruptive Watch steam roller.
 
You think I'm wrong but I'm not, because I also said "some people will buy it because it is apple". That includes you my snob-they-are-artists friend and your relatives.

Do not fool yourself. The design is a POS which could have been done by any cheap chinese brand. I mean, I know we are 6B people on this planet, and it has to be someone always for everything. There is not one single post outside apple forums, watch forums fe, loving this watch.

And don't post some review made by an apple fan site or reporter. I challenge you to find people without economic interests praising the apple watch outside an apple forum.

It's as vulgar and empty as the galaxy gear, pebble and all that crap. They all look like nerd toys.

The main selling factor here is as simple as: APPLE. Some people will buy it because of its apps, others because of trend, and others because they are stupid and think it's a status symbol, go figure, a watch, made by an electronics company, a status symbol.

It will be more successful than all those watches made by jewelry companies and jewelry made by watch companies combined because:
1. Main selling point is Apple, people know this stands for attractive products with quality and utility;
2. It offers much more utility than traditional watches at a tenth of the price (minimum);
3. If the feel and materials are good, folks who value lux feel will take to it.
4. (Just wait until it makes its first trip to the ISS, then sales will get another boost and Omega and Breitling can begin to weep);
5. Neither my mother or sister are artist snobs, they are quite normal and less snobby than the average pretentious Mount Blanc or Rolex wearer (same mentality at different price points.). As average women of good taste it was extraordinary to see their reactions to the Watch keynote.
6. Me as an Omega and Breitling fan love tech and these watches represented the pinnacle of tech from the 1960's and 1990's respectively, but the can't make that next step into the utility of the future. That is why they will lose customers in the future.

All the chauvinistic pooh poohers of the Watch blindly wedded to traditional watch tech remind me of those who defended brass cannon, open cockpits on aircraft and hydroplane racers, and DC over AC (though fewer cats will likely be killed in the defense of mechanical watches.)

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I think that was before MS was even a major force in operating systems. Just a pager built into a Swatch.

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Nothing. "Rolex" stands for nothing.

My friends said "look at who wears them now, guys like Brett, pretentious nuevo riche weasely needle dicks bent on ostentation and conspicuous consumption. Is that what you want to stand for?"

Your answer is right on and even funnier to me given my backstory!
 
Does Mount Blanc even make a gold watch?

I see mount Blanc as one of those nuevo mid near lux market gob watches that is facing oblivion under the irresistible weight and momentum of apple's disruptive Watch steam roller.

They make some very nice gold watches.

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I don't understand why there is such a command and conquer mentality among Apple fans. Why do they always crave for other companies to be wiped out as soon as Apple enters a new market? :confused:
 
Of course it's my opinion, I'm writing it, I can't write on your behalf.

BUT there is a thing called cultural heritage that establishes protocols and universal aesthetic norms accepted by social contract.

Considering all of this, wearing an A Lange mechanical tourbillon is stylish (even for those of them who don't know what a mechanical tourbillon is, the thing affects them too), and wearing a wrist computer that looks like a computer is nerd. I'm sorry but I'm saying what every educated adult knows or should know.

You can wear too slim jeans, an apple watch, a indie tshirt and some trainers and think you look good but the fact is you look like a clown, albeit maybe you look trendy, that's a different thing. Hey, you can be the happiest man on earth even when you look like a clown, that's another story.

The Chevy Lumina Transport Owner's Club endorses your position. Now, in a moment of solidarity let us wind our Glasshutten, Rolexei, Lange und Sohne before we go into Steak and Ale and regale each other with stories of our newest tattoos.
 
I'm not sure why you turn my statement to make it seem like smth you agree with because I was definitely not in agreement with what you had previously said. Further, i call bs on your pedometer statement as it vastly understates the health aspect of the Watch and makes it seem like those that would prefer an exquisitely complicated and expensive mechanical timepiece would be satisfied with an inintricate bubble gum machine quality pedometer.

What I do agree with are your thoughts about Apple not necessarily being a huge risk to the top tier brands or models. I think there is a bifurcated market, where models north of 10k$ will see little effect on their sales. But south of that figure, and fashion creds be damned, If Apple reveals a good product, Apple will hoover up large swaths of other watchmakers customer base.

I'd say that in the range between 100$ and 5k$ It is apple's game to lose. Between 5 and 10k$ The Watch will have decreasing penetration, but given that the sweet spot of volume and profit is probably between 350$ and 7500$, Apple is very well positioned.

Anybody with product in the range between 100$ and 10k$ will feel the erosion of their sales numbers and better be prepared for the consequences of this (margin erosion, volume and turnover loss, restructuring and up to market exit or merger for others - after Watch, this industry won't be nearly the same.)

The incumbent watchmakers who will begin to really push themes like "real luxury", "tradition", "true fashion", "heritage", "artesian", "Swiss", etc., will find these won't stand up quite as well as in the past when customers see the new kids product as offering "utility", "information", "global interface", "fun", "personality" and eliminate the need of fishing ones phone out of ones pocket to take a call or check an appointment or review a map.

As I think on it further, I also see that the Watch will offer exceptional utility to high net worth individuals who can actually afford much more than an expensive showiff watch. These are the folks that will easily afford the IoE universe of connected home devices and no luxury watch seems likely to offer wrist mounted connectivity to those devices.

And as for having to charge an Watch on a daily basis? Much ado about nothing. I don't recall ever not taking off my Omega before bed and then not putting it back on until after my morning shower. That line of rhetorical defense reminds me of how publishers tried to stem the tide of books by promoting the meme of "I like the feel of paper in my hands" (LoL).

All very valid points. However, you are missing the elephant in the room: what drives the sale of a luxury timepiece? It's its inherent looks to the status-conscious wearer of course. With that said, based on looks alone, (the 1st gen at least) Apple Watch won't be for everyone at its higher-level price points. Why? Big, bulky, rectangle, ugly, constant charging, technological obsolescence, etc. Again, I wish Apple all of the success with this product, but personally, I don't see them taking over the $500+ non-tech timepiece market. There's probably room for them to coexist. Should be fun to watch.
 
They make some very nice gold watches.

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I don't understand why there is such a command and conquer mentality among Apple fans. Why do they always crave for other companies to be wiped out as soon as Apple enters a new market? :confused:

Because we are Borg?

In all seriousness I like the form of that watch (case reminds me of an Omega though) but the font on Zifferblatt doesn't speak luxury. I guess I had never looked for a MB gold watch because the first ones Ihad seen turned me off so (and I couldn't get over the thoughts of the kind of weasely guys I knew that jumped on the Mount Blanc fountain pen craze.)

I think what will happen is that the good lux watch makers will survive albeit after some consolidation. The near lux brands will consolidate, try to move upmarket, or exit. There will always be a place for boutique custom watches. But the lower end of near lux up thru lux will be affected by the Watch from deep penetration at the low end to significant penetration at the upper end.

I'm just calling it as I see it. I don't wish traditional watchmakers any ill, but since in many mature markets there is little growth potential for lux watches (indeed, with the increasing concentration of wealth and the human limitation of two wrists and the decline of the middle class, it might be said that the mid lux market is heading for a precipice as folks cultural sensibilities realign to the reality of their pocketbooks- which will open new opportunity for an Watch) and if this is true, this will shape up to be (in mature markets) akin to a zero sum game with the spoils tilted toward the new entrants.

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So, you simply take the arrogant dismissive tack, then, with lashings of implication, a pinch of pity, and word it as if it was fact. Everybody who wears it is this, and doesn't understand that. But not you.

Weak.

Apple Watch isn't for you because you would never accept it, regardless of how it looked, what it did or how it worked. Your veiled put-downs of people who are interested in the smart watch segment - something you're just not even a part of, or interested in being involved in - is like my grandmother criticising my iPhone. Why would I ever listen to her, when it's not a world she's even involved in? Her opinion of one model or another means nothing when she disapproves of the whole concept. Which is why I ignore every word she says on the subject.

Tell her about my 82-year old mom. Mom uses Pay almost exclusively and talks to siri all the time for starting FaceTime calls, traffic-routing, cooking timer, managing her medicine, and setting doctors appointments in her calendar. Mom actually bought her iPhone 6 (replacing a 4s) because she is geeked about getting an Watch to monitor her health (and she expects it to eventually do the Dick Tracy photo phone thing too.)

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Having all that bulk at the bottom on the band is a bit crazy. But I don't get what's wrong with a bulky watch up top. I used to always wear a G-Shock and there are beefier watches than that around. Not everyone wants a piece of jewelry like the Apple Watch that isn't even water proof. I'd still rather go with that new Garmin myself. It's just the price that kills me. It's like $500. Ouch!

Garmin Fenix 3
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After the Watch comes out you will be able to get the Garmin for about 175$ (while supplies last).

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Yes, but RIM and Apple were existing players in a relatively new tech-driven, smartphone market. Traditionally, the timepiece market ($500 and up) has been long established. It'll be insterestig to see how successfull Apple can penterate a market they've previously never entered. In reality, it's a new space for the company. I'm sure their bisness analysis tells them that there is room for profit growth here and I wish Apple success. To me at least, if I'm spending $350-$500 on a watch, this timepiece better last me at least 10 years. (I seriously doubt the 1st gen Apple Watch will last more than 3 years before becoming obsoleted by it's own tecnhical limitations.) Most luxury timepieces are timeless. You can't say that about a piece of tech.

Reminds me of the arguments of the slide rule vs the pocket calculator.

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The primary function of the smartphone is to communicate worldwide while on the go, there is no logical substitute.

The laptop's primary function is to be a full powered computer you can carry.

The smartwatch primary function is to be a watch, as its name says, because it does nothing the smartphone it needs can't do, only watches already exist and their main function are aesthetics (at least expensive watches), at which are much better.

A smartwatch is as nerd as using a small laptop as a photo frame for your living room, just because this can be done and because it has electronic parts and lights, but worse because you would also need to buy a full size computer in order to make it work. What do you think, is that nerd? I would say so.

I think you are hung up on the use of the word "watch", and the limitations that word brings with it from traditional watchmaking tech.

In reality, Apple is using the word "watch" because everybody knows where it goes and what it does at minimum.

But the primary purpose of an Watch is not for time telling (although that will be a major and its most visible function). It's primary purpose is to put an iPhone's functionality on one's wrist (the wristwatch function is just a nice personalizationable feature tossed in for free.)
 
Does Mount Blanc even make a gold watch?

I see mount Blanc as one of those nuevo mid near lux market gob watches that is facing oblivion under the irresistible weight and momentum of apple's disruptive Watch steam roller.

I just don't see direct competition between expensive smart watches and expensive Swiss watches based on mechanical movements. Each has its own set of strengths and reason for desirability. There's almost no functional overlap, unless you consider the unique selling pont of a smart watch to be a the ability to tell time.

This isn't a zero sum game. It's possible to purchase both or neither.
 
Let me understand. I have to buy an iWatch, then buy an iPhone, to be able to use the iWatch?

Yes...This whole "I hate that watch is reliant on the iPhone" thing is rediculous. With technology where it is at the moment, I had no doubt that the watch would rely heavily on the phone. But I have my phone with me/near me 99.9% of the time anyway so it doesn't really affect me in the least. Eventually it will be self sufficent. But for right now I think the experience will executed very well. And from what I've seen from the new and upcoming wearables showcased at CES, Apple is already leaps and bounds ahead of anything else on the market.
 
This is a perfect example of what happens when a CEO etc surrounds himself with Yesmen.

CEO comes up with a stupid idea, his gaggle of yesmen, nod their heads in agreement and tell him "Awesome idea, this will sell like hotcakes"

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Yes...This whole "I hate that watch is reliant on the iPhone" thing is rediculous. With technology where it is at the moment, I had no doubt that the watch would rely heavily on the phone. But I have my phone with me/near me 99.9% of the time anyway so it doesn't really affect me in the least. Eventually it will be self sufficent. But for right now I think the experience will executed very well. And from what I've seen from the new and upcoming wearables showcased at CES, Apple is already leaps and bounds ahead of anything else on the market.

Still, relying on a phone for its features kind of defeats the purpose. for that I will just use my phone for the time and buy a nice dress watch that does an awesome thing at telling the time and looks nice as well.
 
The Apple Watch will actually go UP in value in the near future.

Example: "Excuse me. I couldnt help noticing that huge lump of metal and glass on your wrist. Is it a toning aid? A keep fit device?"
"Ha ha. No. It's ...or rather. It was ..the Apple Watch. It came out three years ago and was a bit of a flop from the outset because of its bulk and impracticality. I wear it now for the exclusivity and novelty value. It cost $400 at the time and I just happened to have such a disposable amount. The best thing I have ever bought"
"Wow. It looks so retro and Seventies-yet it's so new...a great conversation piece ... If not a great time piece-will you sell it? I'll pay double!"
"No way, Ray. This is original technology history - and marks the time when Apple got lazy and resized their IOS product one step too many"

Snap em up now before they're gone...forever! :)
 
LG and Samsung are decent competition for Apple when it comes to smart watches. This one? Not so much.

...not based on the their general reviews - coming from reviewers who want to like them...

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The Apple Watch will actually go UP in value in the near future....
"No way, Ray. This is original technology history - and marks the time when Apple got lazy and resized their IOS product one step too many"

apple's 'laziness' produced a smart watch? man, it's like you guys aren't even trying.
 
Montblanc pens at least are quite expensive, costs hundreds of dollars (even the ballpens) but have nice design. What I got from this, is that no one in luxury accessory world doesn't get the idea of smartwatch right. If Apple moves right, the likes of Rolex and etc will have a steep curve to learn (less so for Montblanc who doesn't make watches that much). There are will be troubles for high end watches from Seiko, Citizen, Orient as well.

People may say that Rolex cost thousands of dollars so they are protected from Apple onslaught but I am not sure. Once the famous models and celebrities will begin to use the gold AppleWatch, look for rich people everywhere to imitate them (ala Beats which got endorsed by sport stars).

I would assume that once Victoria Beckham or Beckham himself, Michael Jordan, Ronaldo or Messi are spotted with AppleWatch, millions of their fans will follow them - not necessarily buying the most expensive ones, but likes of sport edition etc. You know that one of first celebrities to adopt iPhone 3G in her music video was Britney Spears, Radar music video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PctD-8y0FRg (0.03) in 2009. Expect more of the similar endorsements once AppleWatch appears on sale.

Because beats was playing in a market without previous references in the upper sement, like the ipod, iphone, macbook... because normal people are not geeks. In addition, electronics are fickle, and nobody buys a perpetual calendar because it is this year's trend. KIA and Opel are advertised and used by celebrities (paid), but rich people still prefer Bentleys, Brabus, Porsches, Ferraris... You can't understand the prestige mentality if that's not your way of living, stop pretending you know.

Ads with celebrities with cheap products are for normal wannabe folks, not for rich people. Of course they sell more because there are more of the firsts.

Rich people use, maybe, real luxury brands advertised by famous people, like Range Rover (daniel craig), Porsche (kournikova I think), and the same happens with watches, albeit you probably don't know it, but omega sponsors 007 movies and daniel craig, george clooney... are their ambassadors, and RM rafa nadal... But it's OMEGA, RM, AP in the first place... not casio or samsung or apple or kia or opel
 
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Nice how about at least cleaning it off BEFORE you snap the pictures. Yep makes me want to go right out and buy one.
 
...not based on the their general reviews - coming from reviewers who want to like them...


I have really enjoyed my LG G Watch R. It's been flawless and works exactly as intended. Battery life has been pretty good too. I have been getting about 2 days of moderate use without any issues. Considering it is just LG's second attempt at a smart watch I feel they could easily make products that compete with the Apple Watch. The only thing they can't compete with is the brand name Apple. You could take the worse product ever designed... stick an Apple on it and it would sell like crazy.
 
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