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Definitely NFC. Passbook makes no sense otherwise and the machining with a different bit makes no sense unless an antenna goes there.

Behind metal? Makes no sense unless it actually makes contact and uses the metal surface as the antenna.
 
Apple would simply not do that. Symmetry is their middle name, and they wouldn't even allow one 'lip' to be thicker or thinner than the one opposite. Therefore, the glass is flush.

I agree they wouldn’t WANT to. But those lips serve a purpose: they make the phone (current one included) look thinner because all you see is the metal part. Yet they allow the internal to be thicker: maybe for the sake of the battery or other engineering reality.

So Apple could still do it if they HAD to rather than delaying the process of completing the phone. I would say it’s unlikely, but Apple has made some unlikely design inconsistencies in the past because they had do:

- The plastic inserts on the backs of the original iPhone and some iPads.

- The floppy-loose lid latches on the previous design of MacBook Pros (with the moving magnetic latches).

- The off-center black line on the top of the original iPhone 5.

- The ugly light sensor grille on white iPhone 4/4S.

All of those seem like something Apple “wouldn’t do.”

So I agree with the reasons for hoping they wouldn’t do this, but I still know there’s a chance they might.

And this white iPhone 9 (5?) clearly shows a plastic lip part around the screen. A part missing from most of the half-assembled partial phones we’ve been seeing. I believe that part exists! And I fear that when it is actually in place, the screen won’t sit flush. It will sit nice and even, and look better than the current phone, but not flush. And flush would look even better, so I want it :)
 
My hero :) Never saw that, and it looks convincing. BUT it also looks like it is missing the plastic backing frame seen here. I’d love it if that part simply isn’t real (or is an older plan). But if it IS real, then it could make the screen sit higher than in the vid. In other words, maybe the guy in the vid has dropped the glass into a space that is meant to hold the plastic PLUS glass. It would wiggle a little then, and I don’t see that in the video. But it still worries me a bit.

(I’d buy anyway!)

I haven't noticed that plastic framing before. I kept thinking to myself while watching the video that there are no components behind it so who knows what the final result would be. That framing looks like it will make it raised. I guess we can hope, but my 80% thoughts on it being flush are now down to 30%. :(
 
- The off-center black line on the top of the original iPhone 5.

You mean 4?

And while it's off-center it's still perfectly aligned with the front camera. And (You can measure it) in the Golden Ratio. Ive and Jobs might not have wanted a hinge there, but if there was to be one it's perfectly implemented.

- The ugly light sensor grille on white iPhone 4/4S.

No, it isn't... ugly.

All of those seem like something Apple “wouldn’t do.”

I'm having a hard time finding something "Apple wouldn't do" in the iPhone 4/4S, it's so well designed that anything after that would either be out of this world or a step down - it will be the latter. The uneven camera placement on the back and the giant mess of holes and plugs on the bottom really looks like something Apple shouldn't do...
 
I haven't noticed that plastic framing before. I kept thinking to myself while watching the video that there are no components behind it so who knows what the final result would be. That framing looks like it will make it raised. I guess we can hope, but my 80% thoughts on it being flush are now down to 30%. :(

Ha ha—it’s amusing I’m going the other way... you all have my 30% hope for flush raising to 80% :)

The good news is, the raised front (if any) will be a disaster of Biblical proportions for about 6 hours, and then we’ll be used to it and not even care.

I remember HATING the little black lines on the iPhone 4. Haven’t thought about them in years, and I love the 4’s design!


You mean 4?

And while it's off-center it's still perfectly aligned with the front camera. And (You can measure it) in the Golden Ratio. Ive and Jobs might not have wanted a hinge there, but if there was to be one it's perfectly implemented.

Yes, 4 :)

And if the new iPhone has to have a raised front face, it too will be perfectly implemented :) For one thing it’s clearly much less noticeable than the big edges on the current model (which, granted, has the symmetry of raised edges on both front and back—but front/back symmetry isn’t strictly a requirement).

But speculation, be it about photo angles we can’t see, or what engineering challenges Apple would or would not delay a phone release over, are still just speculation. I’m focussed on the evidence: at least one photo showing a likely raised lip, and none proving otherwise. (None, in other words, of a new iPhone fully assembled.)
 
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So Mr. Cook... how's the whole "doubling down on secrecy" thing going?

Thanks for asking! It's going great! This year Apple hasn't left a single iPhone in a bar. We haven't had to use our influence with the local police force to pressure an illegal search on US citizens. All is hunky dory in Apple land!!

:D
 
But speculation, be it about photo angles we can’t see, or what engineering challenges Apple would or would not delay a phone release over, are still just speculation. I’m focussed on the evidence: at least one photo showing a likely raised lip, and none proving otherwise. (None, in other words, of a new iPhone fully assembled.)

Yes, but that one also differs from the one currently posted. But then again, it's the first one I have seen where the holes at the bottom are straight at least (still not pretty though).
 
Funny how the tool tracks on this photo differ to at least two other alledged "iPhone 5" examples...

I'd rather wait for the real announcement than try to second guess with all this crap...

Just my opinion, but I just don't get the taller screen thing... I remember a couple of years ago when the "iPhone mini" rumours were doing the rounds (what became if that?).

It seems to me that a couple of years ago the prevailing trend was for smallers phones - hence the "iPhone mini" rumours. Now the trend is for for large screens... Apple bucked the trend once and I think they'll do it again... Just my opinion...
 
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It seems to me that a couple of years ago the prevailing trend was for smallers phones - hence the "iPhone mini" rumours. Now the trend is for for large screens... Apple bucked the trend once and I think they'll do it again... Just my opinion...

I favor the theory that 4G LTE caused the trend of larger screens: the early LTE phones have been power hogs, requiring them to have big batteries and be extra bulky. You kind of HAVE to hide that behind a big screen, turning a “bug” into a “feature”! Recall that there were plenty of 3D Android phones when LTE was new—even new 3G models. But NO larger-screen 3G models. There should be all kinds of choice, right? Mix and match the features you care about? But if you wanted a big screen and no 4G, that wasn’t available.

Plus, none of Apple’s competitors can match the quality of Apple’s screens—so what can they do but go bigger? Pretend that big is all good (when for a phone it’s actually bad in many ways). And also offer something different from the iPhone: an option for people who truly NEED another half inch.

With the new iPhone being smaller than the old (by volume) and almost certainly LTE, it will be interesting to see how battery life fares! I’d accept a small decrease in battery life, since my 2-years-old iPhone 4 never runs out on me. But only a small one! How about a battery life increase? Sounds good, but doesn’t sound possible.
 
I favor the theory that 4G LTE caused the trend of larger screens:...
Well, that's just crazy talk. Have you even seen some of the half-assed small batteries most HTC phones have had since the came out with the 4.3" screen?

Face it. People want larger screens even if you don't.
 
Don't know why anyone hasn't done this yet.

I took a minute to copy and overlap the "iphone 5" over the iphone 4. I only angled it to the right and made it transparent using the volume buttons to align.

Here is the result.

Basically the iphone 5 is approximately only as thick as the metal part of the iphone 4.


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I haven't noticed that plastic framing before. I kept thinking to myself while watching the video that there are no components behind it so who knows what the final result would be. That framing looks like it will make it raised. I guess we can hope, but my 80% thoughts on it being flush are now down to 30%. :(

Speak of the devil! AI has an article about that very part today... although it reveals nothing about how the glass is positioned relative to the metal frame:

http://www.appleinsider.com/article...internal_design_elements_from_iphone_3gs.html

Well, that's just crazy talk. Have you even seen some of the half-assed small batteries most HTC phones have had since the came out with the 4.3" screen?

Face it. People want larger screens even if you don't.

They definitely do, and I have no problem with that. Why would that be hard to face?

And newer Android phones are less battery hungry than the ones I’m talking about, when LTE—and the big screens—were new.
 
Thickness

Did a quick study of the thickness represented here - it's obviously not perfect but it looks like around 7mm is imminently reasonable. I for one will enjoy this.

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^^Nope....^^

https://www.macrumors.com/2012/08/07/next-generation-iphone-enclosure-measured-at-7-6-mm-thick/

7.6 mm

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Another picture to throw into the fray. Getting interesting....

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Ah--I fear that picture shows a bit of that protruding edge! Not a lot of thickness, but it does stick out—see the right-hand corner.

Also, look 15 seconds into your black video: you can see the “shelf” around the inner edge where the glass—and therefore this plastic frame—must rest. That shelf isn’t nearly deep enough to hold the white plastic that sticks out in my photo. Thus, I’m sadly convinced that the while plastic in my photo cannot be pushed in any deeper. The frame will stick out, and it will in turn hold the glass. (Unless the design has changed significantlysince these images—which seems highly unlikely.)
 
True, but after reading the article you posted, they keep comparing the bracket it sits in to the bracket in a 3G. The 3G screen sat flush to the phone.

I think what we'll see is a very slight raise above the body....like we see in the right corner you pointed out.

**crosses fingers**
 
True, but after reading the article you posted, they keep comparing the bracket it sits in to the bracket in a 3G. The 3G screen sat flush to the phone.

I think what we'll see is a very slight raise above the body....like we see in the right corner you pointed out.

**crosses fingers**

Hmm I remember first getting my 4 and loving the thinness; I can live with 7.6.
 
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