Photos of Snow Leopard Disc and Retail Packaging?

[HyperZboy]

No, we believe you. We just don't care.

If you did own late model PowerPC G5 Macs, trust me you would care.

The INTEL-snobbyness on this board is becoming ridiculous.

I'm not sure if its the PC-switchers mostly or the "I have the latest and greatest and you DON'T! " crowd that are worse but the level of arrogance here is quite surprising.

But then again, many people on boards like this are kids and act like such, so I guess its to be expected. Oh well.

 

[varchar]

Looks authentic...

I wonder if it is worth waiting until its released to buy a new MBP... What ya think?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

When you're blue in the face will you finally stop?

I find it funny that I am issued with a warning because I am ignorant of the multi-quote feature of the forum and yet not a single thing is done about HyperZboy's constant spamming of this forum with his bitching and moaning.

I have nothing against rules - I do have a problem when they aren't enforced across the board and consistently in every situation. HyperZboy has adding NOTHING to the discussion so far except to clock up his post count and increase the number of pages in Snow Leopard related articles.

It has nothing to do with silencing HyperZboy, it has to do with the fact that HyperZboy doesn't know when to shut up.

 

[Eidorian]

If you did own late model PowerPC G5 Macs, trust me you would care.

The INTEL-snobbyness on this board is becoming ridiculous.

I'm not sure if its the PC-switchers mostly or the "I have the latest and greatest and you DON'T! " crowd that are worse but the level of arrogance here is quite surprising.

But then again, many people on boards like this are kids and act like such, so I guess its to be expected. Oh well.

We used to cling to our PowerPC back in the day.

 

[inkswamp]

And it appears you said I'm wrong on Grand Central even though you told me I'm right.
I'm confused there. I know lots of G5s were not multi-core, but that still doesn't prove me wrong. And yes Snow Leopard is very much about 64 bit and all G5s are 64bit, so its a valid point. People keep constantly making all these comments about PowerPC like its technically incapable of running Snow Leopard.

THIS IS SIMPLY NOT TRUE. ONLY BY APPLE'S CHOICE!​

Apple has the money and resources to release the BUG-FIX/OPTIMIZATION operating system release known as Snow Leopard to PowerPC customers. There are no technical reasons it couldn't be done and it should be done. In fact Apple probably has a PowerPC internal build of SL. I'd bet money on it.

So? Apple has the money and resources to make Classic fully compatible within SL too, but what would be the point? Eventually, the old stuff has to drop away. Apple has chosen not to be locked into never-ending demands for backward compatibility and push things forward faster. That's something MS cannot get away with so it gives Apple a competitive edge. They'd be insane not to pursue it.

I own two PPC Macs. I have no issue with this. I don't expect these machines to be supported forever and nobody else should either. And I'm pretty confident that neither of them will be any better or worse the day SL comes out. They'll continue running and doing what they've always done.

And remember, some of SL's benefits come directly from dropping PPC support--smaller install size, less RAM usage, smaller apps. That's the upside to this and I'd rather Apple pursue that than support older hardware.

 

[Bill Gates]

If you did own late model PowerPC G5 Macs, trust me you would care.

The INTEL-snobbyness on this board is becoming ridiculous.

I'm not sure if its the PC-switchers mostly or the "I have the latest and greatest and you DON'T! " crowd that are worse but the level of arrogance here is quite surprising.

But then again, many people on boards like this are kids and act like such, so I guess its to be expected. Oh well.

Oh shut up already! If you bought a PowerMac G5 after June 2005 then you knew PPC was dead. If you bought it before then, well, it's been over 4 years since then. 4 year-old hardware is old enough to drop support for a new OS.

 

[AidenShaw]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Its a picture on a box that I will throw away after I install the disk.

Best post of the thread - like, come on, it's a picture on a box.

(but, I like big North-country cats )

 

[iheartzombie]

Love the look. It's a refreshing departure from the "X" theme.

A photo of one of nature's most beautiful creatures in a minimalist setting. Nicely done. Less is more.

i totally agree,

i've alway wondered why Apple never had an image of each "cat"
for all their new releases.

i like it and the X theme is over played and boring.
then again i'm a nature lover and took up photography so i'm biased

 

[HyperZboy]

I own two PPC Macs. I have no issue with this. I don't expect these machines to be supported forever and nobody else should either. And I'm pretty confident that neither of them will be any better or worse the day SL comes out. They'll continue running and doing what they've always done.

And remember, some of SL's benefits come directly from dropping PPC support--smaller install size, less RAM usage, smaller apps. That's the upside to this and I'd rather Apple pursue that than support older hardware.

2-4 years breaks Apple's historical support precedent, this is my main point.

And as per the 2nd point, the same thing could easily be done with PPC.

I've used Xslimmer to slim INTEL code out before.

It's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to support 2-4 year old G5s or PPC for one more round. After that, no one would complain.

This breaks precedent.

And to some of the other comments/insults, I'm discussing a valid complaint and issue, not spamming and I've not personally insulted a single person here, just disagreed with you.

Maybe that's why some of you got warned and I didn't? Hmm, possibly.

 

[Eric S.]

What are you talking about? What commitment did they make? To ship more PowerPCs?

Actually if you read the verbatim transcript of the 2005 WWDC keynote, IIRC Steve Jobs used the words "for a long time" when referring to PowerPC support. (Something like, "don't worry - we're going to support these systems for a long time.") Everyone can decide for him/herself what the definition of "a long time" is, as well as "support."

Sure, but why would you buy a PowerPC machine if you knew that they were transitioning away?

Some developers had no choice, because the PM G5 was the only high-end Apple system that ran certain applications that had not yet been ported to Intel even after the Mac Pro was released. Probably that applies to relatively few people though.

 

[Target362]

Please people enough with the power PC talk. Face it its never coming back. Intel is here to stay (as it has since 2006)

Note, your open to your opinions but this is just getting silly.

 

[HyperZboy]

Actually if you read the verbatim transcript of the 2005 WWDC keynote, IIRC Steve Jobs used the words "for a long time" when referring to PowerPC support. (Something like, "don't worry - we're going to support these systems for a long time.") Everyone can decide for him/herself what the definition of "a long time" is, as well as "support."

Some developers had no choice, because the PM G5 was the only high-end Apple system that ran certain applications that had not yet been ported to Intel even after the Mac Pro was released. Probably that applies to relatively few people though.

Yes, thank you, we pretty much agree there. Steve Jobs did his usual spin to keep PowerPC sales going strong during the switch and his Reality Distortion Field as expected worked quite well.

As for what "a long time" means, I'd say 2-4 years is not exactly a long time based on Apple's previous support history of 6-7 years.

As for Pro apps and developers, I actually also agree that Adobe should not support PowerPC in the next update of the Creative Suite nor should many other developers of complex pro apps, including Apple.
I do find Google's abandonment of PowerPC though kinda disgusting since mostly every Mac app they've developed is simple stuff that would be easy to make a Universal Binary of.

Wow, I agreed with somebody.

Finally, I still think Steve Jobs and Apple broke their commitment to people they desperately hawked computers & a dead-end $129 operating system to during the transition without actually coming clean or following up on the commitment.
But, we'll have to agree to disagree there, as there's just no proving this.
It's just my opinion.

But, it does break with Apple precedent, that much is certain.

 

[fribhey]

the version posted here is a complete fake. there's absolutely no consistency between that and the design of EVERY OS X that has been released so far.

why would apple completely change the design from the one they've been using for a while now on their own website. here's the snow leopard page with the purple/black background:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/
there's a photo of the disc on this page as well

here's a photo of the retail snow leopard box design on apple's site:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/notify-me.html

here's the server page with the blue/black background:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

here's a photo of the server retail box:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/notify-me.html

anyone who thinks these "leaked" photos are real are fools

 

[Target362]

I don't know what all the fuss is about. Its a picture on a box that I will throw away after I install the disk.

Good luck when something goes worng and you need to return the disc.

oh and don't throw it away, recycle it.

If you did own late model PowerPC G5 Macs, trust me you would care.

Late model meaning the last model before the intel switch. Seems you only care because your pissed, or a hard core early apple fan.

The INTEL-snobbyness on this board is becoming ridiculous.

You could just leave. I haven't noticed it.

I'm not sure if its the PC-switchers mostly or the "I have the latest and greatest and you DON'T! " crowd that are worse but the level of arrogance here is quite surprising.

Its people who moved on to the standards and not use a system that no one uses anymore (PPC)

But[/quote] then again, many people on boards like this are kids and act like such, so I guess its to be expected. Oh well.[/QUOTE]

That I agree with.

 

[sochet]

Hyperzboy:

What's your obsession with "Apple precedent?" Apple owe us nothing, just because they had a certain policy in the past doesn't mean they have to stick to it, what they did and what they are doing now makes the most business sense, nothing more.

You claim Leopard to be "Bug ridden" I have owned 3 macs with Leopard and in my house there are 9 macs in total with Leopard and not one of these has ever had a kernel panic, all the macs in the house are used for pro audio and the only problem we've ever had with them is with 3rd party apps. Also my housemates 2007 Imac can outperform plugin wise my other housemates G5 quad, and my 2008 mac pro wipes the floor with it. I'm not getting into semantics or benchmarks here, this is coming from personal experience.

Technology moves on quickly, it's just something everyone has to deal with.

Please stop spamming the same posts over and over, it's getting boring.

 

[pilotError]

2-4 years breaks Apple's historical support precedent, this is my main point.

And as per the 2nd point, the same thing could easily be done with PPC.

I've used Xslimmer to slim INTEL code out before.

It's not like Apple doesn't have the resources to support 2-4 year old G5s or PPC for one more round. After that, no one would complain.

This breaks precedent.

And to some of the other comments/insults, I'm discussing a valid complaint and issue, not spamming and I've not personally insulted a single person here, just disagreed with you.

Maybe that's why some of you got warned and I didn't? Hmm, possibly.

I don't know why I felt the need to post, I guess I would be a little pissed too.

Playing devils advocate, the next big step is in GPU acceleration, something that probably wasn't worth their effort on the PPC architecture. Nobody is going to build a modern GPU for the thing.

When you start looking at the chip architectures, innovation becomes extremely difficult if not impossible to carry forward. I do think MS is somewhat disadvantaged here, because they have to carry forward 2000 different drivers to keep their customers happy. They do however have the benefit of existing on a single CPU architecture.

As much as it sucks for you, I don't think they really had a choice in this case. I don't think anyone here wants software that operates at the lowest common denominator, which is what would have to happen if they carried PPC support forward. No doubt it has the raw horsepower, but having to maintain 2 code paths for a dead end architecture isn't the most fiscally responsible. It's extremely time/resource consuming especially when your trying to push the underlying OS architecture forward.

 

[lex750]

See this link: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/eb/Macsales.svg

I think Apple should have made Snow Leopard for PPC. PPC based Macs were being sold only three years ago. Snow Leopard is not a new OS. It's Leopard 2.0. I could understand if it was a totally new OS. It's just going to make a lot of their customers angry. I've also heard somewhere that they wanted to drop Intel to at some point. So maybe in another 3-4 years all the Intel Mac owners will be here, feeling left out in the rain.

 

[TuffLuffJimmy]

I've also heard somewhere that they wanted to drop Intel to at some point. So maybe in another 3-4 years all the Intel Mac owners will be here, feeling left out in the rain.

Yeah, my cousin's friend's sister used to work at a best buy, and she told me that Microsoft is going to drop out of the computer business and start selling ShamWows!

 

[beg_ne]

I've also heard somewhere that they wanted to drop Intel to at some point. So maybe in another 3-4 years all the Intel Mac owners will be here, feeling left out in the rain.

Yeah I heard that same rumor too man! I think Apple is planning on using those new chips made out of unicorn tears!

Fight the power!

 

[Gugalpm]

Its not a wrong spelling!!! With the new ortographic reform the agreement is that both "optimizado" , "otimizado", or other example such as: "acção" or "ação" are both CORRECT!!

Otimizado no Brasil, Optimizado em Portugal. A mesma coisa vale para ação, acção, respectivamente.

Realmente não é português brasileiro.

 

[HyperZboy]

Its people who moved on to the standards and not use a system that no one uses anymore (PPC)

Somewhere between 15% and 30% of the installed Mac user base is PowerPC.
(No one seems to have any reliable PowerPC#s so we'll have to go with a range, sorry.)

Obviously we know its discontinued by now, even I own an Intel Mac and know its the "standard".

I simply believe 2-3 years is too soon to stop supporting Macs for an operating system update and breaks a 25 year old Apple precedent of supporting its customers. And it hits some of the most expensive Mac buyers the hardest since many of those machines were the last to transition and Apple continued to sell those Macs to schools & institutions even after being discontinued.

Once again, this is one of those things that we'll have to agree to disagree on.

 

[lex750]

Yeah, my cousin's friend's sister used to work at a best buy, and she told me that Microsoft is going to drop out of the computer business and start selling ShamWows!

Anything is possible. PPC now, Intel next. You never know.

http://www.infoworld.com/d/hardware/apple-snapping-chip-designers-754

 

[HyperZboy]

Yeah, my cousin's friend's sister used to work at a best buy, and she told me that Microsoft is going to drop out of the computer business and start selling ShamWows!

Apple kept a secret INTEL build of MacOX X since the beginning and nobody knew for so many years.

You don't think they're still keeping a build of Snow Leopard for PowerPC just in case? They obviously have a build for ARM processors, and who knows what else.

If at some point Apple gains a more substantial footing on marketshare, they really wouldn't have to worry about what processor they choose to use.

I remember when Gil Amelio's Apple sold Performa's in cheesy late-night hour long infomercials.
Be careful what you wish for, you might be getting those Microsoft Shamwows one day! LOL

 

[beg_ne]

I simply believe 2-3 years is too soon to stop supporting Macs for an operating system update and breaks a 25 year old Apple precedent of supporting its customers. And it hits some of the most expensive Mac buyers the hardest since many of those machines were the last to transition and Apple continued to sell those Macs to schools & institutions even after being discontinued.

Once again, this is one of those things that we'll have to agree to disagree on.

Leopard will still run fine on those Macs. You have to either keep up in the computer industry or be willing to be happy with what you have. I really don't understand all the whining now, everyone has known for the past year and a half that PPC users were SOL.

 

[MrENGLISH]

If you did own late model PowerPC G5 Macs, trust me you would care.

I did own the very last PowerMac G5 model - the 2.5GHz Quad - and I sold it earlier this year because PowerPC support has been dropping. I bought my PowerMac in Dec 05... months after Apple announced the transition to Intel.

Why did I buy it when I knew they were going Intel? Simple... it made sense at the time because all the software I was using at the time was PowerPC native and going Intel that early would have been a mess for me.

Fast Forward to 2009 and it is a different story. The main app that I use, After Effects, is now INTEL only. Did I cry about it?... NO. My hardware was already over 3 years old and it was time to upgrade anyways. After Effects CS4 isn't the only Intel only app. Many apps are Intel only now.

I for one am glad they cleaned up OS X and got rid of all the PPC code. That is the whole point of SL - to refine it.

Leopard isn't going to stop working for you the day Snow Leopard comes out. It will run the same tomorrow as it did today and yesterday.

Sell your old hardware and use the money towards something new if you have to run Snow Leopard.