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Apple kept a secret INTEL build of MacOX X since the beginning and nobody knew for so many years.

You don't think they're still keeping a build of Snow Leopard for PowerPC just in case? They obviously have a build for ARM processors, and who knows what else.

I really doubt they have a PPC version anymore. PPC for all intents and purposes is dead. It lost the war. Period.

All of the real work in Snow Leopard is pretty much Intel specific anyway.

Having a secret project to support the processor with 99% of the computer market (Intel) when the processor you use has 1% of the market (PPC) is a pretty smart thing.

Not so much so looking the other way around.

Why support Intel, PPC and ARM when 45% of your products use Intel, 55% use ARM and 0% use PPC?
 
I did own the very last PowerMac G5 model - the 2.5GHz Quad - and I sold it earlier this year because PowerPC support has been dropping. I bought my PowerMac in Dec 05... months after Apple announced the transition to Intel.

Why did I buy it when I knew they were going Intel? Simple... it made sense at the time because all the software I was using at the time was PowerPC native and going Intel that early would have been a mess for me.

Fast Forward to 2009 and it is a different story. The main app that I use, After Effects, is now INTEL only. Did I cry about it?... NO. My hardware was already over 3 years old and it was time to upgrade anyways. After Effects CS4 isn't the only Intel only app. Many apps are Intel only now.

I for one am glad they cleaned up OS X and got rid of all the PPC code. That is the whole point of SL - to refine it.

Leopard isn't going to stop working for you the day Snow Leopard comes out. It will run the same tomorrow as it did today and yesterday.

Sell your old hardware and use the money towards something new if you have to run Snow Leopard.

:apple:

When INTEL users say "I'm glad they're cleaning up and fixing Leopard", that is EXACTLY what gets me mad about Snow Leopard because Apple has used similar language.

It's like Apple saying...

Ok, you paid $129 for Leopard, you're INTEL, we'll fix it, clean it up, & optimize it for you for $29.
Ok, you paid $129 for Leopard, you're PowerPC, GO F YOURSELF.

2-3 years simply breaks with Apple's long time 6-7 year support level, its just that simple.

I really doubt they have a PPC version anymore. PPC for all intents and purposes is dead. It lost the war. Period.

All of the real work in Snow Leopard is pretty much Intel specific anyway.

Ok, another myth to dispel...

Almost NOTHING in Snow Leopard is or has to be INTEL-specific.

Only by Apple's CHOICE is SL INTEL-specific.

NEXT...
 
Is this the "rumor" you heard?

http://www.infoworld.com/d/hardware/apple-snapping-chip-designers-754

Does not say anything about "unicorn tears".

Not exactly the "rumor" i heard. :p;)

I wouldn't interpret what Apple is doing in that infoworld story with them gearing up to dump Intel though.

Creating their own chips to power a future iPhone/iPod Touch or a mythical tablet? Yes.

Ever hoping the compete with Intel for Laptop/Desktop/Workstation class processors? No chance.
 
I do kind of think it's unfair that Apple won't release a PPC version of Snow Leopard just for the Leopard enhancements like the "put back" option in Trash, Cocoa Finder, New Exposé, better spotlight etc. I think all users should get that stuff while intel users get the Grand Central Station, 64bit, and OpenCL. See what I'm saying?
 
And remember, some of SL's benefits come directly from dropping PPC support--smaller install size, less RAM usage, smaller apps. That's the upside to this and I'd rather Apple pursue that than support older hardware.


actually the releases of 10.6 prior to this 'gm' were a lot smaller than the 8.4gb the 'gm' installs
 
Looks real, but it's bad. There's no artistry to it, it's just a leopard with a title. It looks like what the beta disc should have looked like, and the final disc should have had the starfield and the giant X.

Exactly my thoughts. It looks tacky and beta-ish. This will be the butt of many Mac jokes. At least the OS is good.
 
Apple kept a secret INTEL build of MacOX X since the beginning and nobody knew for so many years.

You don't think they're still keeping a build of Snow Leopard for PowerPC just in case? They obviously have a build for ARM processors, and who knows what else.

If at some point Apple gains a more substantial footing on marketshare, they really wouldn't have to worry about what processor they choose to use.

I remember when Gil Amelio's Apple sold Performa's in cheesy late-night hour long infomercials.
Be careful what you wish for, you might be getting those Microsoft Shamwows one day! LOL

Apple had an Intel-build of OS X due to the fact that OS X comes from Openstep, which again comes from Nextstep. Nextstep got i486-support all the way back in 1993.

This was something everyone into OS-technology knew. And it doesn't take a genius to understand that Apple would use this as a leverage against CPU-makers.
It wouldn't suprise me if Apple have got some half-assed internal OS X builds with support for SPARC too (as that came with Nextstep).

The reason why they are dropping PPC-support for snow leopard is the same as why they switched to Intel. To make more money.
Apple is a great software-company that happens to make almost all of its money on hardware sales. Their new strategy seems to be even more focused on that, with their software prices being close to ridiculously low.

Still, i agree with you, and see no reason to support the greed projected by one of the wealthiest companies in the world. Consumers with PPC-machines should be offered an option to buy snow leopard for the "normal price" of $129.
 
Ok, another myth to dispel...

Almost NOTHING in Snow Leopard is or has to be INTEL-specific.

Only by Apple's CHOICE is SL INTEL-specific.

NEXT...

It doesn't matter that *theoretically* some of that stuff could have been done for PPC. The *reality* is that NONE of it was, which means your point is moot.

PowerMac owners are a minority of a minority Apple did the logical thing by dropping support now and focusing on the platform that matters instead of having to do double the work for almost no gain.


If you own a PowerMac then you should be making your living from using it as it is a workstation computer. And to that end it means you should be planning and budgeting for it's replacement.

Finally, what good does it do to whine about lack of PPC support here? No matter how much you do Apple won't care one bit and they will never release a new version of OS X for PPC. The whining just annoys everyone who has already moved on. All the PPC users need to get to the 5th stage of grief already...
 
Am I the only one to think it's the best OS box we've seen so far? Windows is out of discussion, it's ugly as hell. The Leopard's one is full of sh*t, I HATE Aurora, and the ones prior to Leopard have that skin pattern which s*cks as well. But this white, with the Snow Leopard on it... Damn, it looks awesome! It will be the first stock wallpaper I'll keep, as well as the first Mac OS I'll get with the release box.
 
Aug 28, 2009

We will be able to pre-order from tuesday Aug 18, 2009. Directly from Apple.
10 days before release date Aug 28, 2009. The same happened with Leopard, back in 2007. They started taking pre-orders, 10 days before, on October 16, 2007. Leopard was released on Oct 26, 2007. If this doesn't happen, I'll just eat my words. I'm also believing it will be 10% cheaper with the student discount, $26 instead of $29. Plus it would be delivered to you the same day it releases, and before your local Apple Store start selling it. Also, Cheaper than Amazon. Thanks for reading.
 
Aug 28, 2009. The same happened with Leopard, back in 2007. They started taking pre-orders, 10 days before, on October 16, 2007. Leopard was released on Oct 26, 2007. If this doesn't happen, I'll just eat my words. I'm also believing it will be 10% cheaper with the student discount, $26 instead of $29. Cheaper than Amazon. Thanks for reading.

My work gets

17% off apple software
12% off applecare

not sure how much off hardware, but we do get a discount off hardware (computers, ipods etc)

check with your employer people, you might get discounts like this (not just apple, but any compney)
 
Well when Vista came out in Jan '07 it couldn't even support some computers which were sold in the summer of 2006. I recall Microsoft getting in trouble for classing some computer Vista Premium ready & they couldn't run it properly I.E with only 512MB RAM etc, LOL certainly nothing much from 2005, many laptops with integrated graphics struggled or failed to run Aero effects, due to the lack of Microsoft not making a WDDM driver for that chipset

Apple have had 3 major transitions in the companies history

1. '92 the Motorola - PowerPC Transition
2. '00-'02 MacOS 9 - Mac OS X
3. '06 PowerPC - Intel Transition

With all these transitions Apple has had to redesign and in some cases drop certain computers & software which could be no longer supported. I myself have 6 Macs, 2 PowerPC based ones all the rest are Intel, I'm not that bothered really everything has to come to an end once in a while so Apple can focus on the future of optimising new current Macs. My eMac G4 runs Leopard fine, my PowerMac on the other hand is only 773 Mhz and that is running Panther, just because I like Panther, plus its only got a 16MB graphics card for Panther/Jaguar is probably best for it really

For all we know Apple may be optimising Leopard more for PowerPC users as such in the coming months after Snow Leopard has come out
 
Haha, I LOVE how people are still complaining that Snow Leopard is not PPC bound. I mean, WHY are you guys still complaining? It's been 3 years. That's long enough to support a machine. It's not like Snow Leopard is that much different than Leopard. Yes, it's got much better underpinnings, but it's basically the SAME OS as Leopard. It doesn't have that many new features. Like Apple themselves said, it's just a better Leopard. It's what Leopard should have been when it launched, had there not been an architecture change. :p

Besides, PPC was already dead after two years into the Intel transition. Software was already moving into Intel only, so that should be a good sign that it was considered obsolete technology. Now don't get me wrong here. I was a avid PPC user since 1999, so I've had my fair share of love for it. I've been through the OS9/OSX transition, and it's been amazing to see how OSX evolved through the years. But you know, technology has to move forward. What's the point in supporting the older machines when they don't even make modern day graphics card upgrades for it? :rolleyes:
 
Haha, I LOVE how people are still complaining that Snow Leopard is not PPC bound. I mean, WHY are you guys still complaining? It's been 3 years. That's long enough to support a machine. It's not like Snow Leopard is that much different than Leopard. Yes, it's got much better underpinnings, but it's basically the SAME OS as Leopard. It doesn't have that many new features. Like Apple themselves said, it's just a better Leopard. It's what Leopard should have been when it launched, had there not been an architecture change. :p

Besides, PPC was already dead after two years into the Intel transition. Software was already moving into Intel only, so that should be a good sign that it was considered obsolete technology. Now don't get me wrong here. I was a avid PPC user since 1999, so I've had my fair share of love for it. I've been through the OS9/OSX transition, and it's been amazing to see how OSX evolved through the years. But you know, technology has to move forward. What's the point in supporting the older machines when they don't even make modern day graphics card upgrades for it? :rolleyes:

reminds me of windows 7. Windows 7 is vista done right.

and on the part about moving on, we all know if it doesn't these same people who are complaining now, will be complaining about not moving on....
 
the version posted here is a complete fake. there's absolutely no consistency between that and the design of EVERY OS X that has been released so far.

why would apple completely change the design from the one they've been using for a while now on their own website. here's the snow leopard page with the purple/black background:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/
there's a photo of the disc on this page as well

here's a photo of the retail snow leopard box design on apple's site:
http://www.apple.com/macosx/notify-me.html

here's the server page with the blue/black background:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/

here's a photo of the server retail box:
http://www.apple.com/server/macosx/notify-me.html

anyone who thinks these "leaked" photos are real are fools

Because the ones on the Apple page are just placeholders, exactly like it's been with every OS release so far?
 
As long as I can:
emulate a PPC
so I can emulate a 68k
so I can run OS 3.2 on a Mac Plus emulator
to play Dark Castle -
I'm happy. ;)

btw: I'm sorta neutral on the packaging (a vain attempt to stay on topic...).
 
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