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Hmmm, kind of weird about all this "grading on a curve" reviews. This review from a life long Android user seems the most honest:

http://gizmodo.com/the-google-pixel...ium=sharefromsite&utm_source=Gizmodo_facebook

On the camera:
It still leaves you wanting more compared to the iPhone 7. The Pixel’s photos appeared to be washed out and just weren’t as vibrant as the ones we took with the new iPhone. I can’t imagine that making much difference if you’re just uploading photos for fun.

On the design:
The Pixel is an ugly phone. The design is a little fatter than last year’s Nexus 6P, and the bezel on the bottom lip of the phone is much bigger. Yuck. There’s also a big slab of glass at the top of the phone’s back that feels sticky and a little uncomfortable to hold. The design is nowhere near as sleek, clean, and easy to use as the iPhone 7.

Conclusion:
Take it from someone who has only ever owned an Android: The Pixel is not a major step forward for the platform.

and
If you’re like me, and have avoided the iPhone all these years, it’s time to give in. The iPhone is definitively better this year. The current roster of flagship Android phones are a complete joke. The Galaxy S7 at least looks nice, but it’s already more than six months old. If you must buy an Android phone, the Pixel makes a strong case. But I can no longer heartily endorse buying an Android, because if this is the best phone available, it’s time to move on.
 
So... It only took 8 years for Google/Android to actually compete with the iPhone, and yet:

- It's not water resistant (1 year behind)
- It's still not quite as fast or responsive as the iPhone (1-2 years behind)
- The design is stale, more on par with the iPhone 6 (2-3 years behind)
- The camera doesn't have OIS, even on the XL model (2-3 years behind)
- They still have no solution remotely close to rivaling iMessage (5+ years behind)
- The app & accessory ecosystems are still nowhere close either (indefinitely behind)
- They have no comparable deep integration with a desktop OS (indefinitely behind, Chrome OS doesn't count)
- They have no physical stores to have your device serviced/replaced same-day (indefinitely behind)
- Verizon-exclusive??? What is this, 2007?
- They are far more lax on privacy, since 90% of their revenue is from ads, not products (vastly inferior on so many levels)
- I think I could go on for a while.
- In all fairness, the screen resolution, image sensor, and personal/voice assistant are better than the iPhone. (1-2 years ahead?)

All this, and they still charge the same price as the iPhone? What are they smoking?

I'm mostly an Android user. I've used nexuses, Nexii? in the past. I have a Samsung Device, and I wouldn't mind the Google Pixel myself.

But $650? or $899 Canadian? its a good phone, i have little complaints with what I see. BUt it's not a $650 phone. It's on par IMHO with the OnePlus3 and those higher "mid range" devices. The price is a massive turn off for me. I'm no stranger to paying that for a phone, but I can't in my mind, justify it for the Pixel
 
Seems to be a very good product. This is great news for both Android and iOS customers, as competition will increase future innovation.


Sure, Apple gets dinged for supposedly lacking innovation. Yet, the Pixel looks exactly like an iPhone, lacks many features of the iPhone, and is being hailed as a great phone?
 
"I will spend my last dying breath if I need to, and I will spend every penny of Apple's $40 billion in the bank, to right this wrong. I'm going to destroy Android, because it's a stolen product. I'm willing to go thermonuclear war on this,"

Steve Jobs.
This quote will stay with me forever and I adopt the philosophy because Android imitates iOS to the point where it lacks consistency and quality. That's why so many have just updated their iOS device every 1-2 years. The next version does require much more learning to use.

The review on the video? Seriously? The guy is making excuses for the lack of quality in the product. Especially the missing features that the iP7 is quite far ahead in terms of photography and now design in regards to waterproofing.

Google missed a trick here to not go all out to find some new USP for people to buy into. Google Assistant? It looks like an Alpha/Beta of the next version of Siri. Better but not that much better. Voice assistants haven't been majorly adopted because us humans like to talk to something that gives the response we want. I accept Siri is a bit basic, but it does the job.

Pixel will get them into the market more now because Samsung will take a huge knock because of the Note-saga. Will future versions of Android not be radically changed because Google can determine a long-term design strategy? Time will tell. It's the only way they'll compete "toe to toe" with Apple.
 
I kind of enjoy all the great service but I am a little worried that the world is being controlled by few companies. When Google builds the hardware(Pixel), OS(Android), the software (Chrome), and the service (Gmail) we are probably creating our future monster. Same goes to Apple.

More competition and more diversity is needed.
 
I kind of enjoy all the great service but I am a little worried that the world is being controlled by few companies.

More competition and more diversity is needed.
The challenge isn't Google or Microsoft in terms of domination, it's the 800 lb. gorilla known as Apple Inc.

The cult like following of emotionally dependent devotees are unlike customers of any other company. Steve Jobs greatest accomplishment was creating nurturing and growing the massive group of followers that hung on his every word. That believed then, and continue to believe in Apple Magic. Reading into things like what's ahead, speculation of future moves Apple might make like it's magical.

It's no wonder they develop emotional ties to things like iMessage that make them feel special. Apple has the power over their customers like no other.
 
MacRumors editors seem to have developed a distaste for Apple products in recent years. Compare the headline for this thread...

Pixel Phone Reviews: A 'Truly Great Camera' and a 'Home Run' for Google

... to the review summary thread title for the iPhone 7...

iPhone 7 Reviews: 'Terrific Phones' That Offer a 'Foundation' for the Future, But Not an Essential Upgrade

MacRumors can't seem to resist throwing a slightly negative spin on all things Apple.

I imagine that the reason for this is primarily financial, as discussed in this well written iMore article: Pixel, iPhone 7, and Grading on a Curve (it is well worth reading the whole thing!).

The popular press has a weird relationship with Apple. They tend to be massive users of Apple's products, even as they take any excuse, real or imagined, to stick Apple in doomsday headlines. It makes sense — Apple has terrifically usable products, and those headlines garner huge amounts of negative attention. As long as you're willing to swallow the contradiction, it's win/win. Well, for everyone but readers and consumers.

 
MacRumors editors seem to have developed a distaste for Apple products in recent years. Compare the headline for this thread...

Pixel Phone Reviews: A 'Truly Great Camera' and a 'Home Run' for Google

... to the review summary thread title for the iPhone 7...

iPhone 7 Reviews: 'Terrific Phones' That Offer a 'Foundation' for the Future, But Not an Essential Upgrade

MacRumors can't seem to resist throwing a slightly negative spin on all things Apple.

I imagine that the reason for this is primarily financial, as discussed in this well written iMore article: Pixel, iPhone 7, and Grading on a Curve (it is well worth reading the whole thing!).

The popular press has a weird relationship with Apple. They tend to be massive users of Apple's products, even as they take any excuse, real or imagined, to stick Apple in doomsday headlines. It makes sense — Apple has terrifically usable products, and those headlines garner huge amounts of negative attention. As long as you're willing to swallow the contradiction, it's win/win. Well, for everyone but readers and consumers.

So called journalists. Pfff....
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Pixel's camera CRUSHES the iPhone's camera. It comes down to sensor size,

iPhone: 1/3" sensor, 1.22 µm pixels 17.30 mm2
Pixel: 1/2.3" sensor, 1.55 µm pixels, 28.07 mm2.

No amount of image processing can make up for a sensor that is 62% of the area of the competition's.

In comparisons it also looks like the Pixel handles white point far better than the iPhone.

What about the tele lens module? It features an even smaller 1/3.6" sensor.

The 7 Plus's camera is an insult to Apple users.
Pretty pictures for an insult.
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So... It only took 8 years for Google/Android to actually compete with the iPhone, and yet:

- It's not water resistant (1 year behind)
- It's still not quite as fast or responsive as the iPhone (1-2 years behind)
- The design is stale, more on par with the iPhone 6 (2-3 years behind)
- The camera doesn't have OIS, even on the XL model (2-3 years behind)
- They still have no solution remotely close to rivaling iMessage (5+ years behind)
- The app & accessory ecosystems are still nowhere close either (indefinitely behind)
- They have no comparable deep integration with a desktop OS (indefinitely behind, Chrome OS doesn't count)
- They have no physical stores to have your device serviced/replaced same-day (indefinitely behind)
- Verizon-exclusive??? What is this, 2007?
- They are far more lax on privacy, since 90% of their revenue is from ads, not products (vastly inferior on so many levels)
- I think I could go on for a while.
- In all fairness, the screen resolution, image sensor, and personal/voice assistant are better than the iPhone. (1-2 years ahead?)

All this, and they still charge the same price as the iPhone? What are they smoking?
3 grams of mushrooms and a blueberry kush?
 
Actually I think cutting edge does mean the first to do it. "The latest or most advanced stage in the development of something," arguably if something is cutting edge does not mean it is the best. Apple is living proof of that. However, aside from the processor, I would hardly call it cutting edge.

Payment processing.. I'm not sure how Apple has a distinct advantage over the other services. Apple has marketed it better, just like everything else it does, but Android Pay and Samsung are right there. Re: Auto, again I think you may be mistaken because as many manufacturers are on Android Auto. In fact many cars just support both. Hyundai is one prime example, and Honda is moving it to Ridgeline and CRV for 2017 (it's already in the Civic and Accord). Home stuff, Google put its foot in the door with the Nest acquisition but it's coming. Really, the companies are pretty even on these other services. It's a matter of preference, really.

EDIT for more payment processing info: Google Wallet was around before Apple Pay right? That was arguably cutting edge. The problem was always that Nexus phones were never big sellers and for Google to organize all manufacturers around one NFC payment system and get all retailers to accept it in their terminals just was not going to happen. Apple comes in with a unified hardware and can promise retailers (or at least their terminals) exactly what to expect since they control hardware, so Apple Pay launches much better.

This phone, the Pixel, is arguably Google's hardware and by stepping into the ring they can create a software system (like Android Pay), set the standard, set the specs for manufacturers, and then push it. A lot depends on their phone actually selling though, and at this price point only Android die hards (such as myself) are buying.

So your definition of cutting edge ignores the actual deeper layers of the technology. It's like saying that no car can be innovative because the car is over a century old invention. I think you're being overly critical of Apple in that statement, you can turn that around on any hardware manufacturer. There's nothing cutting edge about any phone on the market...I've seen it all before.

How Apple has a distinct advantage now is partnerships, not marketing. They've had it on the market longer, they have negotiated better deals, and they have expanded further, globally. I'm not mistaken about Android Auto, you may see that many cars "support both" but take a bit of time to look further and you'll see that Android Auto is still "coming soon" to a lot of them. Home stuff is my current passion for technology, Google has fallen away in my purview and I'm moving on from my Nest products. That acquisition is one of the worst I've seen...and no, it's not preference at all, Google is lagging far behind right now. Their strategy isn't clear and considering their penchant for launching software before it's really ready for prime time, Apple being this far ahead publicly means Apple is probably even further along than we could know. Microsoft, who started this stuff in the 90's with their "future home", I can't believe they have let it get this far away from them that they're not even in the discussion.

Google Wallet is not a payment processor.

The Pixel looks great, they did a great job...especially to those of us who actually prefer the iPhone over the competition for reasons such as carrier branding, bloatware, modified Android, etc. But it could be heavily criticized for being "behind" the same way iPhones are.
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If you can't recognize the sarcasm and insults toward Android and figure out why they're being made, then I can't help you.

Pretty sure it's not me that needs help.
 
I'm mostly an Android user. I've used nexuses, Nexii? in the past. I have a Samsung Device, and I wouldn't mind the Google Pixel myself.

But $650? or $899 Canadian? its a good phone, i have little complaints with what I see. BUt it's not a $650 phone. It's on par IMHO with the OnePlus3 and those higher "mid range" devices. The price is a massive turn off for me. I'm no stranger to paying that for a phone, but I can't in my mind, justify it for the Pixel

Just been using a Pixel for the first time and believe me this is no OP3 phone. It actually makes the latest iPhone look Meh! How Google have made such a gorgeous phone is truly amazing, and so is pure Android. Seriously, if you removed the branding from both phones I'm convinced most savvy users would plump for the Pixel not the iPhone.
 
Read a few more articles, especially the commentary, you'll see they are heavily bias.

AppleInsider is the last place I'd go for a product comparison, or review. Engage, Verge etc are far better balanced.
That's fine, but it's a totally off topic thing. Daniel is by far the sharpest analytics out there, and that's the point. This particular article. It speaks for itself. I just wanted people to compare what MacRumors is serving up here in the form of what is clearly pure advertisement, to the factual point by point analysis of Pixel.

If you feel that MacRumors is presenting you with the facts, by all means go buy the Pixel if you need a new phone. I just want the readers the opportunity to compare the two very opposite presentations of this phone.

Especially the part about the Pixel camera, I mean you can see the photos, it's very clearly not a very good camera, but because MacRumors says it is, I should ignore what my eyes can see?
That's fanboyism on a totally new level.
 
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This is good. Competition is healthy and spurs companies onto greater things.

Apple and Samsung are being put on notice by Google and Huawei.

Us consumers will benefit.


Huawei? lol look at the Xaomis. You really think people are going to be OK with buying those type of phones?

Thats like making your kid wear payless shoes in high school, I'm not knocking on people going through tough financial situations, but majority of users want the bigger brands. Most want an apple product, yes there are many users that prefer android, but compared to # of users (around the world) that want an iPhone, it is minuscule. (Sales statistics don't include the fact that most people in the world cannot afford an iPhone, only couple countries had the "$200" dollar base iPhone price with 2 year contract.
 
Either Apple stops amassing every dime off profit and starts putting more into r&d or soon enough they will wonder where everybody's gone.

Siri is laughable and I don't want to get nickel & dimed on iCloud storage. Time for unlimited free iCloud, I've payed the device tax and spend enough in your Eco system. Reward my loyalty or eventually you won't seen a cent from me and many others should we leave.
 
I thought the point of android was to be cheap. Not try to be more like the iPhone

There are plenty of expensive, premium Android phones. I'm not really sure theres a specific point to Android other than being a alternative OS for phones, but I think part of the point of Android is so that users can buy a cheap phone or an expensive phone but still be on the same platform. You could compare Android to Windows. You chose the hardware you want, but the platform remains the same.
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Huawei? lol look at the Xaomis. You really think people are going to be OK with buying those type of phones?

Thats like making your kid wear payless shoes in high school, I'm not knocking on people going through tough financial situations, but majority of users want the bigger brands. Most want an apple product, yes there are many users that prefer android, but compared to # of users (around the world) that want an iPhone, it is minuscule. (Sales statistics don't include the fact that most people in the world cannot afford an iPhone, only couple countries had the "$200" dollar base iPhone price with 2 year contract.

"Most want an apple product" I beg to differ. Plenty of people want an iPhone, but to say most is an over exaggeration.

"there are many users that prefer android, but compared to # of users (around the world) that want an iPhone, it is minuscule" I'm pretty sure theres a substantial number of people who want and prefer Android phones over iPhones.

Honestly your whole paragraph makes it sound like iPhones are the most coveted devices on the planet but nobody can afford them. Hate to burst your bubble, but brands like LG, Samsung, and HTC all make phones that cost the same as an iPhone, especially on contract. If people truly wanted iPhones to the degree you say they do, then nobody would buy these premium level Android phones, yet these premium Android phones are some of the best selling handsets in the market.

Also, if your assertion that most of the world wants an iPhone, but can't afford one, was true, you would think Apple would re-evaluate their strategy.

iPhones aren't special. Of all the people I know theres an almost even split of iPhone and Android users.
 
Especially the part about the Pixel camera, I mean you can see the photos, it's very clearly not a very good camera, but because MacRumors says it is, I should ignore what my eyes can see?
That's fanboyism on a totally new level.

You're joking right? The Verge, which has consistently rated iPhones (and most other Apple Products) higher than any other manufacturer or ecosystem, said the camera is on par, possibly better (depending on who you ask) with the iPhone 7.

Google product VP Brian Rakowski calls this "the best smartphone camera anyone has ever made." Usually you don't hear such bold claims, but he's confident — DxOMark gave it the highest score it's ever given a phone.

But benchmarks are one thing, results are very much another. Luckily for Google, the results on the Pixel are very, very good. I put it in the same ballpark as the iPhone 7 and the Galaxy S7 in most situations, which is not something I expected to say going in.

The Pixel bested the iPhone in picking up detail and color in my test shots. To my eyes, it seems to be making more pleasing decisions with lighting and HDR, too. I want to put the emphasis on "more pleasing," because my hunch is that if we looked at the raw input each sensor is getting we'd be hard-pressed to tell the difference. Instead, the distinctions between all three of these phone cameras are more about the stylistic decisions each company is making. Both Google and Samsung are slightly more aggressive at processing the image into something pleasing, while the iPhone seems to give a more natural look.

...Bottom line: if you wanted to agree with Google and call this the best smartphone camera, I wouldn't argue with you. Instead I would say that picking the best camera among the Pixel, the iPhone 7, and the Samsung Galaxy S7 is more a matter of personal preference than it is of pure picture quality. And I would add that I don't think Google would have gotten this far if it hadn't controlled both the hardware and the software from the start.



Source:http://www.theverge.com/2016/10/18/13304090/google-pixel-phone-review-pixel-xl
 
There are plenty of expensive, premium Android phones. I'm not really sure theres a specific point to Android other than being a alternative OS for phones, but I think part of the point of Android is so that users can buy a cheap phone or an expensive phone but still be on the same platform. You could compare Android to Windows. You chose the hardware you want, but the platform remains the same.
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"Most want an apple product" I beg to differ. Plenty of people want an iPhone, but to say most is an over exaggeration.

"there are many users that prefer android, but compared to # of users (around the world) that want an iPhone, it is minuscule" I'm pretty sure theres a substantial number of people who want and prefer Android phones over iPhones.

Honestly your whole paragraph makes it sound like iPhones are the most coveted devices on the planet but nobody can afford them. Hate to burst your bubble, but brands like LG, Samsung, and HTC all make phones that cost the same as an iPhone, especially on contract. If people truly wanted iPhones to the degree you say they do, then nobody would buy these premium level Android phones, yet these premium Android phones are some of the best selling handsets in the market.

Also, if your assertion that most of the world wants an iPhone, but can't afford one, was true, you would think Apple would re-evaluate their strategy.

iPhones aren't special. Of all the people I know theres an almost even split of iPhone and Android users.
Agreed. I believe iPhone stopped feeling special after 2010. Even their iPhone Special Edition lost its luster fast. The more special and superior from Apple deals with computers. This is Apple's roots. Superior but nobody pays attention to them compared to the more cookie-cutter and restrictive iOS that lacks drag and drop files and torrent apps.

Good job, Google and HTC. Still not interested. Note7 was the only 2016 flagship in my heart until it gave me heart burn. Mistakes from Samsung and LG forced me to look into Apple. But not iPhone, per se, but actually something more useful like a MacBook. Microsoft Windows also forced me into Macs.

For a couple hundred dollars more, you can get a MacBook and it will hold its value far better than any flagship smartphone priced at $700 including iPhones and Pixels. A used MacBook can go for $600. An iPhone will drop to $200 being the same age.

Older MacBook + Android phone is a total win for me. You want longevity from Apple, get a Mac. The only product line from Apple that deserves to be sought out except it gets overshadowed by overrated iOS devices.
 
I don't think price will be the driving factor. Samsung Galaxy devices are as expensive as iPhones and I know plenty of people who jumped ship.

As weird as it sounds, people associate price with premium, and the cheaper Nexus line always felt like more of a budget phone. Some people want that premium price to make it seem like they have the best on the market, so if you're willing to pay for an iPhone, you'll be willing to switch to Googles premium alternative.
 
God it looks so stupid with the giant bezels and software buttons. You can almost justify it on the iPhone since it has the button, and for the sake of symmetry, but it looks so bad with the blank uneven bezel.
 
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