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PLEASE NOTE: Current MBP is lightyears behind!

Blah Blah Blah... Beat this thread to death!

The point is that both Microsoft and Apple systems give the end-user statistically similar performance for statistically similar price. Can you differentiate the loading of the MacRumors website with either Microsoft or Apple? Neither could I.

One could argue for days whether it is Microsoft or Apple that ends up saving a whopping $150. People will buy which system suites them best. Not much more to say. But I'm sure we will.
 
wrong

a light year is indication of a distance, has nothing to do age.
1 light year = 9.4605284 × 1015 meters

"YEARS behind" would be the preferred title
 
joecool99 said:
a light year is indication of a distance, has nothing to do age.
1 light year = 9.4605284 × 1015 meters

"YEARS behind" would be the preferred title
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One could take the title as a reference as to how far behind Apple hardware has fallen. ...like no quad core cpus in even the current line.

Cheers,
 
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nateo200 said:
I want to kill this entire thread with fire. This is seriously the most pointless 5 pages on this forum right now. Yeah we needed to be informed that Core 2 duo's are outdated after the 15 other threads I've waded through looking for something useful. Its good apple doesn't jump on brand new technology so they can see how it fairs in other computers and work on that.:rolleyes:

Is this a joke? You talk about business sense and try to go down to a granular level but leave out glaring omissions?

System Builders are paid for the stickers they put on their machines. Intel wants Apple to put "Int3lzz NSYDE!" on their boxes and will pay $$$. Apple refuses. Wintel Builders do, bringing down the cost.

Personally, I think badges are ok on my custom boxes, but that's a design choice that Apple's made and the costs savings aren't realized by Apple customers.

Next, many machines have crapware preinstalled on the machine (I don't think i've ever unboxed one that didn't), much to the chargrin of the user. Again, Apple chooses not to have random vendors (think ClamXav, M$, game devs) litter the default install with trialware garbage and then CHARGE THE END USER to remove it.

Obviously there's other factors that influence the price. Still, I'd rather pay for the maseratis in cupertino than get thrown under the bus by an OEM who will knowingly install garbage like norton which makes the machine c.r.a.w.l right out of the box.
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You sir know wtf your talking about unlike most. Idk if every employee drives a maserati, my MacBook is still cool and I hate crapware more than anything else, especially when it runs in the background sucking up RAM.
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Excuses
 
If apple doesn't give the mbp 13" sandy bridge and improved graphics, I'll get something else non apple. I've never had a problem with any os.
 
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Funkymonk said:
If apple doesn't give the mbp 13" sandy bridge and improved graphics, I'll get something else non apple. I've never had a problem with any os.
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Absolutely right mate. I agree completely. It's about time consumers like you and stand up against this slow product design and old products. We have a voice and will not be exploited when other manuf are up to date with current trends
 
kamil.amersi said:
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Absolutely right mate. I agree completely. It's about time consumers like you and stand up against this slow product design and old products. We have a voice and will not be exploited when other manuf are up to date with current trends
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Who are they exploiting? Does your livelihood depend on a MBP?

I doubt very much any opinions will be taken on board if they are towards the end of the development plan. Just sit back and see what Apple comes out with. If you wanted to make noise, you should have done it last summer like many have already done because it really is too late now.
 
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Funkymonk said:
If apple doesn't give the mbp 13" sandy bridge and improved graphics, I'll get something else non apple. I've never had a problem with any os.
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Have you ever tried using Vista for an extended period if time?

I persuaded the IT company to reinstall XP on my work machine.
 
kamil.amersi said:
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Absolutely right mate. I agree completely. It's about time consumers like you and stand up against this slow product design and old products. We have a voice and will not be exploited when other manuf are up to date with current trends
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Exploited? Really??
Last time I checked buying a Mac was a choice not a compulsory requirement (unlike windows in many cases) so the consumer has a choice to buy a Mac or a PC and plenty of opportunity to research the benefits/drawbacks of each platform and plenty of people still walk right past the overheating quad core PC laptops with their 1.5 hour battery life and buy an "underpowered" MBP instead.

OSX makes much better use of available resources than Windows does so you can do more with less power/weight/heat and get vastly better battery life into the bargain.

In the last quarter around 4 million or so people made that decision so are they all just misguided and exploited, hardly...

Note to self: stop feeding troll.
 
SandboxGeneral said:
What evidence do you have to support this claim in a technical sense?
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I have no actual evidence, it's just the feeling I get. I worked on several laptops from Apple which were a couple years old and also on several laptops 'not Apple' which were several years old, and no matter what the specification were I had the feeling that on the Apple stuff everything worked smoother and faster. Of course this is not evidence at all and just a subjective feeling. But I am using Windows PC's/laptops for more than 15 years and from the beginning I never had the feeling the computers, in a relative way, actually got faster. Absolutely yes, the hardware became faster, but no matter if I worked 15 years ago on a 15 year old computer or 5 year ago on a 5 year old computer, eventually there were always the same problems. By time, everything gets slowler, the way the computer starts up, the way programs start up etc. etc.
And unfortunately I don't have enough Apple experience to get a good comparison, but I never ever heard somebody telling me they had to format their Apple computer in order to get it quicker. And on a 'normal' computer it is impossible to get it back to 0 potential again, no matter how hard you try, whether you use register clean up programs, you defragment your drive, you clean it up, you remove programs, etc. etc. it will never ever get back to the potential it has when it's just formatted.
And this is my evidence for so far you can call it evidence of course.
 
Have you ever tried using Vista for an extended period if time?
I persuaded the IT company to reinstall XP on my work machine.
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I left PC mainly because of Vista (never bought it, just tried working on it). If Microsoft can blow out of the water a fine machine such as XP for that... pile of confusion called Vista, then you have to abandon ship.

But both Mac and PC have their failings, especially for the millions of us who use it mostly for word processing and internet.
 
kamil.amersi said:
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Absolutely right mate. I agree completely. It's about time consumers like you and stand up against this slow product design and old products. We have a voice and will not be exploited when other manuf are up to date with current trends
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You have no rights and you are not being exploited... why the drama?
Yes, you have a voice... vote with your $$
If Apple does not give you what you want, buy something else
It really is that simple

If HP has what you want... then buy it
Why demand that Apple have what HP has?
Just by the damn HP

I never understand why people want to turn a MBP into an Alienware laptop
If that is what you want, buy it and leave my MBP alone

It would be like walking into McDonalds and asking for a Whopper

Counter Person: May I help you?

Me: I'd like a Whopper, fries and a shake

Counter Person: I'm sorry sir, we don't serve Whoppers, but we have the Big Mac

Me: Does it have tomatoes and mayo and a quarter pound of beef?

Counter Person: No, it has two all beef patties, special sauce, pickles, onions and a sesame seed bun

Me: Hmmm, sounds... old... I'll have a Whopper, thanks

Counter Person: But sir, we don't sell Whoppers

Me: I want to see the Manager

Manager: Can I help you?

Me: I demand you make me a Whopper

Manager: Sir, we don't sell Whoppers, but you can get one next door at Burger King

Me: I want a McDonald's Whopper and I want it NOW

Manager: Sir, we don't sell Whoppers, if you want a Whopper, you have to go to Burger King

Me: I am not going to stand for you selling inferior burgers to the Whopper. I am tired of being exploited at McDonalds with this crap you call a burger. I demand you stay up with current trends and sell me a Whopper.

Manager: NEXT!
 
kamil.amersi said:
As a previous poster mentioned, Asus, HP, Samsung and Toshiba all have sandy bridge notebooks out however it would seem that our premium priced favourites could not keep up with the competition. there has STILL not been a new mbp relearse in line with current technology nor has there been much media attention on mbp in relation to ipad and iphone. It would seem from the conference call and earnings filing released last week that these products are where the highest growth is and so the company seems to be focusing more of its inovvation efforts that. although this makes business sense, it does mean the mbp will be taking a clear backseat in terms of apples priorities.

essentially, it would seem that uptake of the mac hasnt been as great in relation to the whole pc market as apple would have like and hence is now focusing its attention on the i stuff to please investors

as a result, instead of buying last sasons left overs at overly inflated prices (and comparing the specs with any other noteok will book will reveal they are), the rational thing to do is to opt for modern (or current rather) technolodgy and go for an HP envy of the super stylish new vaio... and ofcourse close down this forum as we are unlikely to see anything great from the mbp line as they are clearly light years behind the competition
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Clearly you are a noob. SB is coming with the MB refresh in May.
 
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Anyone?
 
tdream said:
Clearly you are a noob. SB is coming with the MB refresh in May.
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O really? And you know this how? Which kinda also makes it all the more disgusting- 5 months without current technology. Enough to make you puke
 
panzer06 said:
One could take the title as a reference as to how far behind Apple hardware has fallen. ...like no quad core cpus in even the current line.

Cheers,
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Quad core CPUs have a 45W TDP versus 35W with dual cores. With no form factor change, it should be no surprise that there are no quad core MBPs.
 
chrmjenkins said:
Quad core CPUs have a 45W TDP versus 35W with dual cores. With no form factor change, it should be no surprise that there are no quad core MBPs.
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Other OEMs can fit quad cores in 15" laptops just fine. The cooling system just needs a bit tweaking but I wouldn't be surprised if better thermal paste was enough (people who have reapplied it on their own have gotten much cooler temps). If Apple wants to do it, there is nothing stopping them.
 
kamil.amersi said:
O really? And you know this how? Which kinda also makes it all the more disgusting- 5 months without current technology. Enough to make you puke
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Enough to make you puke? Really?

Answer this question... why do you care what Apple puts in their machines?

Simple question... why do you care?
You can clearly buy what you want elsewhere, so why care?
What does it matter to YOU?
Why do YOU want Sandy Bridge in a MBP so badly when you can just go to Burger King and get one?

Does it make you puke that Toyota doesn't have the latest BMW engine?
Does it make you puke that Timex doesn't have Rolex innards?

Why do you care?
 
bigjobby said:
This thread holds no water. Is i5/i7 really 'lightyears behind'? The C2D on the 13" might be lagging but the OP's wording is highly exaggerated. Its as if the current MBPs are running 8-bit 6502 CPUs!

We all have choices. If you prefer what the Windoze units have to offer, nobody is stopping you... Just go for it. There are many, many factors why people buy Apple and likewise with a Win7 unit and it really is fruitless making comparisons based on specs alone.

From a business perspective, there is no point Apple trying to buy-in the new CPUs just yet when all the Windoze notebook manufacturers are scrapping amongst themselves within their directly competing markets. In a nutshell, high component demand equates to higher components prices and higher probability of shortages and these higher prices will cut into the bottom line. Likelihood of shortages and delays is also higher and leads to poor customer service and disgruntled customers which really isn't Applesque. So Apple waits a bit, gets better component prices and more reliable deliveries whilst maintaining margins. If you understand business, you will understand what I'm getting at.


Lastly, the other day a went to the Apple Store with a small problem with my trackpad. 5 mins later, I was leaving with the part replaced and MBP running perfectly. Just can't see this kind of service happening when purchasing a Win notebook.
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Best argument yet. Good points bigjobby.
 
MacDawg said:
You have no rights and you are not being exploited... why the drama?
Yes, you have a voice... vote with your $$
If Apple does not give you what you want, buy something else
It really is that simple

If HP has what you want... then buy it
Why demand that Apple have what HP has?
Just by the damn HP

I never understand why people want to turn a MBP into an Alienware laptop
If that is what you want, buy it and leave my MBP alone

It would be like walking into McDonalds and asking for a Whopper

Counter Person: May I help you?

Me: I'd like a Whopper, fries and a shake

Counter Person: I'm sorry sir, we don't serve Whoppers, but we have the Big Mac......
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Hahahahahaha! Funniest argument yet! Love it.
 
Has this 6 pages actually changed the thought of anyone? It seems everyone has the same opinion before this, and 20 other similar threads, even started.

You have 2 parties:
-people who justify the cost of the MBP
-people who do not justify the cost of the MBP
 
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