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PLEASE NOTE: Current MBP is lightyears behind!
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It appears to me that the OP started this thread for the sole purpose of arguing. There have been many points and counter-points made and no one is changing their mind or acknowledging the other sides' view.
MacDawg made the perfect analogy with the Burger king/McDonalds bit and the OP doesn't really care to address the questions he kept posing. OP wants Apple to jump through his hoops and sing to his tune and since they don't he comes here to bash the company. But he won't go buy the HP with SB in it that he so desperately wants the MBP to have.
MacDawg made the perfect analogy with the Burger king/McDonalds bit and the OP doesn't really care to address the questions he kept posing. OP wants Apple to jump through his hoops and sing to his tune and since they don't he comes here to bash the company. But he won't go buy the HP with SB in it that he so desperately wants the MBP to have.
That's just apple being lazy or obsessed with thin. There's a reason they don't specify which CPU (just i5 or i7); they just want people to see the latest CPU class wo disclosing their lack of performance CPUs.
Hammer, I respect you more with each post.
Cheers,
Why wouldn't he care what's in his computer? If you're spending a large chunk of money you want to be sure you're getting your money's worth. Most people don't JUST want SB. They also want things such as OS X, the trackpad and unibody of the MBP.
And since when is the MBP the Timex of computers? With the amount Apple charges and the way they look they're more like the Rolex of computers. You apparently are saying that they have the equivalent of Timex innards however.
None of this matters anyway since SB will be in MBP's within 3 months time.
It definitely matters if its a full OS or not. If we are comparing features between OSs then I can easily say Windows lost since Microsoft charges for an OS that even at its full version doesn't have everything Mac OS does (native ISO support, Multiple desktops, built in differential backup, etc). I work with Windows for a living and I can tell you easily it doesn't match the features of OSX. There is seriously not one thing I can think of where Windows has the upper hand.
Theres still the glaring fact at the sheer expense of MS's development tools.
Anyway I'm done with this thread after seeing stuff the OP is writing. He's clearly a troll and I'm out of troll food.
What would you call Windows Backup? Puh-lease, Windows has different features than OS X. There's a reason why you make your money working with Windows for a living, not OS X.
You sir are an imbecile. First of all, Apple doesn't make their own hardware, they get it from FoxConn. If they wanted to, they could easily have Sandy Bridge MBPs shipping next week. Thing is, Apple doesn't do that, they update the whole line on a nice ~12 month cycle.
Second of all, you don't buy an Apple computer just because it's Apple unless you are a spoiled hipster teenager. You buy it because of it's longevity, or because of the software's ease of use. Not to rub your little friend's faces in.
That data is really old. I could only find 3rd Qtr results (09 to 10) compared to other PC suppliers. All the 4Q numbers were predictions from last year this time. It may not be #1 growth in the market but I would consider it far from stagnant. iPad is not included in those sales numbers (as it shouldn't be).
https://www.macrumors.com/2010/10/13/apples-share-of-computer-sales-surpasses-10-in-u-s/
If I buy a bag of chips, I want the price to match how much I enjoy the chips. Why would I pay money for chips that just taste disgusting? I wouldn't. So why would I pay money for a laptop that runs Windows? I wouldn't.
I get your point. I fully understand your point. And it is completely wrong. You have a small-minded, limited view of "specs" which excludes all the important things that actually count. I don't buy a computer for what is "in it", just like I don't buy rancid potato chips because I'm told I get a lot of chips for my money. I buy a computer for what I can do with it. Not for what the computer can do, but for what _I_ can do with it.
I will correct you: The only people who care only about a very, very limited subset of the specs that really count, like the thread starter, are those who have problems taking a wider view of things and who have to limit themselves to some easily understood numbers.
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Intel and nvidia may have disagreed over the use of nvidia chips but Apple didn't budge at all on the physical dimensions of its 13 " notebook which left no room for the possibility of a discrete graphics card in its baby pro machine.
And led to the call from many users on this site to drop the optical drive in order to bump the processor up to the i series.
Anyway is the full range of SB available right now or is it being released over a few months? Have the pc manufacturers bought out all the available chips
like Acer and a couple of others appeared to do when the i3 was first released? Apple can hardly be accused of being light years behind if the chips are not there.
Only the quad core SB procs are out. So unless Apple changes direction and starts using mobile QC in the MBP you'll have to wait until the lower end dual core SB chips are released over the next few months.
Cheers,
I think it is about time Apple introduces quad-core in MBP. Since QCs are becoming norm in $1000 categories, I think it would be ridiculous if Apple does not have QC on $2000+ high-end 15" and 17"
With Increased battery capacity as well as improved power management should enable 7+ hrs on QCs.
With Increased battery capacity as well as improved power management should enable 7+ hrs on QCs.
What he was trying to convey was why does he care whether the MBP get sandybridge. Obviously if he has a mac or even for that matter is on this forum he already made his choice and should live with it point blank. "I dont know whether he has a mac or not"
One simple saying sums it up if you dont like something dont freaking buy it.There are other options for sandybridge out. Seriously so unless he's a shareholder who cares what he thinks they should do.
This thread is sad...
'Light years behind' in what, may I ask?
Battery life: MBP has the edge on (as far as I can tell) any other full size device available today.
Design: Arguably, MBP still has the edge.
Build quality: MBP still has the edge, though others are slowly catching up.
Display: As far as quality, the MBP's display is fantastic. Resolution is still very good; I'm not on the 'I need a ton of resolution to get something done' bandwagon. If you are, you're a) a graphics or video aficionado or b) just looking for reasons to not do something.
The only places where they lag behind is in the processor and graphics. For most people, no body gives a damn. This MBP feels incredibly snappy. That's all I care about; Sandy Bridge will be great, but it doesn't make my current machine any slower. You are making this thread in the months before Apple refreshes their lineup. Of course things will be a little dated by now; the machines have been out for probably a year (as far as development time to present goes). It's the one true downside of not flooding the market with crap PCs running the latest Nvidia graphics chip, or the latest AMD Fusion chipset.
Also, what happens when the next computers come out with Sandy Bridge, and rumors hit about Ivy Bridge? The Sandy Bridge computers become (magically) complete, repugnant, slow, boring pieces of ****. Of course, any other models that came out before that become even slower, and are continually shoved into the mud that makes up Apple's previous products. Right?
No.
This is how technology goes. OP, you obviously don't get this. You can't freeze the tech industry, just because you don't want your computer to become obsolete.
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'Light years behind' in what, may I ask?
Battery life: MBP has the edge on (as far as I can tell) any other full size device available today.
Design: Arguably, MBP still has the edge.
Build quality: MBP still has the edge, though others are slowly catching up.
Display: As far as quality, the MBP's display is fantastic. Resolution is still very good; I'm not on the 'I need a ton of resolution to get something done' bandwagon. If you are, you're a) a graphics or video aficionado or b) just looking for reasons to not do something.
The only places where they lag behind is in the processor and graphics. For most people, no body gives a damn. This MBP feels incredibly snappy. That's all I care about; Sandy Bridge will be great, but it doesn't make my current machine any slower. You are making this thread in the months before Apple refreshes their lineup. Of course things will be a little dated by now; the machines have been out for probably a year (as far as development time to present goes). It's the one true downside of not flooding the market with crap PCs running the latest Nvidia graphics chip, or the latest AMD Fusion chipset.
Also, what happens when the next computers come out with Sandy Bridge, and rumors hit about Ivy Bridge? The Sandy Bridge computers become (magically) complete, repugnant, slow, boring pieces of ****. Of course, any other models that came out before that become even slower, and are continually shoved into the mud that makes up Apple's previous products. Right?
No.
This is how technology goes. OP, you obviously don't get this. You can't freeze the tech industry, just because you don't want your computer to become obsolete.
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I agree with you but that Apple obsession with thin may make cooling an issue, though they have lots of smart folks over at Apple. I'm sure they could figure it out.
Cheers,
I believe that everyone on here knows that other pc companies max out there computers with the newest technology out there, but those same computer will fail ever faster than a mac will or have major issues before a mac will. It seems like apple fully prepared in advance before releasing anything and make sure that the computers are perfect.
So yeah I can wait I can pay more and I can live with it knowing my macbook will live at least 5 years in which 3 years with a warranty.
So yeah I can wait I can pay more and I can live with it knowing my macbook will live at least 5 years in which 3 years with a warranty.
Thankfully, the vast majority of the public doesn't judge a person's level of intelligence by their knowledge of Apple's business practices. And perhaps kwarren didn't cite the specifics of why someone buys an Apple computer because it was deemed to be self-evident.
iPhone, iPad and iPod.
Computer sales fell.
I'm not a psychiatrist either, but I think you may have an issue in need of medication.
So how would you know? How many posts have you made claiming Windows is infected with viruses and BSOD's when as a Windows user for the past thirteen years I know this to be pure rubbish?
What is all that "Genie" nonsense in OSX? Why is keeping track of open programs a nightmare in OSX while Windows 7 is perfectly organized on its taskbar?
Samsung 9 Series ZX310
B*****it. They shipped more than four million Macs last quarter. A quick Google search shows that that's the most they've ever shipped.
If you had done your homework, you would know that the only product that has declined in sales is the iPod. Which you named as one that has increased. So, forgive me, but I'm not taking much of your post for anything other than an angry rant now.
It isn't "pure rubbish." If you are smart, and watch where you go, and keep your antivirus in check, and your anti-malware, and Windows itself, it is completely avoidable. However, if I was a normal user looking for videos of 'The Wiggles' for my daughter, and a pop-up comes along and says that I need to update my Flash player, would I do it? Yeah. Was that a virus? You bet it was. (this is out of experience, by the way)
If you are unable to glance down at your dock and see what is open (either minimized, or with the little light that appears under running apps) then you may be the one who should seek some help.
Windows 7's interface is fine; however, don't act like it's amazing, and OS X's is terrible. They are equally functional.
I enjoy using my mac (MBP) because I feel it has a better construction, better customer service, better user interface(s), and an overall nicer feel.
This is all completely subjective.
I am willing to pay for these subjective qualities in spite of "higher specs" because for 99% of my use of a computer or more - and probably 95%+ of those reading this - the current MBP specs are perfectly fine for what I will do.
I pay extra for the experience types of things and not for specs. If a windows laptop were to compete with apple on the overall experience I may consider purchasing it instead as a result of a cost difference. They don't.
This is why I am now a likely lifetime mac user. It is not the specs. I do not care whether I have the "fastest laptop" if I do not enjoy using it.
The entire premise of this thread is based on faulty assumptions that I, as a mac user, care more about the statistical performance of a laptop I use hours each day than how well I actually enjoy using it.
This is all completely subjective.
I am willing to pay for these subjective qualities in spite of "higher specs" because for 99% of my use of a computer or more - and probably 95%+ of those reading this - the current MBP specs are perfectly fine for what I will do.
I pay extra for the experience types of things and not for specs. If a windows laptop were to compete with apple on the overall experience I may consider purchasing it instead as a result of a cost difference. They don't.
This is why I am now a likely lifetime mac user. It is not the specs. I do not care whether I have the "fastest laptop" if I do not enjoy using it.
The entire premise of this thread is based on faulty assumptions that I, as a mac user, care more about the statistical performance of a laptop I use hours each day than how well I actually enjoy using it.