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The issue is that he’s looking at baseline costs of $2.50 per month per user, just for the Reddit API. This doesn’t factor in other API call costs, server costs, etc. Add on other stuff, plus the 30% cut to Apple, and you’d need to charge somewhere in the range of $50-60 per year.

This is also assuming usage doesn’t change much. If usage changes dramatically, the costs can increase substantially, as it’s nearly 25 cents per 1000 API calls. He’d need to keep tabs on it, cut off high usage users on a regular basis, and likely go with a monthly (not annual) model and adjust prices frequently.

The other option is to just charge users per API request with a markup, meaning heavy users could easily be on the hook for $20 or $30 per month or more just for using Reddit.

Would have to be a variable month to month cost like you suggested. Some would pay nothing, but the heavy users would be an expensive monthly fee, or watch the numbers and find a middle ground. My guess is the Apollo users are on the high end of calls per month compared to the people not using Apollo.
 
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Imagine telling Wal-mart you will use their entire infrastructure for FREE to sell your own stuff and getting mad they now want to make you pay to use their store to sell your goods all while already charging users a monthly/yearly fee.
Would you be happy if Apple charged 60% of sales for use of their App Store instead of the 30% (which is already ridiculously high) ?? Perhaps 80% would be better?

I mean, if we're going to celebrate ripping off partners, let's hold Big Brother to the same standards!
 
EDIT: I just listened to part of the recorded conversation with the Reddit CEO and I'm siding with Reddit on this one. The guy behind Apollo seems to be some young punk that can't communicate professionally. It's like he kept fiddling with something while talking, and talking over the CEO. It was very unprofessional. 😳
Yeah, while I think Reddit’s timeline is much too short, and the new API fees higher than warranted, the communication quoted in the linked Reddit post felt very weird to me in its unprofessionality from the Apollo owner. It almost seems like he was unable to communicate in a thoughtful, straightforward manner using clear nonemotional language. In any case, the outcome is very unfortunate.
 
Really glad Christian recorded all his calls with Reddit so he could quickly dispel the BS lies they're trying to push.
Good advertisement for call recording, eh? I wonder how he did that, since you can't do it on an iPhone.

Yeah, while I think Reddit’s timeline is much too short, and the new API fees higher than warranted, the communication quoted in the linked Reddit post felt very weird to me in its unprofessionality from the Apollo owner. It almost seems like he was unable to communicate in a thoughtful, straightforward manner using clear nonemotional language. In any case, the outcome is very unfortunate.
It felt straightforward to me. If Apollo really costs them 20M a year, surely a measly 10M to end the problem forever would be nothing to them? The only reason it is unreasonable is that Reddit is lying and Apollo doesn't cost them nearly that much a year.
 
I deleted my Reddit account and explained why when it asked. Will not be asking for Apollo sub $ back.

Oh well, I've been wanting to focus my limited time on more worthwhile ventures anyway. Can't imagine anyone wanting to use the default app... This is what drove me to Apollo. Great app.

Hope Selig finds a new job!
Screw it, I'll delete my account too. I don't have any kind of sentiment towards my reddit account, so goodbye and FU to u/spez! :)
 
Imagine telling Wal-mart you will use their entire infrastructure for FREE to sell your own stuff and getting mad they now want to make you pay to use their store to sell your goods all while already charging users a monthly/yearly fee.
Exactly my opinion although I agree with Apollo on giving the 3rd party apps a few months to make changes like Apple did with Dark Sky.

I’m kinda indifferent towards Apollo at this point.
 
Again, since you clearly didn't read, it's not the fact that they want him tp pay. It's the PRICE they are charging is absolutely ridiculous. Thats the issue here.
That's the nuance that these black and white ultra pro-corporation sentiments are missing:

Reddit could ask for an amount that is feasible for Apollo and its users to pay so that both Reddit and Apollo (+ all other 3rd party clients) get a piece of a much bigger cake.

The dialogue between Christian Selig (Apollo owner) and Reddit seems to have been friendly and ongoing throughout the years even if there never was any collaboration or deals made.

But Reddit wants everything of a much smaller cake, the cake without all the 3rd party client users.

If this move doesn't kill Reddit, which I don't expect, then surely it's going to lose a demographic of couple million users and halt growth significantly.

Definitely the most outright "you need me but I never needed you" move Reddit could make and I certainly hope for them that they have the numbers to back up this kind of business strategy. Otherwise they are digging themselves a big hole.
 
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Finally, more time for sleep, exercise and quality family time with family, friends and extended family.
Average Apollo redditor on July 1st
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According to Chrisitans post there are only about 50,000 yearly subscribers, so it isn't being divided across 1.5 million people.
Mainly because subscriptions were voluntary because the overhead was low. Things obviously would have to change to support the new API fees. Apollo couldn't remain a free app anymore. I'm not saying it's an easy thing to pull off and reddit's API prices are still agreeably unreasonable. I was just pointing out it's not "impossible" as previously stated.

But with only 50k loyal users... it just can't work. Not for Apollo. It's just like anything that starts out free. Its extremely difficult to convert people to paying customers.
 
Wow, I hate to break it to Reddit, but a lot of these users won't be converting to the Reddit app. Personally, I'll probably just stop using Reddit all together.
I don’t believe you or anyone who says this. Maybe you’d have that resolve for a few weeks or even a couple months but you’d be back on Reddit via their app or otherwise.
 
Make sure to write “Apollo lives!” in the reason field.
I might go one step further and use Nuke Reddit History (overwrites and deletes all of your comments). Link Some of my past comments are contributions to well worth reading threads.....

Regardless, Steve Huffman is a greed addicted scumbag. If he wants to rip off consumers and get away with it, he should work at Apple.
 
I don’t believe you or anyone who says this. Maybe you’d have that resolve for a few weeks or even a couple months but you’d be back on Reddit via their app or otherwise.
Depends what you mean. My active presence on Reddit will die. It was already dying, and now that I’ll lose my main account on my favorite app I have no reason to remain active there. Will I still lurk by browser a couple of subs? Yeah.
 
I might go one step further and use Nuke Reddit History (overwrites and deletes all of your comments). Link Some of my past comments are contributions to well worth reading threads.....
Just leave them available for posterity.
Regardless, Steve Huffman is a greed addicted scumbag. If he wants to rip off consumers and get away with it, he should work at Apple.
Yep.
 
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I might go one step further and use Nuke Reddit History (overwrites and deletes all of your comments). Link Some of my past comments are contributions to well worth reading threads.....

Regardless, Steve Huffman is a greed addicted scumbag. If he wants to rip off consumers and get away with it, he should work at Apple.
Use the bot fast before it disappears also. All API apps are dooooommmmed!
 
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I am so happy Reddit.com will soon die or not be used as much.

Never really did like it.

Sometimes companies are their own worst enermy
Have you seen the sizes of their subs? r/wallstreetbets alone has 14M. Do you really think a few thousand users getting hurt over an app would make any dent? People are going to forget soon as another flash news come along. People believing otherwise are just delusional.
 
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