Porsche Taycan Gains Support for Apple Maps EV Routing

[Cuesca]

Overall there is some things that I wish the Tesla OS has, better integration with iOS(I would love to be able to play songs straight from my phone using the Tesla music App) would be great but its not a deal breaker for me. I own a car with Carplay as well as a Tesla, I prefer the Tesla UI.

 

[LimpHamster]

Only U.S based Taycan owners.. oh well,, I guess Europe got to wait for 3 years as usual : )

 

[HMI]

Put that in your tailpipe and smoke it, GM!

No, I think you’re mistaken.

GM cars with tailpipes (due to ICEs) will continue to support Apple CarPlay.
GM cars without tailpipes (EVs / most future GM cars) will no longer support Apple CarPlay.

You’re either smoking the wrong tailpipes, or you don’t have a tailpipe to smoke.
Either way, I’m sorry!

 

[4k78]

For the love of Tim, when is this coming out for other EVs??

I'd love to have it on my e-tron.

 

[wanha]

i'd love to see bmw implement this...

If they did, it'd cost you €4.99 per month

 

[szw-mapple fan]

i use cyberpunk as a testiment of how powerful the ryzen infotainment is. if it can handle the rasterization of a very demanding triple A title, it sure as hell can handle the basic map routing and screen fluidity.

Infotainment relies a lot more on a well designed UI/UX than good hardware since nothing that it does really need that much power. If you had the Tesla hardware running Toyota’s infotainment for example it would still be the same terrible system.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

For the love of Tim, when is this coming out for other EVs??

It will need some work between both parties and making the information available etc. For Polestar, the next update will make Apple Carplay use the multiple screens, so it can be in both the centre console and the binnacle, which is pretty cool.

I'm hoping the next upgrade is the sharing of typical EV information such as the state of charge, battery preconditioning etc. I really like what Apple and the car manufacturers are doing here.

 

[joecomo]

i'd love to see bmw implement this...

These are the guys, that wanted to make CarPlay a subscription …

This is the right strategy: support CarPlay (and maybe Android Auto) to give the customer choice. If you can provide an own offering with a benefit users might switch.

It will need some work between both parties and making the information available etc. For Polestar, the next update will make Apple Carplay use the multiple screens, so it can be in both the centre console and the binnacle, which is pretty cool.

I'm hoping the next upgrade is the sharing of typical EV information such as the state of charge, battery preconditioning etc. I really like what Apple and the car manufacturers are doing here.

well the manufacturers are more passive here - they would like to lock you into their ****** proprietary system (see GM)

If they did, it'd cost you €4.99 per month

I even have their pilot car for the CarKeys feature - do you think they release that to the buyers? no ****ing way.

Their strategy is/was to create physical car keys the size of an iPhone Max and sell that to you as “premium”.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

i use cyberpunk as a testiment of how powerful the ryzen infotainment is. if it can handle the rasterization of a very demanding triple A title, it sure as hell can handle the basic map routing and screen fluidity.

But that means nothing, that is just a valid testament that it has enough power. Navigation really isn't constrained on any system by the power of the head unit computer, nor phone, or anything like this.

This is more about the overall integration in the entirety of the car, the kind of routing decisions it makes, the routes being offered, how to deal with (adverse) events like traffic, incidents, need to fill up, etc. And whilst the Tesla system is not the worst, it doesn't come close to Android Automotive Operating System nor Apple CarPlay in those areas in my opinion. Then again, nor do their cars, to me, they are the Toyota of the EV word, they had first to market advantage, and I'll accredit helping pave the EV way, but now just running too far behind. Sure, there are some party tricks like the Plaid versions, but the styling is old-fashioned and dated now, build quality variable, seating positions not for the tall slim European builds, the interiors are terrible, and prices keep dropping. For quality or luxury or driver—focussed vehicle, there are now so many, so much better options. And that is the same with the Infotainment system.

 

[cyb3rdud3]

well the manufacturers are more passive here - they would like to lock you into their ****** proprietary system (see GM)

I thought GM was switching to the Android Automotive Operating System (AAOS). I've been running it for 13 months and 25k miles in our EV across 9 countries, and it is pretty good. It can definitely do the integrations with Apple CarPlay as well. Polestar, Renault, Volvo all do that.

 

[wanha]

Porsche isn't following GM's lead? Porsche is doomed. /s

 

[joecomo]

I thought GM was switching to the Android Automotive Operating System (AAOS). I've been running it for 13 months and 25k miles in our EV across 9 countries, and it is pretty good. It can definitely do the integrations with Apple CarPlay as well. Polestar, Renault, Volvo all do that.

I thought it was much worse:

GM thinks it can wean you off Apple CarPlay and Android Auto

GM’s Scott Miller thinks customers can be won over.

www.theverge.com

Anyhow doesn’t matter for me, GM has no car I would buy anyhow.

 

[wanha]

I even have their pilot car for the CarKeys feature - do you think they release that to the buyers? no ****ing way.

Their strategy is/was to create physical car keys the size of an iPhone Max and sell that to you as “premium”.

There's a *lot* to like in BMW as cars, but their approach to entertainment and accessibility has been very disappointing over the past several years.

 

[page3]

Is that a joke? Do you have a Tesla? Tesla infotainment and routing is near perfect.

It’s not, really.

Routing isn’t bad, although it struggles with correct roundabout exits. Other irritants include unhelpful map zoom levels, inability to quickly enable/disable voice, lack of infotainment volume reduction/pausing for instructions and more.

Infotainment again isn’t bad, but lacks CarPlay so that means no Audible, PlexAmp, Prologue, Waze, Apple Maps, A Better Route Planner etc etc. Voice integration is way below that of Siri too - it’s often more accurate to shout “Hey Siri” to make a call (which is then routed over Bluetooth) than it is to use the inbuilt functionality.

Much as I love my Tesla, praising everything about it unreservedly is simply unhelpful and gives Tesla no impetus to improve things.

 

[page3]

Say more about Tesla's "garbage" routing. What's wrong with it? I'm curious. I have no opinions since I don't have an EV (only rode in one once).

The routing and the maps are sourced from different providers leading to the laughable situating of having the maps show one thing, with navigation saying another - ie roundabout exits counted incorrectly.

 

[wanha]

lol in your dream. the ryzen infotainment in my tesla can play cyberpunk 2077, its literally ps5 level computing power.

so THAT's where all those PS5 processors went that caused two years of PS5 shortages!

 

[Scoob Redux]

... Also Tesla don't have a great system for discovery of locations as you're driving (say I need to stop as a grocery story quickly, I can only search for specific names and not categories).

That's not so much a feature as advertising. And it's a main reason I prefer OEM nav vs. Google. OEM was designed to perform a function for the driver. Google is designed to sell advertising or sell the driver's location data, but not to serve the driver.

 

[sflagel]

Is that a joke? Do you have a Tesla? Tesla infotainment and routing is near perfect.

I have driven multiple Teslas. The satellite navigation is horrid, it’s like 2010 Google Maps.

 

[sflagel]

Say more about Tesla's "garbage" routing. What's wrong with it? I'm curious. I have no opinions since I don't have an EV (only rode in one once).

It’s only a top level map view. No 3D, no indication which lane to be in. Very difficult to read.

 

[tripsync]

But that means nothing, that is just a valid testament that it has enough power. Navigation really isn't constrained on any system by the power of the head unit computer, nor phone, or anything like this.

plenty of mapping UI is constrained by the power in other cars.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1466812521403207680

https://twitter.com/x/status/1487197137494585345

https://twitter.com/x/status/1213965652379127808

 

[cyb3rdud3]

plenty of mapping UI is constrained by the power in other cars.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1466812521403207680

https://twitter.com/x/status/1487197137494585345

https://twitter.com/x/status/1213965652379127808

?? Again you are comparing to the overall system, no reason why for mapping that is the case. Also for a fair few the limitation is more likely to be network connectivity and mobile network speeds opposed to the ability to display a map and a route on it. LOL An old early PDA could do that, really don't get your point.

Besides this is about CarPlay, are you calling an iPhone slow?

 

[Fromthehiptothehop]

Next for Porsche is to enable a similar vehicle to CarPlay synchronization with their hybrid vehicles. If you use Porsche's in car navigation in one of their hybrid vehicles it will optimize the charging strategy based on your trip. I.e, if your trip has a highway portion that finishes with a drive through a city it will automatically charge your hybrid battery up using the engine when you're on the highway and switch to EV mode when you reach the city. Using CarPlay navigation should accomplish the same effect tbh.

Do you mean by recuperation? Charging the battery using the combustion engine doesn’t make sense.

 

[ofarlig]

Sounds great, now Apple just needs to fix Apple Maps so that is usable for anything. The data is so old that things that it can be 5 years out of date, half the places I want to navigate to doesn’t exist even if they have been there for many years so I have to google for the address if I want to use Apple Maps. Once it starts navigating it will try to send me up one way streets and take detours… And that is before we start talking about the bugs and lacking feature sets that happen when using Maps in CarPlay (doesn’t even support pinch to zoom).

It is bad when the ****** navigation in my BMW is better than Apple Maps, I do miss the Tesla nav since it could take me places and was easy to use without the use of Google and enter addresses. I was hoping my i4 would get Maps EV routing until I started using Apple Maps in CarPlay, I can’t even search for a contact and navigate there because of the bugs.

Maps is one of those things I cannot believe it is an Apple product because of how bad it is.

 

[Quasselstripper]

sounds like a good idea for a UI that could be used at 250 km/h

 

[arian19]

Is that a joke? Do you have a Tesla? Tesla infotainment and routing is near perfect.

He has never driven one. Tesla automatically routes you through their vast supercharging network and shows exactly how long each charge will take, optimized to minimize the total trip time. It shows you all the details and is seamless.

The two biggest missing features with Tesla navigation, is not being able to set an arrival charge level. Let’s say you’re going on a long road trip, and you want to arrive at your destination with at least 50% charge. For example, once you arrive you may want to explore the city and drive around. It’s currently incapable of doing this. This feature is available on A Better Route Planner.

Secondly, Tesla maps is currently lacking a lot of detail, which Apple Maps currently is leaps ahead on. For example there are no detailed lane instructions, and perspective mode on Tesla maps still feels like top down view. Perspective mode on Apple Maps allows you to be much closer to the road.

I feel like Tesla should just charge a monthly subscription for Apple CarPlay, it’d be a win-win for Tesla and consumers who really want it can have a choice.