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Just what does CarPlay do that you miss so much in the Tesla? Maybe I was missing some feature in CarPlay, but for me the Tesla does what I used CarPlay for, and is better integrated into the car, and no need to plug my phone in.
I did rent a Toyota this year that had wireless CarPlay, but it lagged so bad I would alway end up plugging the phone in anyway.
To me the whole Tesla system is clunky but by far the biggest difference is texting, in the Tesla it's almost nonsensical, you don't know whether it's sending, how to back out of words/characters, etc. and is just cumbersome to use. Let's put it this way, if you have to google how to use it then it's not a good design.

CarPlay never had a single issue and is far more intuitive.
 
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To me the whole Tesla system is clunky but by far the biggest difference is texting, in the Tesla it's almost nonsensical, you don't know whether it's sending, how to back out of words/characters, etc. and is just cumbersome to use. Let's put it this way, if you have to google how to use it then it's not a good design.

CarPlay never had a single issue and is far more intuitive.
The crazy part is texting in Tesla is better than it was when they first added the feature. :oops:
 
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there is a huge difference, i used to ride with someone who has a iphone 7 for her car navigation only, and the amount of time we had to stop cause apple map or google map bugged out was very frequent. now apply this to all the VW and Kia out there that has subpar infotainment system.
Sounds like there may be different issues with that phone or its internet connection.
as for Rovers, the dealership charged my family member 300 bucks just to update the software, and even then the bluetooth kept getting disconnected rendering the wireless carplay feature almost useless.
If that was for a Rover, then I doubt it, they never came with updatable software ;)

tesla is not a cheap car, 50k to start on the Y and 40k for the 3. sure they had their recent price slash but they doing that to gain marketshare, if you want to name a brand that is racing towards the bottom is kia/hyundai, their ioniq range is a whole class below what tesla offers and one test drive confirms that. the same can be said about VW's ID range.
It may not be cheap, but it is also not expensive. ;) Especially in the EV world, it is actually pretty cheap.

people don't buy tesla cause of price, i sure as hell didn't. folks are choosing tesla cause the superior combination of range/charging stations, and the best hardware/software integration. but most importantly, how well tesla's AP is. sure the basic AP is pretty much lane keeping and advance cruise control, but tesla does it better than anyone else i seen. and once you step up to FSD, tesla is pretty much in a league of itself. their HW4 with 5 mp setup is already miles ahead of even lucid whom i test drove the other day.
Range is not an issue on as good as all/any EV on the market, to use an old measurement for it Poronkusema is what they can all manage. Charging stations depends on heavily where in the world you are. It definitely used to be the case, and was the unique selling point. But whilst Tesla superchargers are now accessible to other cars, I've never actually had the need nor desire to use one. Here in Europe, there are so many other ultra-fast chargers available, besides about 90% of journeys for people start from home and return home. I get the anxiety by some, I had that as well at first, but it is no longer an issue.

Sure, Tesla makes a lot of its technology, but not all of it is good. Lane Keeping / Advanced Cruise Control is nothing new and very mature on many other makes. FSD is again a regional thing. But let's be honest, they also make mistakes and use software where ordinary sensors are much better for things that are way more useful in daily driving, such as auto wipers which are just awful. And then there is the severely sub-par headlights, like those that were available from other brands decades ago.

And of-course no Apple Carplay nor Android Auto ;)
 
To me the whole Tesla system is clunky but by far the biggest difference is texting, in the Tesla it's almost nonsensical, you don't know whether it's sending, how to back out of words/characters, etc. and is just cumbersome to use. Let's put it this way, if you have to google how to use it then it's not a good design.

CarPlay never had a single issue and is far more intuitive.
And you can reply to group messages, and use WhatsApp etc.
 
Sounds like there may be different issues with that phone or its internet connection.
tried it with other older models including android, same laggy interface. the inherent holdup is the outdated hardware.
If that was for a Rover, then I doubt it, they never came with updatable software
you should visit your dealership, i have paid software update with most of my previous ride, merc, bmw, even nissan.
It may not be cheap, but it is also not expensive. ;) Especially in the EV world, it is actually pretty cheap.
not at all, chevy bolt is cheap, nisan leave is cheap, hyundai kona is cheap. model y starting at 50k is definitely not in that bracket.
Range is not an issue on as good as all/any EV on the market, to use an old measurement for it Poronkusema is what they can all manage. Charging stations depends on heavily where in the world you are. It definitely used to be the case, and was the unique selling point. But whilst Tesla superchargers are now accessible to other cars, I've never actually had the need nor desire to use one. Here in Europe, there are so many other ultra-fast chargers available, besides about 90% of journeys for people start from home and return home. I get the anxiety by some, I had that as well at first, but it is no longer an issue.
range is definitely an issue even in today for any first time buyer. whether realistically or psychologically being the reason, when i bought my tesla the first thing i worried about was range even though 330 miles is more than adequate for any lengthy trip i gone on. here state side the only other charging point is companies like electrify america and smaller standalone chargers, and they do not offer the same convenience as tesla.

btw only a handful of supercharger station opened up to non tesla, majority of them don't have the necessary adaptor nor would they ever get it.
Sure, Tesla makes a lot of its technology, but not all of it is good. Lane Keeping / Advanced Cruise Control is nothing new and very mature on many other makes. FSD is again a regional thing. But let's be honest, they also make mistakes and use software where ordinary sensors are much better for things that are way more useful in daily driving, such as auto wipers which are just awful. And then there is the severely sub-par headlights, like those that were available from other brands decades ago.
its quite good, previously i was using merc's version, and it phantom break like crazy, i also tried mazda's implementation and it will for the life of the car detect merging lane or merging cars.

is tesla perfect? ofcourse not, i wish they didn't try to save a buck by taking away wiper sensors, or getting rid of USS. but in the grand scheme of things, i would choose my tesla over other brands hands down.
And of-course no Apple Carplay nor Android Auto
don't really miss it so don't really need it. tesla's infotainment is pretty good from my experience. there are other aspects tesla deserves critique, but their infotainment system is definitely not one of them.
 
To me the whole Tesla system is clunky but by far the biggest difference is texting, in the Tesla it's almost nonsensical, you don't know whether it's sending, how to back out of words/characters, etc. and is just cumbersome to use. Let's put it this way, if you have to google how to use it then it's not a good design.

CarPlay never had a single issue and is far more intuitive.
I don't text while I drive, so I have no experience with either the Tesla, or CarPlay texting. Texting while driving is banned in 48 states.
 
Wait, what? You don't think Tesla is motivated to improve things? So you've not enjoyed any (ANY??) of the new features added to your vehicle since purchase via OTA? Tesla is always improving, always. As for motivation to improve, are OEM's that don't have OTA's motivated to improve? I don't disagree that praising everything is not the best course of action, but the thinking that Tesla is not motivated to improve is what I don't agree with.
Some things yes, others not so much.

Just look up FSD in the UK or supply of Model S/X for those who’ve been waiting 2+ years.
i'm 100% sure there are plenty of complaints about the car and the software that Tesla is working on. routing however isn't a problem among many owners.
Agree on routing. It’s not perfect, but it’s fine. I was referring to the infotainment system in general.
 
Agree on routing. It’s not perfect, but it’s fine. I was referring to the infotainment system in general.
My Model 3, is the 18th new car I have owned, and I think the infotainment system is by far the best of my pervious cars. These have included 3 different BMW's, a few VW, a few Toyota's some GM products and others.
 
My Model 3, is the 18th new car I have owned, and I think the infotainment system is by far the best of my pervious cars. These have included 3 different BMW's, a few VW, a few Toyota's some GM products and others.
I’m glad it is for you. My last four cars (with CarPlay) had better infotainment functionality, although they didn’t look as slick. I miss Audible, PlexAmp, Prologue, Apple Maps, Waze and Messages.

Worst infotainment was my TVR. But with a soundtrack like that I simply didn’t care.
 
Some things yes, others not so much.

Just look up FSD in the UK or supply of Model S/X for those who’ve been waiting 2+ years.

Agree on routing. It’s not perfect, but it’s fine. I was referring to the infotainment system in general.
bringing uk is not a fair example, the right hand drive market is unfortunately too niche for tesla currently focus on.
 
bringing uk is not a fair example, the right hand drive market is unfortunately too niche for tesla currently focus on.
Well it’s a pretty fair example when it’s where one lives and is about 35% of the world.

There’s a lot of Y/3 focus here and huge sales to match, just not S/X.
 
Well it’s a pretty fair example when it’s where one lives and is about 35% of the world.

There’s a lot of Y/3 focus here and huge sales to match, just not S/X.
right but how many ppl within that 35% can afford tesla, by your percentage quote i'm guessing you are including india which makes up 1.4 billion no?
 
I don't text while I drive, so I have no experience with either the Tesla, or CarPlay texting. Texting while driving is banned in 48 states.
Using your voice is no different than talking to someone sitting next to you, Apple CarPlay offers that ability. So does Tesla but it it’s far clunkier, not sure how you can claim it’s just as good if you’ve never used the feature though.
 
It’s terrible, buggy and slow.
Not to mention hard to use, if you want to talk about unsafe driving try figuring out how to change a setting in your navigation, blinkers, controls, etc through a clunky touchscreen menu system. Even try it while being parked as you scratch your head and punch through a bunch of submenus to figure out what is what.

The car itself is actually pretty great and has been a great first EV for me otherwise, but coming from a BMW that had tactile controls and a straightforward user friendly control system to navigate the learning curve it pretty big. In the end I've just sacrificed using some of it.
 
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Not to mention hard to use, if you want to talk about unsafe driving try figuring out how to change a setting in your navigation, blinkers, controls, etc through a clunky touchscreen menu system. Even try it while being parked as you scratch your head and punch through a bunch of submenus to figure out what is what.

The car itself is actually pretty great and has been a great first EV for me otherwise, but coming from a BMW that had tactile controls and a straightforward user friendly control system to navigate the learning curve it pretty big. In the end I've just sacrificed using some of it.
Why not get rid of it and get the i4?
 
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Not to mention hard to use, if you want to talk about unsafe driving try figuring out how to change a setting in your navigation, blinkers, controls, etc through a clunky touchscreen menu system. Even try it while being parked as you scratch your head and punch through a bunch of submenus to figure out what is what.

The car itself is actually pretty great and has been a great first EV for me otherwise, but coming from a BMW that had tactile controls and a straightforward user friendly control system to navigate the learning curve it pretty big. In the end I've just sacrificed using some of it.
Did your BMW have the joystick puck type control on the arm rest? I know a lot of people and reviewers thought that control was impossible to use.
 
iDrive? Isn't that the best non touchscreen control for an infotainment unit available?
I had it in my BMW Z4, and liked it, since your naturally rested on it control. But I know Consumer Reports claimed the system was too complex and confusing. It seems that things that work well some some people don't work at all for others. I'm one that always reads the owners manual cover to cover and gets acquainted with how things work. My could never figure out the BMW and she has yet to drive the Tesla.
 
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