Irregardless of this being real - it does point out one thing: If the iPhone goes nearly bezel-less, it'll start to looks a lot like other Android phones. I imagine there's benefit to it, but losing the home button and making the bezels smaller will be a pretty significant change to the iconic iPhone look.
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Potential 'iPhone 8' Render Shows Vertical Camera and Rear Touch ID, But Likely One of Several Designs
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Very unlikely to have touch id on the back.
I don't think it is Apple-esk. Also, where is the smart connector? This photo is obviosuly a prototype schematics.
Changed camera? Possibly. People take most shots in landscape mode, so it should give wider angle (or maybe be better for 3D/AR).
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We don't even know if it is going to be called like that.
I don't think it is Apple-esk. Also, where is the smart connector? This photo is obviosuly a prototype schematics.
Changed camera? Possibly. People take most shots in landscape mode, so it should give wider angle (or maybe be better for 3D/AR).
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It is not. calm down.
We don't even know if it is going to be called like that.
This is why I think they're moving the camera that way too. At first I was like why? but I went to take a picture and it kind of makes sense if your using your device horizontal
Unless it's a Pixel or OnePlus phone, I wouldn't be interested. There's too much bloatware and unremovable redundant apps in US carrier Samsung phones. OS updates are also usually far and few in between and support is also not that great if something goes wrong with the hardware.
While I find this drawing unlikely to be the final design (for many of the reasons already stated here) I don't really think it matters.
No matter what the final look and specs, Apple has such a loyal following they will sell as many as they can make, at least until the "new" wears off!
No matter what the final look and specs, Apple has such a loyal following they will sell as many as they can make, at least until the "new" wears off!
these comments are probably from those liking this supposed design. cause it sure wasn't me.
Apple has been putting important buttons, such as the Power/Sleep button, in inconvenient places for strictly aesthetic reasons for a while now…
… the difference being that the Home/TouchID button is something that has been consistent from the very inception of the iPhone/iOS platform, and is actually more important, UX-wise, than a power/sleep button, since it's used dozens of times daily (and no, I don't believe that whatever newfangled tech Apple is currently developing, like face/iris recognition, is already more reliable than TouchID).
Getting rid of it, putting it somewhere else than its rightful spot or splitting it into two separate components in completely different places shows absolutely no respect for users and usability, and will introduce glaring UX inconsistencies across devices; even if they do keep the virtual, Taptic Engine-powered home button on the front, unlocking the device will cease to be a one-step deal, and if its achieved by touching the back or raising to wake or whatever, while “magic”, it will not be coherent at all with the rest of their lineup. If they want to make unlocking a “magical” affair, they should at least get the tech right first and implement it only when they can do so on a majority of their lineup (and no, I still say I don't believe that tech is ready; I'd be willing to bet they are much closer to integrating TouchID into the screen itself, yields be damned).
Not even the Touch Bar/control strip is as incoherent with its physical F-row counterpart (heck, while on the subject of iOS devices, not even the abolishing of the swipe to unlock gesture was as disruptive, and it was implemented across the board), and this move, whatever its implications, reminds me an awful lot of this:
And we all know how that idea turned out, don't we? The difference also being that while you can fix software after release, the same can't be said for hardware. Is Apple headed towards another trashcan Mac Pro-caliber misstep?
… the difference being that the Home/TouchID button is something that has been consistent from the very inception of the iPhone/iOS platform, and is actually more important, UX-wise, than a power/sleep button, since it's used dozens of times daily (and no, I don't believe that whatever newfangled tech Apple is currently developing, like face/iris recognition, is already more reliable than TouchID).
Getting rid of it, putting it somewhere else than its rightful spot or splitting it into two separate components in completely different places shows absolutely no respect for users and usability, and will introduce glaring UX inconsistencies across devices; even if they do keep the virtual, Taptic Engine-powered home button on the front, unlocking the device will cease to be a one-step deal, and if its achieved by touching the back or raising to wake or whatever, while “magic”, it will not be coherent at all with the rest of their lineup. If they want to make unlocking a “magical” affair, they should at least get the tech right first and implement it only when they can do so on a majority of their lineup (and no, I still say I don't believe that tech is ready; I'd be willing to bet they are much closer to integrating TouchID into the screen itself, yields be damned).
Not even the Touch Bar/control strip is as incoherent with its physical F-row counterpart (heck, while on the subject of iOS devices, not even the abolishing of the swipe to unlock gesture was as disruptive, and it was implemented across the board), and this move, whatever its implications, reminds me an awful lot of this:
And we all know how that idea turned out, don't we? The difference also being that while you can fix software after release, the same can't be said for hardware. Is Apple headed towards another trashcan Mac Pro-caliber misstep?
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Samsung Galaxy S8 is bad design. I'm going by experience here having used an S7 Edge. Bad experience (accidental touches everywhere) but just looks great and the S8 will be no different. Like Steve Jobs once said design is more about how it "works" not just how it looks, the latter is exactly what the S8 goes by on and what it thinks (and many others think) is great design.
The Samsung S8 looks way better!
the phrase "Can't innovate anymore, my ass" sounds correct
I disagree and I have been using it.
Display quality is the best, no questions here but S8 (not even +) is very tall, unusable with one hand, and I have big preference for phones no larger than 5 inch (screen).
EDIT: I have no problem with iPhone 7 design, why do you think Apple is not innovating? We have not seen iPhone 8 yet and you complain already? Maybe majority loves iPhone 7 design and no need to change it. Innovations are not always in looks.
Why are you praising Samsung anyway? ALL they did is to make larger screen....you call that innovation? I bet Apple could have done that anytime, but is it REALLY useful to most customers...? That's the question...
I would NEVER buy ANY phone with the finger print reader smack bang in the middle of the back! It's THE MOST STUPID PLACE THERE IS TO PUT IT!!! Bar that and the still present camera hump, it looks alright.
hmm. Not going to make any judgment on the design since this could be one of a few protos. The vertical camera placement on the back would make sense since they are moving the front camera to the right of the ear piece. We are already seeing vertical placement on the ipad pro's.
The radius on the corners seems a lot larger than any current iPhone which will eliminate space inside the phone. Hard to tell what is going on with the home button. Could be there for testing purposes like the smart connectors on the iphone 7+ leaks last year.
The radius on the corners seems a lot larger than any current iPhone which will eliminate space inside the phone. Hard to tell what is going on with the home button. Could be there for testing purposes like the smart connectors on the iphone 7+ leaks last year.
reading thru some of those comments are priceless lol. But you hit what was my point exactly we don't know what the final design will look like it's fun to speculate but lets not roll out the pitchforks until September when this thing is launched. Or at least until more leaks come out.
Genuine question, I'm just interested - why? Is it just the curved edges of the S8? By and large, phones seem to be becoming fairly homogenous. If these schematics are real, there's really little difference between the design of the S8/G6/iPhone "8". Large 2:1 screen on the front, no side bezels, small top and bottom bezels, fingerprint sensor on the back. Not a great deal of variation possible with that.
[doublepost=1492103605][/doublepost]Looking at the dimensions ... I think that this may be more likely an iPhone 7S PLUS design; that's why it's comparing it to the 7 PLUS dimensions. It would help to explain the similar aluminium casing and a touch ID moved to the back to accommodate a more compact design.
A user on Weibo has shared an image of what appears to be a manufacturing-related design drawing of Apple's rumored 5.8-inch iPhone with an OLED display, which is tentatively named the iPhone 8 or iPhone X.
The drawing, which surfaced on /LEAKS earlier today, appears to be on a computer belonging to an Apple manufacturing partner such as Foxconn. It's unclear when the photo was taken, or if it's authentic, so treat this rumor with some caution until actual parts start to leak from the supply chain.
The drawing appears to be from the EVT, or Engineering Verification Testing, stage. In other words, this could be one of over ten iPhone prototypes that Apple has supposedly been testing this year, and the iPhone that ultimately enters mass production later this year might have an entirely different design.
The drawing shows an iPhone with a larger display that takes up nearly the entire front of the smartphone, as widely rumored. However, while many sources suggest the display will resemble the Galaxy S8 with only top and bottom bezels, the drawing shows very slim bezels along the left and right edges as well.
On the rear of the iPhone, the drawing shows a vertically aligned dual camera system, which has been rumored only once before by Japanese website Mac Otakara in December. Touch ID has also been relocated to the rear shell, in line with multiple reports claiming the iPhone 8 won't have a Home button on the front.
It has been more frequently rumored that Apple will integrate Touch ID underneath the iPhone 8's display glass, but Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri recently said that Apple is facing yield issues with an under-display solution. If it cannot resolve those issues, he said Touch ID on the rear is one possibility.
The drawing depicts an iPhone 8 measuring 149.5mm tall and 72.5mm wide, compared to the iPhone 7's 138.3mm length and 67.1mm width, so the iPhone 8 would be slightly larger than a 4.7-inch iPhone as expected. It's depth is 8.6mm, compared to the iPhone 7 at 7.1mm, possibly due to a rumored glass and stainless steel frame.
If accurate, the iPhone 8 would be approaching the thickness of an iPhone 4, which also had a glass and stainless steel design.
Using the Pythagorean theorem, we calculated that the iPhone 8 would have an overall footprint of about 6.5 inches on the diagonal, compared to around 6 inches for iPhone 7 and around 6.9 inches for iPhone 7 Plus. In other words, the iPhone 8 would be smaller than an iPhone 7 Plus, yet with an even bigger display.
The sides of the iPhone include the usual volume toggles, mute switch, lock button, SIM card tray, Lightning connector, speaker grille, and what is likely a second faux speaker grille. In line with the iPhone 7, there is no 3.5mm headphone jack, suggesting that the legacy port won't be making a surprise comeback.
Chinese social network Weibo has been the source of numerous part leaks and Apple-related rumors in the past, but as is usually the case with leaks this far from launch, the iPhone depicted in today's image could end up being much different from the one that debuts later this year.
As a point of emphasis, the iPhone drawing pictured above is largely inconsistent with rumors and expectations from Apple analysts that we've heard. A vertical-aligned camera and Touch ID on the back of the iPhone in particular are largely one-off rumors that have not been substantiated by multiple sources.
However, this design cannot be entirely ruled out. As mentioned, Apple prototypes several different iPhones at once, and it will ultimately proceed with a model that is best suited for manufacturing at scale. Over the coming weeks and months, we should begin to see a clearer picture of which design Apple went with.
Around this time three years ago, a similar design drawing and a few real-life photos of a device that ended up being the iPhone 6 surfaced from within Foxconn, so these types of leaks are sometimes credible.
Mitchel Broussard contributed to this report.
Article Link: Potential 'iPhone 8' Render Shows Vertical Camera and Rear Touch ID, But Likely One of Several Designs
The iPhone 8/X/EDITION would then still be the same as all the rumours.
That's what I'm hoping anyway!
Tbh that's where I see smartphones going in general. People make it seem like it's so easy to just innovate whenever, smartphones are at a plateau. We need advancements in battery life.
It's the whole design, bezel less no home button (although I don't like the fingerprint reader on the back) The curved screen also looks great, the glass back looks nice. Over all I think Samsung have stepped up their game these last couple of years. I hope Apple put in the bezel less curved screen even if it's not as curved as the S8.
A user on Weibo has shared an image of what appears to be a manufacturing-related design drawing of Apple's rumored 5.8-inch iPhone with an OLED display, which is tentatively named the iPhone 8 or iPhone X.
The drawing, which surfaced on /LEAKS earlier today, appears to be on a computer belonging to an Apple manufacturing partner such as Foxconn. It's unclear when the photo was taken, or if it's authentic, so treat this rumor with some caution until actual parts start to leak from the supply chain.
The drawing appears to be from the EVT, or Engineering Verification Testing, stage. In other words, this could be one of over ten iPhone prototypes that Apple has supposedly been testing this year, and the iPhone that ultimately enters mass production later this year might have an entirely different design.
The drawing shows an iPhone with a larger display that takes up nearly the entire front of the smartphone, as widely rumored. However, while many sources suggest the display will resemble the Galaxy S8 with only top and bottom bezels, the drawing shows very slim bezels along the left and right edges as well.
On the rear of the iPhone, the drawing shows a vertically aligned dual camera system, which has been rumored only once before by Japanese website Mac Otakara in December. Touch ID has also been relocated to the rear shell, in line with multiple reports claiming the iPhone 8 won't have a Home button on the front.
It has been more frequently rumored that Apple will integrate Touch ID underneath the iPhone 8's display glass, but Cowen and Company analyst Timothy Arcuri recently said that Apple is facing yield issues with an under-display solution. If it cannot resolve those issues, he said Touch ID on the rear is one possibility.
The drawing depicts an iPhone 8 measuring 149.5mm tall and 72.5mm wide, compared to the iPhone 7's 138.3mm length and 67.1mm width, so the iPhone 8 would be slightly larger than a 4.7-inch iPhone as expected. It's depth is 8.6mm, compared to the iPhone 7 at 7.1mm, possibly due to a rumored glass and stainless steel frame.
If accurate, the iPhone 8 would be approaching the thickness of an iPhone 4, which also had a glass and stainless steel design.
Using the Pythagorean theorem, we calculated that the iPhone 8 would have an overall footprint of about 6.5 inches on the diagonal, compared to around 6 inches for iPhone 7 and around 6.9 inches for iPhone 7 Plus. In other words, the iPhone 8 would be smaller than an iPhone 7 Plus, yet with an even bigger display.
The sides of the iPhone include the usual volume toggles, mute switch, lock button, SIM card tray, Lightning connector, speaker grille, and what is likely a second faux speaker grille. In line with the iPhone 7, there is no 3.5mm headphone jack, suggesting that the legacy port won't be making a surprise comeback.
Chinese social network Weibo has been the source of numerous part leaks and Apple-related rumors in the past, but as is usually the case with leaks this far from launch, the iPhone depicted in today's image could end up being much different from the one that debuts later this year.
As a point of emphasis, the iPhone drawing pictured above is largely inconsistent with rumors and expectations from Apple analysts that we've heard. A vertical-aligned camera and Touch ID on the back of the iPhone in particular are largely one-off rumors that have not been substantiated by multiple sources.
However, this design cannot be entirely ruled out. As mentioned, Apple prototypes several different iPhones at once, and it will ultimately proceed with a model that is best suited for manufacturing at scale. Over the coming weeks and months, we should begin to see a clearer picture of which design Apple went with.
Around this time three years ago, a similar design drawing and a few real-life photos of a device that ended up being the iPhone 6 surfaced from within Foxconn, so these types of leaks are sometimes credible.
Mitchel Broussard contributed to this report.
Article Link: Potential 'iPhone 8' Render Shows Vertical Camera and Rear Touch ID, But Likely One of Several Designs
I wonder if Apple would integrate the touch I'd sensor into the Logo on the rear of the phone.....
FWIW, I've had a good experience with all 6 of my Sammies reliability-wise (I have a Note 3 still in heavy use by one of my teenagers), although nothing beats the simplicity of the Apple Store if there's a problem.
Also, updates have been pretty regular, although full OS version updates are not required in many cases given the devices' feature-set and the way that Android and Google Play updates work (quite differently from iOS).
As far as bloatware is concerned, yes it exists, but it is both relatively minor and non-impacting, given that you can typically both expand storage in Sammy devices (unlike iPhone) and hide unused apps in the App Tray.
UI customization options are pretty robust in these devices, unlike the rigid WYSIWYG iPhone approach, so you can hide things, space them out, change icons, etc. I can live with bloatware if I don't have to see it...
My 2 cents...
If Apple released a phone without smaller top and bottom bezels they would be killed in the media and people would be talking about how some no name Chinese brand can release a phone with smaller bezels but Apple can't. I can already see the posts here that Tim needs to be fired and Apple is doomed and I'm getting a Samsung.
For me personally if they move Touch ID to the back of the phone I'll keep my iPhone 7 and hope it was only temporary placement.
If that's what Apple are happy to release, they should have released it last year as the iPhone 7.
I thought they had made no attempt to reduce the bezels with iPhone 7 because they were working on leapfrogging the competition with a completely bezel free design that wasn't ready for 2016.
The phone in these renders is not the 'bezel free' phone with 'camera, speaker, Touch ID and other sensors under the display' which Gruber leaked on the Talk Show.
What the **** has happened?
I thought they had made no attempt to reduce the bezels with iPhone 7 because they were working on leapfrogging the competition with a completely bezel free design that wasn't ready for 2016.
The phone in these renders is not the 'bezel free' phone with 'camera, speaker, Touch ID and other sensors under the display' which Gruber leaked on the Talk Show.
What the **** has happened?
Don't get me wrong I don't want to be saying it after all I'm an Apple fan but I have to be honest as well.