Powerbook and PowerMac Updates - October 19th?

[lcde]

I believe he was more specific than that in his keynote saying that Pro lines would transition last. I could be wrong, but need to go back and rewatch the keynote.

I'm no steve jobs. But i would think the pro line would be wintel last. mainly developer time and to get any kinks out.

 

[eric_n_dfw]

Off Topic Java discussion moved

re: The Java sub-discussion

We've really taken this discussion way off topic. Continuing it elsewhere: https://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?p=1817917

 

[iHatewaiting]

Pan across a Computer Room The Room is a pigsty, papers piled up caving in toward a worn computer chair. We notice dangling wires and a missing G5 computer....

Enter the bedroom. Camera zooms in closely cropped on the main character, me. I happen to be in bed.

Me (Smoking a cigarette): "Damn I havent felt a rush like that in years, if ever"

I attempt to blow out G shapes while exhaling slowly, but only manage a loose fog.

Me: "You sound great. Yeah, i know a lot of users might say something like that, but I mean it, really."

A whirring and slight tinny ding can be heard from off-screen.

Me: "What? Are you accusing me of visiting those rumor sites. No way baby. No way." (Long, uncomfortable drag on a quickly dwindling cigarette)

More whirring.

Me: "I only wanted to confirm... I mean I could hardly believe... Your hot dual, dual core, PCI Express, and DDR2. ....I’ll never, ever leave you"

Pans out. A brand spanking new Apple G5 is sprawled in the center of the bed. You pick the compromising pose. (You sick people.)

Stay Tuned for my next short play "Trouble for Dualie, enter Intel (That hussy)

Funny as fook!!!! Nice 😉

 

[4God]

Well, as of right now (8:53AM PDT) the 15" & 17" Powerbooks as well as the PowerMacs have a 3-5 day ship time. An indication of things to come? 😕 I've missed a few pages in this thread, sorry if this was posted already.

Well, I originally posted this earlier in this thread (about 4 hours ago). New Powerbooks and PowerMacs for sure. 😀

 

[broncoball]

the 12 inch is still at 24 hours thought. this sucks iv been waiting for a while to get an updated 12 inch and now they wont even get updated 😡

 

[Butts M Biggilo]

Think they will redesign the PMac

Even though it is end of the line for the G5 it be nice to go out with a redesigned case.

One can hope.

But then a dual dual cheesegrater might not be so bad.
Butts

 

[4God]

the 12 inch is still at 24 hours thought. this sucks iv been waiting for a while to get an updated 12 inch and now they wont even get updated 😡

Maybe a price drop?

 

[Hattig]

The reasons they give as to why Java should be faster can apply to C/C++ as well. For example, in the GC section, they say GC can allocate memory in the same space as recently allocated memory, thus improving cache hits. Can't malloc do the same?

See this article:

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-jtp09275.html?ca=dgr-lnxw01JavaUrbanLegends

I work with Java daily, and I'm very disappointed in the performance of Apple's implementation. Never mind that they haven't even got their 1.5 implementation completed...

 

[Peace]

Maybe a price drop?

I'm guessing here so..
Because Apple is in the middle of a transition to Intel I'm gonna say they will devote less to the whole across the board line..

iBook 15" only..the 12" is EOL.

Powerbook 15" and 17" HD only..the 12" is EOL

Powermac is where all the configs change over to dual-dual..

 

[MacsRgr8]

It's not the question IF Apple are going to introduce the Dual Core G5, but WHICH Power Macs will get them...
I really hope it will be Dual Dual across the board.

A speed bumped G5 and/or PowerBook would have been done (very) quietly.

Now the press will be informed, it must be a good update.. i.e. Dual Cores.
Dual Core Freescales too??? Nah....

 

[igetbanned]

Trick or Treat

Here's a link

http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sea...howAllCategories=false&pageSize=10&pageNum=1&

showing orderable parts containing 7448 in the part number

40 in total.

Most have a 'PRODUCT NEWLY INTRO'D/RAMP-UP(1)' Life Cycle Description.

Which they say means:

'Beginning to ramp up production. Can supply limited quantities. Orders and shipments permitted.'

Clicking on the 'Package Description' for each part will open a pdf of the schematic (at least the ones I looked at, didn't look at all 40, firefox is slow to open and close adobe for some reason).

Some of those schematics are for chips.

FYI, you can buy your own test board for about $2,500.

Flame on! 🙂

Need to add, a search for 8641D, 'no dice'.

Even 8641 gives nothing but pdfs.

 

[digitalbiker]

I'm guessing here so..
Because Apple is in the middle of a transition to Intel I'm gonna say they will devote less to the whole across the board line..

iBook 15" only..the 12" is EOL.

Powerbook 15" and 17" HD only..the 12" is EOL

Powermac is where all the configs change over to dual-dual..

I doubt it. It just doesn't sound like Apple. Look what they did for the iMac and it should transition to Intel about the same time as the PB. Besides the PB really hasn't gotten a substantial update in 2 years. Last update was very minor 9 months ago.

Apple knows the PB has to hold up sales for another 9 -12 months until it goes Intel Merom. Therefore they will do all they can with what is currently available ie DDR2, HD, Hi-res display, PCI-E. The big ? is the processor. What is really available?
Is it IBM's low power G5? Probably not.
Is it Freescale 7448 G4? Most likely.
Is it Freescale Dual Core G4? Don't know if there are enough chips yet.

Here's my guess on the Intel transition.
ibook, mac mini, late spring 2006, Intel Dothan.
iMac, PB, late 2006, Intel Merom.
PowerMac, spring 2007, Intel Conroe,Woodcrest, ?

 

[Mr Maui]

Check the comments on that MacConnection link... someone suggested it must be iTunes 7 on the way 😛 😀

My guess: VINGLE!

Skip iTunes 7 and go straight to iTunesX to get in line with the system. 😀

I'm no steve jobs. But i would think the pro line would be wintel last. mainly developer time and to get any kinks out.

My thoughts exactly. (probably Steve's too) 😉

 

[stutz]

I've got another sign the PowerBooks are getting an update. Apple's hot deals now include a 1.67 G4 15" PowerBook at a $400 discount. Sure it's a refurb, but that's more than what I'm used to seeing. They're even trying to dump their high-end refurbs.

Stutz

http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?productLearnMore=F9677LL/A

 

[~Shard~]

Just bought one a scant 6 months ago

In the world of leading edge technology there is no such thing as a "scant 6 months" - that's an eternity. 😛 😉 😎

 

[RobHague]

I think you've got PCI-X and PCI-E mixed up. PCI-E is PCI-Express... 🙂

I'm not sure what you mean there 😕? Where did i mix up PCI-X and PCI-E? I was stating that the pro systems use PCI-X now, since these are aimed at pro's im going to assume PCI-X has some uses so what about pro's with current PCI-X hardware? Is that backwards compatible with PCI-E?

and apple already HAS pci-x, pci-x is just a faster PCI bus used in servers. for quite some time now.
and PCI-E is just one or two ports. it doesn't mean the whole system has to be redesigned! 🙂 there will still be regular PCI 😀 hell powermacs hardly have PCI slots anyway 😛

Hmm yes i know PCI-X is already on the PowerMac 😕 😕. You saying that Apple would mix PCI and PCI-Express on a board? 😵 I think the architecture will have to be redesigned in order to make any use of PCI-express. Im concerned that we will get a PowerMac with 4 PCI-E slots (one for the graphics) and no PCI-E hardware out there to make it useful.

and DDR running at 533mhz or 266mhz if you want, won't have CAS2.5 it'll be more like CAS3. And at memory modules at 2gb I don't think there is much of a difference. I've never really tried this... But I got to test an Intel with DDR2 and it has some advantages. I'm sure it's faster when the mac goes dual dualcore. and it'll also get Apple one step closer to MacTel. Intel will strictly be using DDR2. Where as AMD is still stuck with DDR. 🙂

I believe AMD are moving to DDR2, they just have not jumped on the bandwaggon yet since it made no odd's to performance. The biggest advantage to DDR2 was higher FSB and lower power requirements. I'm just not sure how this would benifit current PM's... i guess Dual Core's could put that extra bandwidth to good use but still.

but I agree with you a little, it's just a sales gimmick. But for technology to develop, one must use the new technology avaliable. or we'll be using DDR until march 2030.

Well if DDR was just as fast, then thats fine with me. Technology has to develop indeed, but it has to provide some sort of advantage over the previous offering.

 

[pubwvj]

Apple won't drop the price when they are upgrading

It has happened before.

Intel Inside!?!? As long as OSX keeps running, who cares?

I care. Because it takes more than just OSX to do the job. We also need applciations. Intel inside dumps Classic which means a lot of legacy applications won't work. Those legacy applications are critical to a lot of individuals and businesses for accessing legacy data. The OS is not good enough. We need legacy support.

 

[nagromme]

is it wrong to assume that if they are holding an event for the updates...that they should be event worthy updates?

meaning...both of them...

meaning... something substantial for the PB... 😱 😕 🙄

I'd say probably so--IF both of them ARE at the event. The PB's update could still be a quiet one outside the event.

Which could explain the Wednesday date: Tuesday could see minor PB upgrades, and then the whining "apple why u not make 3ghz g4 u suk" from that would be pushed aside on Wednesday by new PowerMacs. (And maybe software or other pro stuff. A BT Mighty Mouse wouldn't kill me...)

I'd love to see the PPC PowerBook go out with a really nice final update, but I lean toward pessimism on that.

I believe he was more specific than that in his keynote saying that Pro lines would transition last. I could be wrong, but need to go back and rewatch the keynote.

Even if the pro models WERE last, that doesn't mean 2007 necessarily. He said the transition should be finished in 2007, but that doesn't make sooner impossible.

And I really don't see the pro laptops transitioning late. They need Intel chips more than most models.

... Intel inside dumps Classic which means a lot of legacy applications won't work. Those legacy applications are critical to a lot of individuals and businesses for accessing legacy data. The OS is not good enough. We need legacy support.

Your best bet is to buy a PowerPC Mac, then, which will be available through next year if not beyond.

It's not the question IF Apple are going to introduce the Dual Core G5, but WHICH Power Macs will get them...
I really hope it will be Dual Dual across the board.

Or, add a new lowest-end PowerMac. SINGLE G5 even, and combo drive--but at an appropriately reduced price, and BTO the graphics board of your choice. Finally a mid-range headless for gamers?

 

[RatVega]

Why do you guys want a Dual-Core PowerMac SO BADLY?? You think that Dual 2.7GHz isn't fast enough? I have a 2.7 G5 and it is SO FREAKING FAST that I am starting to think that Mac OS X isn't fully optimized to handle it's 100% speed! Sure, Quicktime uses the processors at 100% when exporting, but some things just don't change in terms of speed when I use my G5 and my PowerBook (meaning it's Mac OS X's fault). I could never ask for any more speed than this. It does EVERYTHING, and only gets better as you add more and more RAM (I'll have 4.5GB by next week 😛).

Hmmm... I could offer to race you with my dual 2.5/5GB/1TB internal RAID G5 doing an hour or so of MPEG-2 transcoding or rendering 4-6 layers of composited HD in an unsupported format, but both our systems are too slow to have any real winner. I love my G5, but I'd love it more if it it were 50-100% faster. I do things like the tasks above about 12 hours a day.

If your Mac is fast enough, good on you - mine is only as fast as Apple made last fall.

 

[themedium]

unlike most of you here, i am not looking forward to the upcoming release of the new powermacs. I, being the poor 20 year old that i am, just recently had enough cash to get a dual 2.3 G5, then, not even a few weeks after buying it, i hear of these new dual-core powermacs that are soon to be released. this almost makes me sick to my stomach. i spend $2500, and already there are going to be better macs out there. i asked, searched, etc. and found no evidence of any substantial upgrades until the big intel move, and was dead wrong. even the mac "specialist" told me that there wasn't going to be any big changes in the powermac until then. same thing with the ipod, just bought a 20GB photo, and now the new ipods are out and i've just taken my now retro ipod out of the box. well, that's it, i'm done complaining.

 

[ksz]

...I hate the current powerbooks for so many reasons, but if I want to use the software, I have to buy the craptacular hardware.

From the sounds of the rumors, next update will also be crap in terms of speed... but maybe they'll make it come in black! Then all will be forgiven!

The PB update next week may or may not be entirely crap. Yesterday we did not know that Apple would be scheduling another media event just to highlight their Pro innovations. Today we know they will. If the new Pro machines were just incremental little updates, Apple would announce them on their website and through quiet press releases. However, a new media event just one week after the iMac/iPod/iTunes 3-Act show? Could be some good stuff brewing...

Finally, I don't understand the big deal with black! I have a nano in black and it is certainly quite nice, but would I forgive Apple for crippling the hardware specs of the new PB if they just painted it black? NO WAY.

 

[0423379]

I'm not sure what you mean there 😕? Where did i mix up PCI-X and PCI-E? I was stating that the pro systems use PCI-X now, since these are aimed at pro's im going to assume PCI-X has some uses so what about pro's with current PCI-X hardware? Is that backwards compatible with PCI-E?



Hmm yes i know PCI-X is already on the PowerMac 😕 😕. You saying that Apple would mix PCI and PCI-Express on a board? 😵 I think the architecture will have to be redesigned in order to make any use of PCI-express. Im concerned that we will get a PowerMac with 4 PCI-E slots (one for the graphics) and no PCI-E hardware out there to make it useful.



I believe AMD are moving to DDR2, they just have not jumped on the bandwaggon yet since it made no odd's to performance. The biggest advantage to DDR2 was higher FSB and lower power requirements. I'm just not sure how this would benifit current PM's... i guess Dual Core's could put that extra bandwidth to good use but still.



Well if DDR was just as fast, then thats fine with me. Technology has to develop indeed, but it has to provide some sort of advantage over the previous offering.

BROTHER!! you NEED to read up!!! PCI-EXPRESS aka PCI-E is just a frickn GRAPHICS bus running at what... 100mhz and the AGP 66mhz....
I don't get it... what is it that you don't understand???
PCI-X is just a faster PCI port, PCI-EXPRESS isment for graphics cards...!!!!

and the dual dualcore would put out ALOT of info, so don't worry!! DDR2 will save ur ass!!! AMD hasn't gone DDR2 'cus there is some REALLY expensive DDR memory that'll do 600mhz at cas2.5... but it's not worthy a massproduction. and the overclockers and die hard people stick to AMD. AMD only has about a 12% market share anyway....

besides... PCI-X and PCI-E has NOTHING to do with eachother or backward compability... NO PCI-E has nothing to go back to, PCI-X doesn't handle PCI. But I'm sure G5's will have PCI slots...

 

[ksz]

BROTHER!! you NEED to read up!!! PCI-EXPRESS aka PCI-E is just a frickn GRAPHICS bus running at what... 100mhz and the AGP 66mhz....
I don't get it... what is it that you don't understand???
PCI-X is just a faster PCI port, PCI-EXPRESS isment for graphics cards...!!!!

Relax. It's okay. Really it is.

 

[RobHague]

PCI-Express is not just for freaking graphics 😕..... there is PCI-e 16x,8x, 4x and 1x. You can get ethernet cards in PCI-e form...

I think if Apple decided to add PCI-E just for graphics and then standard PCI it would be a pointless menouver. The biggest reason for PCI-E graphics cards in my mind is so you could use dual graphics cards. SLI - Now that would be an 'upgrade'.

What im saying is that i don't see Apple doing holding onto PCI. If they go PCI-e i think they will go all the way..... just my opinion though.


Be funny if 19th October arrives and Apple unvail the new iPod Pro lol.

 

[tekmoe]

unlike most of you here, i am not looking forward to the upcoming release of the new powermacs. I, being the poor 20 year old that i am, just recently had enough cash to get a dual 2.3 G5, then, not even a few weeks after buying it, i hear of these new dual-core powermacs that are soon to be released. this almost makes me sick to my stomach. i spend $2500, and already there are going to be better macs out there. i asked, searched, etc. and found no evidence of any substantial upgrades until the big intel move, and was dead wrong. even the mac "specialist" told me that there wasn't going to be any big changes in the powermac until then. same thing with the ipod, just bought a 20GB photo, and now the new ipods are out and i've just taken my now retro ipod out of the box. well, that's it, i'm done complaining.

you win some and you lose some.