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~Shard~ said:
I agree, this will be interesting to see. What's nice in the PC world, is if a new processor comes out, I can go out, buy it that day, and pop it in my machine. Same with a new hard drive, a new video card, etc. But with Apple's Intel architecture, will I still be able to do that, or will we still see a long time between upgrades? Will we be able to update the hardware in this manner instead of being at Apple's mercy, and instead be forced to buy a brand new system to take advantage of new technology?


I agree with you here. It seems like Apple could be shooting themselves in the foot by making their customers so frustrated by the lack of updates that they will switch to a PC platform where things are cheaper and updated regularly. I'm beginning to second guess my decision to want to buy a PB. Why should I invest money in a company that doesn't keep up with current trends?

I would hope with the switch to Intel that they will be updating more regularly, otherwise it would look really bad for Apple to not come out with new upgrades on a regular basis when their competitors are using the same processor manufacturer.
 
~Shard~ said:
Oh, I completely agree with you. I'm just saying, rightly or wrongly, I don't see it coming until MWSF. Before Xmas would be ideal though. The whole point of not releasing it right off the bat is one of Marketing, but along those lines, shouldn't good Marketing dictate a pre-Xmas release then, to capitalize on sales?

I'm with you, but as I said, I don't see Apple doing it until afterwards. In a way, it makes you question the whole timing of MWSF itself - why not do it and release a ton of goodies before Xmas in the first place? :cool:


It's a simply sales gimick. Sales WILL increase during the xmas season.. that's a no brainer.. then you release new products a couple weeks later and ppl are like.. "holy crap.. i gota get that, so they spend more money" so theoretically, apple gets double sales on some products. very smart, but pisses off ppl like me who want to just buy it and not have to worry about a brand new thing the next week.
 
bigrustyjc said:
I would hope with the switch to Intel that they will be updating more regularly, otherwise it would look really bad for Apple to not come out with new upgrades on a regular basis when their competitors are using the same processor manufacturer.

Exactly. You could buy an Intel Mac and an Intel PC at the same time, with the exact same components (for argument's sake), but with the PC, you could pop in new, updated components (assuming the mobo supoprts it) as you please - could you with the Mac? Something makes me think no, and that you'd have to wait for the next update from Apple - meanwhile, the PC users are happily computing away with the latest and greatest technology. I wonder how exactly Apple plans to approach this...
 
~Shard~ said:
The PowerBooks will be out when they are out. Plain and simple. Jobs doesn't have new PowerBooks. Not even complaining will make them magically get produced faster, so what's the point?


is it THAT hard to make a 768 MB , 80 GB , 1.67 12 inch powerbook with backlit keyboard ? He had more than 250 days to design it!

Apple is not a computer manafacturer, it's a non-scratch free Ipod manufacterer....... :mad:
 
bigrustyjc said:
I agree with you here. It seems like Apple could be shooting themselves in the foot by making their customers so frustrated by the lack of updates that they will switch to a PC platform where things are cheaper and updated regularly. I'm beginning to second guess my decision to want to buy a PB. Why should I invest money in a company that doesn't keep up with current trends?

I would hope with the switch to Intel that they will be updating more regularly, otherwise it would look really bad for Apple to not come out with new upgrades on a regular basis when their competitors are using the same processor manufacturer.

That is the biggest advantage with moving to Intel. We will see big improvements in speed every 3 or 4 months!
 
~Shard~ said:
Exactly. You could buy an Intel Mac and an Intel PC at the same time, with the exact same components (for argument's sake), but with the PC, you could pop in new, updated components (assuming the mobo supoprts it) as you please - could you with the Mac? Something makes me think no, and that you'd have to wait for the next update from Apple - meanwhile, the PC users are happily computing away with the latest and greatest technology.

I wonder how exactly Apple plans to approach this...

I'm sure steve will approach it like..."OMG Why didn't someone bring this up during the meeting?!!1?!?? Idiots! Do i have to think of everything myself?? WHAT DO I LOOK LIKE? THE CEO??"...

Kill's another 'pro' of the Mac dont you think?.

If the hardware starts dating quicker, wont that make people less likley to put in as big an initial investment. Infact would I be happy with other computer users using the greatest and latest technology - but I have to pay a premium for it because its wearing an Apple logo? Come to think of it... would i have spent almost £3000 on a PC knowing how much value it decreases in instantley - I felt safer purchasing the Mac because the hardware is fast, and does not seem to suffer the same fate as PC's. Of course that will change soon i guess when they are using what everone else has, they will have no choice but to upgrade or look 'slow' because they cannot hide behind PPC and the CPU being 'different'. :confused:
 
RobHague said:
I'm sure steve will approach it like..."OMG Why didn't someone bring this up during the meeting?!!1?!?? Idiots! Do i have to think of everything myself?? WHAT DO I LOOK LIKE? THE CEO??"...

Kill's another 'pro' of the Mac dont you think?.

If the hardware starts dating quicker, wont that make people less likley to put in as big an initial investment. Infact would I be happy with other computer users using the greatest and latest technology - but I have to pay a premium for it because its wearing an Apple logo? Come to think of it... would i have spent almost £3000 on a PC knowing how much value it decreases in instantley - I felt safer purchasing the Mac because the hardware is fast, and does not seem to suffer the same fate as PC's. Of course that will change soon i guess when they are using what everone else has, they will have no choice but to upgrade or look 'slow' because they cannot hide behind PPC and the CPU being 'different'. :confused:

Another reason for people to hack OS X and bypass the "slow" Apple hardware update cycle, so that they can run OS X on their Intel-based PCs instead of their Intel-based Macs. :eek:
 
Mind you, it's possible, just possible, that Apple is figuring that obtaining a substantial portion of their profit margin from the iPod will enable them to essentially sell Alienware boxes. Apple-branded PCs, high-end high-quality PCs with a certain design cachet to them, but all standard parts nonetheless, and after a couple of transitional years not architecturally distinguishable from a typical PC in the sense that you can build your own, etc. Except that the OS will not be guaranteed to run except on Apple-branded PCs, so as to save the R & D folks working on the OS a lot of hardware-compatibility headaches. (You wanna swap out your mobo for the latest and greatest from Computer Shopper, it's up to you to get the OS to boot from it, don't whine to Apple).

Five years down the line, it saves Apple from having to defend an increasingly-indefensible position as sole proprietary hardware vendor, lucrative though it's been so far. if they surrender that (gradually) they transition to being one vendor among other PC vendors, one that (like Alienware) specializes in relatively expensive high-end no-compromises boxes, while also being an OS vendor (and their OS, yeah, only certified for Apple hw but can run on your Dell or Sony or Compaq, and is finally going head-to-head with Microsoft's Windows) and meanwhile is feeding its bottom line with lucrative sales of iPods and whatever media-player or environment it spreads/morphs into. (Video, I assume, among other things).
 
never an update on thursday or fridayv!

Since a very very long time Apple only has had updates on monday-tuesday and wednesday. NO CHANCE we'll see the update today or tomorrow.

Apple has been making updates on TUESDAYS mostly for the last years !

So we will have to wait and see. It won't happen this week :mad:
 
ahunter3 said:
Mind you, it's possible, just possible, that Apple is figuring that obtaining a substantial portion of their profit margin from the iPod will enable them to essentially sell Alienware boxes. Apple-branded PCs, high-end high-quality PCs with a certain design cachet to them, but all standard parts nonetheless, and after a couple of transitional years not architecturally distinguishable from a typical PC in the sense that you can build your own, etc. Except that the OS will not be guaranteed to run except on Apple-branded PCs, so as to save the R & D folks working on the OS a lot of hardware-compatibility headaches. (You wanna swap out your mobo for the latest and greatest from Computer Shopper, it's up to you to get the OS to boot from it, don't whine to Apple).

Five years down the line, it saves Apple from having to defend an increasingly-indefensible position as sole proprietary hardware vendor, lucrative though it's been so far. if they surrender that (gradually) they transition to being one vendor among other PC vendors, one that (like Alienware) specializes in relatively expensive high-end no-compromises boxes, while also being an OS vendor (and their OS, yeah, only certified for Apple hw but can run on your Dell or Sony or Compaq, and is finally going head-to-head with Microsoft's Windows) and meanwhile is feeding its bottom line with lucrative sales of iPods and whatever media-player or environment it spreads/morphs into. (Video, I assume, among other things).


First of all, just because Apple is moving to Intel chips does not mean that its housing has to change. You speak of Apple being somewhat like Alienware, making high-end Apple branded PCs - but unless the definition of PC is the case it sits in, Apple will be making Macs like they always have been - albiet the chip will be different. Same cool white/aluminum colors, same cool "think different" design, different engine under the hood.

Secondly, Apple will not transition into a software (or OS) vendor, nor will it transition into a media player company which also sells Operating Systems. I don't think the average consumer will notice anything different about Apple - they will still have "cool" computers in interestingly modern cases, still be sold in Apple stores (as opposed to being sold in every BestBuy, Circuit City and Frys across America), still carry a high price tag, still hold a vast minority of users - apart from the chip changing (and with it speeds, compatibility), Apple will not change. They may *may* sell their OS to other PC systems (notice I use the word PC to signify Windows machines, not Intel machines) but will still be a computing platform unto its own. I do not see the two melding into one. If that were to happen - Apple's entire image would cease to exist.
 
ok this thread has gotten rediculous. PEOPLE there is NOT goin to be an UPDATE at the expo. NOR will there be one NEXT WEEK, or the WEEK AFTER THAT. What's done is done. It's obvious and update is neede but people have to stop posting stupid obvious things like it better have this and it better have that. Along with comments predicting when its going to come out and apples strategies for the future of it and how the switch to intel can be affecting it. Come on people. Get over it stop talking about it. And if you REALLY need a Powerbook NOW (like myself), then GET IT NOW (like i'm going to do today)!
STOP WAITING! If your computer is 4 yeears old has a kernel error every time you boot it on the first try and you in college (this is me), yeah then don't wait get the dam Powerbook. If an update comes out and you REALLY wan't a newer one, SELL it on ebay or if it comes out with in 14 DAYS of your PURCHASE you can EXCHANGE it for THE NEWER MODEL. Dam that felt good.
 
F it

I was gonna make the switch... really I was (a nice new 12" PB)

BUT IF I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR FOR APPLE TO REALIZE THAT IT IS STUPID TO LEAVE THE 12" WITH A FIXED 256MB (FIXED RAM IS DUMB, PERIOD) ... THEN FORGET IT!!!

I'll remain a PC user where we have choices and can get what we want when we want it (hey that sounds like freedom --- which would make apple communist). That's right I'M BACK BABY, I was sucked in for a momment with the slick marketing and sexy OS but now I realized the error of my ways. I want to choose the components of my computer, this is america god-damit I want screens and screens of choices === STEVE JOBS not telling me what to put in my computer! F-That

I'M COMMING HOME........DELL XPS (or maybe Alienware, or FalconNW, or Micro, or Sony --- OH THE CHOICES!!!)

PEACE I'M OTTA HERE (you guys are great and I mean no disrespect) Maybe I'll come back to check out the Mac-Intels (with hopes that Apple decides to treat their customers like adults with upgradable machines and more compontent CHOICES!!!
 
joechimy said:
I want to choose the components of my computer, this is america god-damit I want screens and screens of choices === STEVE JOBS not telling me what to put in my computer! F-That
So instead you're going to let Bill Gates decide what your computer can do. What's the diff?

With the Mac, at least you don't have to spend all your time fighting viruses, spam, and spyware.

And anyway, while the PC world might theoretically offer a seemingly unlimited amount of hardware choices, seven out of ten Americans buy desktop computers from five companies (Apple being one of them)... for laptops, 85% buy from 9 companies.
http://www.macworld.com/news/2005/03/20/marketshare/
Woo hoo... choices!
 
joechimy said:
I was gonna make the switch... really I was (a nice new 12" PB)

BUT IF I HAVE TO WAIT A YEAR FOR APPLE TO REALIZE THAT IT IS STUPID TO LEAVE THE 12" WITH A FIXED 256MB (FIXED RAM IS DUMB, PERIOD) ... THEN FORGET IT!!!

I'll remain a PC user where we have choices and can get what we want when we want it (hey that sounds like freedom --- which would make apple communist). That's right I'M BACK BABY, I was sucked in for a momment with the slick marketing and sexy OS but now I realized the error of my ways. I want to choose the components of my computer, this is america god-damit I want screens and screens of choices === STEVE JOBS not telling me what to put in my computer! F-That

I'M COMMING HOME........DELL XPS (or maybe Alienware, or FalconNW, or Micro, or Sony --- OH THE CHOICES!!!)

PEACE I'M OTTA HERE (you guys are great and I mean no disrespect) Maybe I'll come back to check out the Mac-Intels (with hopes that Apple decides to treat their customers like adults with upgradable machines and more compontent CHOICES!!!

You know, I started thinking the same thing. The past three weeks I have been holding back on buying a PB and making the switch from PC to Mac, but now that there is no update (the most likely PB update didn't come at Paris) and that we have no idea when it's coming, I really don't feel like paying 2k+ bucks only to see the PBs updated a week or two later. Yeah you might argue this is how technology works, but with technology you at least have some idea about what is gonna be updated when. If I'm gonna make the switch, I wanna make it with the most powerful and best PPC PB (which will stay like that forever since Apple is switching to Intel next June) so it at least keeps some of its resale value.

Bah, who am I kidding?!?! I'm headed to the Apple store right now to get a PB, screw the update. I can't resist it!
 
Ege.Ersoz said:
Bah, who am I kidding?!?! I'm headed to the Apple store right now to get a PB, screw the update. I can't resist it!
I've worked with a lot of computers, and quite a lot of them have been laptops. I can honestly say that the aluminum PowerBooks are the best designed computers I have ever used, bar none. They may not have the fastest specs in the world, nor the absolute top of the line high-def screens, and so on. But they are an absolute joy to use, and incredibly lightweight and slim for the amount of power and features they pack (compare to a slighhtly-better-spec'd Wintel laptop that can be 11 or more pounds!).

There really is no wrong time to buy a modern PowerBook.
 
thymac said:
ok this thread has gotten rediculous. PEOPLE there is NOT goin to be an UPDATE at the expo. NOR will there be one NEXT WEEK, or the WEEK AFTER THAT. What's done is done. It's obvious and update is neede but people have to stop posting stupid obvious things like it better have this and it better have that. Along with comments predicting when its going to come out and apples strategies for the future of it and how the switch to intel can be affecting it. Come on people. Get over it stop talking about it. And if you REALLY need a Powerbook NOW (like myself), then GET IT NOW (like i'm going to do today)!
STOP WAITING! If your computer is 4 yeears old has a kernel error every time you boot it on the first try and you in college (this is me), yeah then don't wait get the dam Powerbook. If an update comes out and you REALLY wan't a newer one, SELL it on ebay or if it comes out with in 14 DAYS of your PURCHASE you can EXCHANGE it for THE NEWER MODEL. Dam that felt good.

Ummm, isn't this the forum for "MacRUMORS?" Maybe you should see if there's a forum for a website called "MacFACTS." ;)
 
Ege.Ersoz said:
Bah, who am I kidding?!?! I'm headed to the Apple store right now to get a PB, screw the update. I can't resist it!

I have been going through the decision process and waiting for the Paris Expo for PB updates for the past two months. I ordered a 15" PB after it was apparent that there were no new updates at the expo. I just grew sick of waiting and since all of the speculation was that the updates would be minor I just decided that if I could get I decent deal that I'd take the plunge and I found one. I should be getting it today and I'm glad that the waiting is finally (almost) over.
 
Not sure if anyone has seen this, but I just got this in my affiliate email from Apple...they lowered the prices of refurb PowerBooks

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Apple Store has reduced prices on the following refurbished product lines:

- Refurbished iMac G5 - Refurbished Mac mini - Refurbished PowerBook

In addition, we just recently reduced pricing on the Refurbished iBook and Refurbished iPod mini product lines. Post our new text link today.

Some of the great deals you will find include:

(1) the Refurbished 1.25GHz Mac mini with Combo drive (F9686LL/A) for only $399
(2) the Refurbished 1.67GHz 15" PowerBook G4 with SuperDrive (F9677LL/A) for only $1,899
 
oskar said:
Can we really expect a G5 PowerBook before going to Intel? If it were possible I would expect the the PowerBook to go Intel until late 2006 at least.

A G5 PowerBook is HIGHLY unlikely. You might have better luck wishing for a dual-core G4 PB, but that too is unlikely. The most likely thing we'll see is the 7448, better video, a dual-layer SuperDrive, maybe a faster hard drive.
 
Stridder44 said:
Anything without a G5 in it right now is dead to me (Note to change when the Intels come out). The G4 is a joke. And a bad one.

Calling the G4 a bad joke is excessive and a bit of a stretch. I used a 1.33GHz PB for a year and loved it. I ran Photoshop Elements, SPSS (stats software), iMovie, etc. etc. and didn't have a problem with it. Even Word opened up in under 5 seconds, Photoshop a little longer. The G4 isn't a G5, but it still works quite well.
 
KA2357 said:
A G5 PowerBook is HIGHLY unlikely. You might have better luck wishing for a dual-core G4 PB, but that too is unlikely. The most likely thing we'll see is the 7448, better video, a dual-layer SuperDrive, maybe a faster hard drive.

Yep - I think the biggest upgrade the PowerBook will see until it goes Intel is to one of those new Freescale chips, and that's about it. The lower power 970s that IBM announced a few months ago makes it a bit more feasible, but I still don't see a G5 ever appearing in a PowerBook regardless.
 
Read on MacOSRumors (yeah, don't laugh) that part of the 10.4.3 update involves writing supporting code for new PBG4 hardware, so perhaps the fortunes of the PB are rising and falling with the progress of the next Tiger update. Does that give us an excuse to agonize and bitch and moan until mid-October or so? As if we needed one anyway.
 
The longer they wait, the better this update hopefully should be. If it was just a small update (few Mhz more, more memory, etc), then it would have happened by now. I think you'll see 2Ghz machines with 100 GB+ HDD and 1GB RAM with better screens.

At least thats what i think... thats why i'm waiting. Otherwise, why wait for just a small little update? Doesnt make sense to me. Now if they do come out with an update in Oct and its really small, then i'll be angry.
 
Two questions:

I know it was covered already but I can't remember...why do so many of you think they could update in October? If the last time they did it was in Jan., and as far as the latter part of tradition goes, it could be updated again sometime just before or after that, why October? I want it to be October so (as a full-time grad student) I won't be too far into Fall term before finally getting a PB, but really - if not Paris Expo and if last update was in Jan., why Oct. in particular?

2nd question - Okay I just gotta ask. What's the BEST BEST BEST non-Apple laptop out there right now (that any of you know of), in terms of having a lot of this and that but also being under 6 lbs? If you're not allowed to anser, please PM me (do they have a PM section here? haven't checked!). I'm just very curious and obviously Apple doesn't care if they keep my business. I don't *intend* on giving up on Apple but I do want a top of the line computer (around $2100 student price or not much over - at the most) and want to be able to at least compare.

Thanks!
 
well i said to myself today screw the waiting and went to the apple store and bought a 15 inch Powerbook Combo drive. I have an iMac G4 (my first apple computer) but it's on the fritz giving me kernel errors every time i boot the computer up unitl it finnaly boots up correctly. I got my use out of it. It's had its hard drive replaced due to hard drive failure and now the logic board needs to be replaced. so i bought a powerbook because i need it, especially now that im in my first year of college.
 
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