PowerMac G5 2.0GHz Ship Delays?

Originally posted by windwaves
What do you mean "dignifying" ? Regardless, in some way I understand you do not disagree at least in principle with me.

When I read the original post, it seemed to me that you were taunting everyone who purchased a G5 PowerMac (in particular a 2x2Ghz). Perhaps the other poster read it the same way.

As for me, the only preorder I ever did was a G4/400 Yikes which I received on time while the other orders came in either a half a year late or knocked down 50 Mhz. At the time, I felt very bad for everyone who purchased a better machine than me. I learned that lesson quick and I guess these sort of debacles are part and parcel with Apple's secrecy.

Obviously, I didn't preorder a G5 and I told my friend to expect delays, especially on the top end. Not that this lessens the pain for her one bit.

Strange how a computer company can evoke such an emotional response. I do feel bad for many of the people on this board. It seems to me that the back-and-forth ship dates is a case of someone manually fighting with their own software with a poorly done, quick hack--something I've seen many times before in web development. We'll have to wait for Apple's explanation, though it will no doubt satisfy no one.
 
Originally posted by glowrider
Well, I'm sorry that I don't live in my mom's basement. I have other needs that require money: rent, school, groceries...Try living in the real world.

you mean that real world where someone thinks it is common sense to sell something they need in order to buy a replacement which may come in the mail tomorrow or may come in the mail in 3 months? it was a dumb decision.

and as for the eat my hat stuff, fine, i am applying large amounts of ketchup, but i am not really sure i should eat it just yet. "late this month" is not a concrete shipping date, and since it is the dual 2GHz we are talking about and everyone is complaing about, they still have not announced that they are shipping yet or a ship date.

sorry for coming offf as an ass in previous posts and possibly this one but really, it's annoying when people complain about a problem they caused themself by doing something idiotic and want financial restitution from some other company because THEY ****ed up and think someone owes them something.

and the capitalization was not for my benefit but for the people who don't seem to understand what ESTIMATE means.
 
Originally posted by GutBomb
come on people. apple gave you an ESTIMATED ship date. not a confirmed ship date. not a set in stone ship date. an ESTIMATED ship date.


Apple screwed up. Have you considered why the dates keep changing by 30 days at a time?

According to this from the FTC.

What is the Mail or Telephone Order Rule?

The Rule requires that when you advertise merchandise, you must have a reasonable basis for stating or implying that you can ship within a certain time. If you make no shipment statement, you must have a reasonable basis for believing that you can ship within 30 days. That is why direct marketers sometimes call this the "30-day Rule."

If, after taking the customer’s order, you learn that you cannot ship within the time you stated or within 30 days, you must seek the customer’s consent to the delayed shipment. If you cannot obtain the customer’s consent to the delay -- either because it is not a situation in which you are permitted to treat the customer’s silence as consent and the customer has not expressly consented to the delay, or because the customer has expressly refused to consent -- you must, without being asked, promptly refund all the money the customer paid you for the unshipped merchandise.

And please don't say.. Apple did not charge the card. Everybody had a pre-auth put through tying up the funds for at least short period of time.

Why is that people paying top dollar for good product continue to allow Apple treat them like puppies that will go along with anything they do.

The G5 Product Manager 2 days ago said they would ship on-time. He said this *** 2 *** days ago.

And you guys are not even annoyed. WOW.
 
I just called about my DP order (placed July 9th, through the ADC store). It's still showing as "September 2nd or earlier," however the person told me on the phone that that is just an "estimation," and that it could be the end of September. She did tell me that if they were going to delay my order significantly, that they would have called me. This hasn't happened yet.

I'd also like to mention one thing to everyone...Your order status could very well change over the weekend. I ordered a 30gb iPod last Saturday morning, and by the end of the day it had a "Shipped" status with a tracking number and everything.

Don't give up hope!
 
And please don't say.. Apple did not charge the card. Everybody had a pre-auth put through tying up the funds for at least short period of time.
For what it's worth, I called Amex last night to inquire about this. I placed my order about 7 weeks ago, and Apple never did put a hold on my card.
 
Re: free upgrade to 10.3 for G5

Originally posted by G5Church
No matter when you get your G5 and when the 10.3 Panther comes out I should hope that Apple would offer all G5 owners the free upgrade. They are giving us hardware with software that basically doesn't even run properly on it. It has to have the 10.3 Panther to run at it's fullest ability. So being happy that they are coming later and "maybe we'll get a free upgrade to 10.3" because it's later doesn't cut it for me.

Um, how is that? From what I know and read of the situation - what you get out of 10.2.7 IS the best you can get compared to any other Jag machine. Yes, Panther is much faster - but its faster on ALL PowerMacs. Not just G5s. So Panther will be more optimized, but in so far as how 10.2.7 compares - its as optimized for the G5 as is possible for 10.2. to be optimized on any machine.
 
10.2.7 vs 10.3

To my knowledge the 10.2.7 does not allow the software to take advantage of the 64 bit processing. We will have to wait till Panther for the computer to be able to talk with the software in a 64 bit manner and not the current 32 bit.

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure about this.
 
I don't have access to my email... has anyone received the email from apple regading a Dual 2.0 delay please post...
 
Weird

My status has been flopping back and forth all day...last night it was at 8/29 until about 9 PST. Then it changed to 9/29. This morning it was still at 9/29....since then however, it has flipped at least 6 times through out the day from 9/26 to 9/29...currently it says 9/29. Something very strange is going on.
 
And please don't say.. Apple did not charge the card. Everybody had a pre-auth put through tying up the funds for at least short period of time.

And you guys are not even annoyed. WOW. [/B]


Oh boy, I AM annoyed. I'm an education order and I got bumped to "on or before 06/29/03" - not even the 26th!!

But no matter what YOU say, it's the FTC's rule, not yours. And their rule only covers money you give them. There is no way it could apply to "I've set this money aside..." Well, you should have put it in an interest-bearing savings account. You could have made what, 80 cents by now? How could you not call that a good deal? :D
 
Re: 10.2.7 vs 10.3

Originally posted by G5Church
To my knowledge the 10.2.7 does not allow the software to take advantage of the 64 bit processing. We will have to wait till Panther for the computer to be able to talk with the software in a 64 bit manner and not the current 32 bit.

I might be wrong but I'm pretty sure about this.

Sorry, that is wrong. Panther is 32-bit as well. And frankly, making software 64-bit that doesn't need it would actually SLOW things down and take up more memory for no good reason.

In fact, the parts of the OS that need to be 64-bit in Panther are ALREADY 64-bit in 10.2.7.

See, 64-bit ness only speeds up apps that use a lot of 64-bit integers. Anyhow, there are LOTS of places on the net to get more info about this and I don't want to waste the space here. Suffice it to say that the only apps that care about 64-bit are those that need more than 2/4 gigs of RAM (which 10.2.7 allows) and those apps that need 64-bit integer precision (which is a mostly scientific, enterprise databases with several trillion records, etc...).
 
Originally posted by redcalx
Ok... where is this letter that everyone said apple is writing. Has nobody heard anything else?

I checked with Apple customer service this afternoon, they gave a revised delivery date for the letter, of 9/25/03.
 
Originally posted by leicaman
But no matter what YOU say, it's the FTC's rule, not yours. And their rule only covers money you give them. There is no way it could apply to "I've set this money aside..." Well, you should have put it in an interest-bearing savings account. You could have made what, 80 cents by now? How could you not call that a good deal? :D

They do not have to take your money to run foul of this rule. They simply need to advertise a product and start taking orders. Exactly what Apple has done. Remember they were not taking pre-orders with an unspecified date. They were taking orders and specifying a ship date, "On or before" Now they have moved the date precisely 30 days out, giving themselves as much rope as they offically can.

I would imagine the legal folks are having kittens, given Schillers press releases and the interview Todd gave a couple of days ago.

I don't doubt that most people like Apple and Apple products enough to cut them some slack. I equally sure there is good reason for the delay. But, bumping orders to make way for an important, and, testy client would not be it. Precisly the type of practices the FTC is trying to protect consumers from.
 
Well this should be an interesting weekend...I suppose at some point, my order is going to slip to late next month like everyone else's seem to be. Come on Apple, surprise me :)
 
On or before....

I'm glad someone finally pointed that out. I was getting ready to say something about it myself. Nowhere on my "order status" does it say ESTIMATED, as one of our other posters likes to print it. It says on or before. The "on" has passed. We are now "after" and the promised, not ESTIMATED, date has passed.
 
Re: Re: Re: Thinking?!?!

Originally posted by CaptainScarlet
It's very rare when a job is pulled due to a "material missing" problem.

And usually when materials run low, we ship what we can and ship the rest later.
Theoretically speaking, the problem here would be that were Apple to decide the glitch was vital, requiring immediate patching and repair to ensure proper operation, the "material missing" would be the OS.

Which, considering that no previous OS is likely to work on this machine, is something you can't really ship the computer without.
 
Re: On or before....

Originally posted by G5Church
I'm glad someone finally pointed that out. I was getting ready to say something about it myself. Nowhere on my "order status" does it say ESTIMATED, as one of our other posters likes to print it. It says on or before. The "on" has passed. We are now "after" and the promised, not ESTIMATED, date has passed.


Okay, before anyone rams this down my throat... I went and double checked. The column that the "on or before" date is in, is called "Est. Ship."

I care to say nothing more about this but to point out that still no one is talking about the delay of single processors. That's what I have on order, it originally said 8/29 and earlier today said 9/15 and then 9/12 and now again 9/15.
 
SYSTEM gets >4 GiB, not APP

Originally posted by akac
the only apps that care about 64-bit are those that need more than 2/4 gigs of RAM (which 10.2.7 allows)


10.2.7 (G5) and 10.3 do not allow an *application* to use more than the 2/4 GiB limit - memory pointers are 32-bits, so it is impossible to address more memory.

The SYSTEM is able to manage more memory, so that it can have multiple 2/4 GiB applications running simultaneously (given enough RAM).

There's nothing magical about this - even 16-bit computers from the 1970s could address more than 16-bit address spaces. Windows and Linux systems on Pentium 4/Xeon systems today can support up to 64 GiB of RAM - clearly on a 32-bit system.

Except for the very rare application that depends on 64-bit integers, none of the PPC970s advantages are due to its ability to handling 64-bit addresses. It's a fast chip in 32-bit mode, which should be good enough....

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And BTW, has anyone received the e-mail explaining the change in shipping dates yet?

I hope that Think Secret is wrong about one education order being bumped to the front of the queue - that's a horrible way for Apple to treat its customers.
 
New Status

Ok from 9/29 to 9/26 to 9/29 to 9/26 now to 9/22.....things are getting a little better...not that it's that much consolation:confused:
 
Re: New Status

Originally posted by fcpguy
Ok from 9/29 to 9/26 to 9/29 to 9/26 now to 9/22.....things are getting a little better...not that it's that much consolation:confused:

what is your config? are you an EDU order?
 
Re: SYSTEM gets >4 GiB, not APP

Originally posted by AidenShaw
10.2.7 (G5) and 10.3 do not allow an *application* to use more than the 2/4 GiB limit - memory pointers are 32-bits, so it is impossible to address more memory.

The SYSTEM is able to manage more memory, so that it can have multiple 2/4 GiB applications running simultaneously (given enough RAM).

There's nothing magical about this - even 16-bit computers from the 1970s could address more than 16-bit address spaces. Windows and Linux systems on Pentium 4/Xeon systems today can support up to 64 GiB of RAM - clearly on a 32-bit system.

Except for the very rare application that depends on 64-bit integers, none of the PPC970s advantages are due to its ability to handling 64-bit addresses. It's a fast chip in 32-bit mode, which should be good enough....

Almost agree :) Under a 32-bit processor, since the OS itself and VM, etc.. need to take up part of the 4GB memory space a 32-bit processor can take, a process can usually only really get to a max of maybe 2GB of memory used - if nothing else runs.

Under 10.2.7 and Panther, the OS can handle much more RAM, and so a single process can take up 4 GB of RAM all by itself. So in that case, the 64-bit memory allocation of the G5 DOES help specific processes.

But well said on the fact that the 64-bitness of the processor does not help it run any faster.
 
Re: Re: New Status

Originally posted by mxpiazza
what is your config? are you an EDU order?

Added the 9800 and removed modem...those are the only things I customized. No I am not an EDU order, just a normal joe who ordered a dual 2 G at about 9pm PST the day of the keynote....I just checked again and it's holding steady at 9/22
 
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