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PowerMac G5, iMac G5, eMac Specs

As eji hypothesized (and countless others), the 200 MHz speed bump is not significant. Nor is the new superdrive, if you ask me. I feel that, if these specs were true, they would definitely not warrant an event-oriented release. A quiet Tuesday morning in March would have sufficed. So I'm going out on a limb here...
In sticking with the conspiracy theory hypothesis, I'll guess that the original Page 2 specs-- or something close-- are the real deal.

Squire

<edit> Arn, I'm not suggesting your source (the one that confirmed the Page 2 rumor as false) is unreliable. Just sort of thinking that such an upgrade would truly be worthy or an event and, in all honesty, is somewhat in line with expectations after the lengthy wait.
 
osarda said:
You can count on these rumors not to be true. All of you!

I happen to work in high end graphics in the visual effects film industry and a friend of mine who works for Apple has begged me to delay my purchase of a Dual 2.5 Ghz PM until NAB. He couldn't tell me precisely what it was all about but that it would be a big mistake to buy now!

Now based on all these posts, I can't imagine that my Apple friend would tell me to 'definitely' wait until the announcement at NAB unless it was for something substantial. A 200mhz upgrade - I doubt it! He knows that I couldn't care less about such a small boost in performance.

Make up your own minds about what this might entail.
I, for one, expect to see a possible 4 proc 3Ghz machine with dual core technology or not. Rumors has been that Apple has been preparing a new line of super high end PowerMacs. It would make sense to release such a powerful machine with the announcement of FCP 5.0 HD, Motion 2.0, Shake 4.0, etc....

It would also make sense to announce to the press on sunday or monday the immediate availablilty of Dual Core Powermacs a couple of days before AMD and Intel announce their lines, therefore, stealing the show and the red carpet from under their competitors.....

I say - Go Apple!
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I agree. The only thing is that Apple would have to announce these machines on Sunday. Intel is going to be launching their dual core chips on Monday.
 
Hattig said:
From what I can see online, the Radeon 9650 is based upon the ~22 month old RV360 graphics core from ATI. Apple probably got the 9600 and 9650 chips cheap as they are old.

Basically it performs like an overclocked Radeon 9600 Pro.

From looking at benchmarks it seems the performance grading of graphics units is:

FX5200 < Radeon 9600 SE < FX5200U < Radeon 9600 < Radeon 9600 Pro < Radeon 9650 < Radeon 9600 XT

So to be honest it isn't much of an upgrade performance wise, but the extra memory should be worth something.
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So the next Power Mac is going to have a worse graphics card than it does now? I call this rumor bulls***!

Think Secret's getting 'Steved' :D
 
animefan_1 said:
I agree. The only thing is that Apple would have to announce these machines on Sunday. Intel is going to be launching their dual core chips on Monday.
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I agree too-Sunday could be the day the new G5's are announced at NAB, but then again I predict Apple will more likely release new versions of their pro-apps (their special event goes for about a hour -am I right?).
 
BWhaler said:
I totally agree.

But don't worry. Apple is going to win the case, hands down. Despite some brilliant PR by the defense, TS doesn't have a chance of winning the case.
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How can you loose all your iPods ? Pls see his sig:
 
Squire said:
As eji hypothesized (and countless others), the 200 MHz speed bump is not significant. Nor is the new superdrive, if you ask me. I feel that, if these specs were true, they would definitely not warrant an event-oriented release. A quiet Tuesday morning in March would have sufficed. So I'm going out on a limb here...
In sticking with the conspiracy theory hypothesis, I'll guess that the original Page 2 specs-- or something close-- are the real deal.

Squire
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Who says that there will be an event ? Just that they are updated in May. Most probably on a tuesday
 
CmdrLaForge said:
Who says that there will be an event ? Just that they are updated in May. Most probably on a tuesday
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Yeah, I suppose. There does seem to be a lot of talk pointing to a NAB release, though.

Squire
 
Discredit rumors sites and lower expectations

Does anyone else think that Apple could be feeding ThinkSecret bad information to discredit rumors sites and lower our expectations?
 
Freebart said:
Does anyone else think that Apple could be feeding ThinkSecret bad information to discredit rumors sites and lower our expectations?
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Heh heh - you wish... I think it's like chinese whispers. Somone hears a rumour passes it on etc.. by the time it gets to thinksecret it's not quite what it was. What we will actually get is an updated iPod and no new PMs for another year.
 
eji said:
One year has gone by since the last PM updates. That's far too long to yield the meager 200MHz speed boost of the high-end CPU. We all know this would look slightly ridiculous given Intel's recent announcement of shipping dual cores, and I think Apple does as well. If this was all IBM could deliver, it would have been in machines 3 to 6 months ago.
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Don't forget its not always MHz thats important..
As we should all by now performance is subject to a lot of things..
 
Thinksecret "generally" get things correct......however specifications arent always spot on ..and are sometimes quite wide of the mark, remember the iPod mini with colour screen?

According to TS, all the new dual 2ghz PowerMac gets is a different video card. :eek: lol I'm secretly hoping they have got it wrong, but..................we know Apple ;)
 
MacSA said:
According to TS, all the new dual 2ghz PowerMac gets is a different video card. :eek: lol I'm secretly hoping they have got it wrong, but..................we know Apple ;)
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Actually, the dual 2Ghz gets a new (worse) motherboard with only 4 ram slots.

But indeed : TS is known to be wrong in the spec department, from time tot time.
 
osarda said:
I happen to work in high end graphics in the visual effects film industry and a friend of mine who works for Apple has begged me to delay my purchase of a Dual 2.5 Ghz PM until NAB. He couldn't tell me precisely what it was all about but that it would be a big mistake to buy now!

Now based on all these posts, I can't imagine that my Apple friend would tell me to 'definitely' wait until the announcement at NAB unless it was for something substantial.
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Go on.. I dare you to tell us your Friends (or ex-Friend) name.. ;)
Maybe you could could say.. wink once for single core, twice for dual.
 
Also the specs listed for the "Better" 17" iMac are the same as the dual G5 apart from the extra G5 of course. Also the new eMac will have the same memory and HD capacity as the dual 2gz G5. Hmmmmmmm....these specs can't be right? :confused: :confused:

* "Better" 17-inch, 2GHz
o 512K L2 cache
o 512MB DDR SDRAM
o 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
o SuperDrive (supporting dual-layer as well as DVD±RW/CD-RW burning)
128MB DDR SDRAM ATI Radeon 9600 video card


* Dual-2GHz
o 512K L2 cache per processor
o Dual 1GHz frontside buses
o 512MB PC3200 DDR SDRAM (4GB max.)
o 160GB Serial ATA Hard Drive
o 128MB DDR SDRAM ATI Radeon 9600 video card
 
There is no smoke without fire

If the configs of TS are true, there must be a workstation with dual-dual processors as well. If you in need for processing power, don't worry Apple will satisfy you. It will be a killer machine and I'm gonna buy one.
 
ImAlwaysRight said:
Dude, the Dobermans would eat you alive before you made it to the front door.

As for Think Secret website, those of you hoping they are wrong, since I have been watching them the last 3 years, they have never been wrong when they have a "confirmed" report. All other rumor sites, yes, they are a joke. Others are run by kids. But not TS. They get it right every time. If they don't know, they don't publish the info, like the release dates of the new PM's, for instance. Are new iMacs gonna be announced next week, or April 29th? I'm pulling for next Tuesday.
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Think Secret is run by a 19 year old.

As for them 'getting it right every time', I'd suggest you look at:
Tiger will likely be in stores by April 15. - Wrong

Color screen iPod mini with 6GB Seagate drives - Wrong (No color screen)

Six new colors for iPod mini - Wrong (No new colors, gold removed, existing colors (sans silver) made more vibrant)

2 and 4 GB iPod minis starting at around $99 - Wrong (4 GB only; $249). Remember the complaints people had toward Apple because Think Secret got the rumor wrong?

New 'body colors' for existing iPod models - Wrong.

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Think Secret does get a lot of things right, but to say they always get it right is ignoring the truth.

I think that this rumor is going to be another Think Secret error. Big time.
 
dual core - it's dual processor on a single chip

broken_keyboard said:
- Dual 3GHc CPU, non dual-core. At this point we need individual threads to run faster more than we need more simultaneous threads.
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This statement is a bit confused - dual core is not the same thing as SMT (aka "HyperThreading").

A dual core chip is a dual CPU chip. There's no "marketing hype" to call a system with a single dual-core chip a "dual CPU system" - it has two CPUs which just happen to physically share a single socket.

As far as running "individual threads", there's no difference between having a dual-core chip and two single core chips. In both cases an entire CPU can be dedicate to a thread.

(Actually, there is a difference - the dual core chip might be better at inter-processor communications needed to coordinate the two CPUs. Any benefit from this would be application-dependent, however. Apps such as video rendering typically don't need much coordination compared to apps like databases and transaction processing.)

The two main benefits of dual core would be:

- a dual CPU machine could be cheaper and smaller, since it only needs one CPU socket (think dual CPU iMacs and PowerBooks)

- a mobo with two sockets could support 4 CPUs - dual dual-core chips would make an honest quad CPU system
 
Power Mac Pro

osarda said:
Make up your own minds about what this might entail.
I, for one, expect to see a possible 4 proc 3Ghz machine with dual core technology or not. Rumors has been that Apple has been preparing a new line of super high end PowerMacs. It would make sense to release such a powerful machine with the announcement of FCP 5.0 HD, Motion 2.0, Shake 4.0, etc...
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That would be sweet :p What kind of price tag would you expect on a box like that - $3999 :confused: Include Pioneer's new Blu-ray Disc drive and you've got one killer box :eek: Power Mac Pro maybe?
 
OK, here I am again. :p

In 1999 we had Apple bashing Pentium II's and III's (and rightfully so).

Then we had Apple preaching the megahertz myth (you didn't see Steve and Phil lining up a Pentium against a G4 on stage those years).

Then we had the G5, which brought Apple back to the forefront again with processor technology, but not for long.

The question is, will Apple drop a bomb like the good ole' days, or release a paltry 200MHz upgrade on it's flagship machine?

My bet is we'll see dual core, or we'll see more and more design and creative firms switching to Winblows (I see it happening in the publishing world already).

Guess we have the next 6 days to find out.
 
Sunday NAB,

Apple news conference 11:00- 12:15


Monday

Alienware unveils two new AMD-based computer systems, the Roswell 7550 desktop workstation for video editing, content, and design professionals, and the Aurora: Star Wars Edition.


Lets hope that "The Smart One" knows what he's doing.
 
animefan_1 said:
So the next Power Mac is going to have a worse graphics card than it does now? I call this rumor bulls***!

Think Secret's getting 'Steved' :D
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I hope so. PCI-E has been out for a long time now and paying $3K for a unit that doesn't even ship with an X700/800 is pretty weak. Technology is moving on and Apple isn't keeping up. Thay've got too many iPods in the way to see ahead of the curve.
 
Dual Core is Coming!

I would be VERY surprised if the 2.7 Ghz model is not Dual core. It would not make any sense for me to for IBM to not release a dual core proc first. The G5 is essentially the same design as IBM Power4 processor right. They stripped out one of the cores and added in AltiVec. They should be well ahead of the ball game to develop a dual core G5.

Just my thoughts.

Daniel
 
FFTT said:
Sunday NAB,

Apple news conference 11:00- 12:15


Monday

Alienware unveils two new AMD-based computer systems, the Roswell 7550 desktop workstation for video editing, content, and design professionals, and the Aurora: Star Wars Edition.


Lets hope that "The Smart One" knows what he's doing.
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Apple will not announce anything Sunday. NAB2005 runs from 16-21, however the exhibits are from the 18-21, the 18th happens to be a Tuesday, my bet is then.
 
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