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PowerMac G5, iMac G5, eMac Specs
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thoroughbred said:
Apples to Oranges comparison.
You can't buy a Single processor G5 2.5GHZ it's only available as a dual.
The P4 is only sold in Single processor configurations.
So to make the comparison you have to compare Dual G5 2.5 Ghz PMac's to Dual Xeon boxes. They are very competitive in speed with ea other ( all hype aside) Both do an adequate job with todays applications. For the most part you can't even really compare them anyway because in most cases they don't run the same apps of course there are a small number of exceptions.
Expect better
Would have thought Apple might have upgraded the Graphics subsystem. With the release of Tiger and 'core image' technology the Mac would benefit from PCIe more than a pc for every day apps. I think the base spec for the new Powermac G5 should include:-
Processor - whatever
Nvidia 6800 ultra or Ati x800XT (PCIe)
1Gb+ DDR2 memory as standard
2x250Gb hard drives (SATA 3G/s)
7.1 sound
You would expect the above on a mid to high end PC.
Hope I'm not ranting, but was expecting to see something special, just as when the G5 was first introduced.
Power Man G5 Dual 2Ghz
Would have thought Apple might have upgraded the Graphics subsystem. With the release of Tiger and 'core image' technology the Mac would benefit from PCIe more than a pc for every day apps. I think the base spec for the new Powermac G5 should include:-
Processor - whatever
Nvidia 6800 ultra or Ati x800XT (PCIe)
1Gb+ DDR2 memory as standard
2x250Gb hard drives (SATA 3G/s)
7.1 sound
You would expect the above on a mid to high end PC.
Hope I'm not ranting, but was expecting to see something special, just as when the G5 was first introduced.
Power Man G5 Dual 2Ghz
Wishful Thinking, perhaps, but...
I recall this document being released on IBM's webpage a while back, then being quickly withdrawn. I predict we will be seeing dual cores this rev...at the very least, they are well on their way to the market.
I recall this document being released on IBM's webpage a while back, then being quickly withdrawn. I predict we will be seeing dual cores this rev...at the very least, they are well on their way to the market.
Dan1976 said:
I think you're expecting a little too much on the RAM and especially the Hard Drives. A single 250 as base I could see, but not two. I saw earlier someone saying that you can't buy a PC for 1200 dollars with less than a gig of RAM. Well Dell's XPS comes standard with an 80 gig HD and a 512 RAM.
$MacUser$ said:
In that document we can see the 970MP has 1MB cache L2 each core. If the 512K of cache L2 in the TS report is not a typo, we won't get dual core G5s... after 1 year... that's not good at all
BTW: Has anybody seen that AppleStore is not offering the Ati 9800XT anymore with the Powermacs?
You're being too harsh. Sure they don't nail every detail, but they've been mostly right in the rumors you list, which is pretty darn respectable in this rumors business. So they were a couple weeks off on the Tiger release. BFD. They're still closer than a lot of people. And they were off about the mini color screen, but they got the 6gb part right and Apple did introduce three new colors, even if these colors were similar to old ones (I believe Apple gave them new names). Recently especially, they've been pretty close to right on all the rumors.animefan_1 said:
Here's what could happen:
Scenario I - Apple comes out with either a DP 970GX 3Ghz PM, or a DP 970MP 2.7Ghz, both with slightly better specs than what TS is claiming. Shipping in 1-2 months.
Scenario II - TS is right on, and Apple releases new PMs for immediate availability. 970MP PMs announced at WWDC, don't ship until Q4.
Scenario III - TS is way off. Apple doesn't announce any PM updates at NAB. 970MP PMs are announced at WWDC...
In any case, my circa 1999 HP Pavilion laptop has suffered enough, and I will be buying whatever model Apple releases for under $2000. Maybe they'll let me walk out of Vegas with one!?
Scenario I - Apple comes out with either a DP 970GX 3Ghz PM, or a DP 970MP 2.7Ghz, both with slightly better specs than what TS is claiming. Shipping in 1-2 months.
Scenario II - TS is right on, and Apple releases new PMs for immediate availability. 970MP PMs announced at WWDC, don't ship until Q4.
Scenario III - TS is way off. Apple doesn't announce any PM updates at NAB. 970MP PMs are announced at WWDC...
In any case, my circa 1999 HP Pavilion laptop has suffered enough, and I will be buying whatever model Apple releases for under $2000. Maybe they'll let me walk out of Vegas with one!?
dongmin said:
That's what I was thinking as I went down the list too. Sure they weren't spot on but it ain't bad either.
All for 1% or less
All this bitching for the less than 1% of the computer market that needs the kind of power we are talking about in a quad processor. For the majority of us, is the difference between 5 or 7 seconds to rip a CD going to even be noticed. NO.
I have been waiting for a faster superdrive, if they have one on the new imac, I am there.
I am always amazed by the amount of whine and complain that goes on here. So much doom and gloom about a company that sold more macs this quarter than any other in the last what 5 years.
Buy your AMD or INTEL and live with windows on a beige box... and be quiet about it... please
All this bitching for the less than 1% of the computer market that needs the kind of power we are talking about in a quad processor. For the majority of us, is the difference between 5 or 7 seconds to rip a CD going to even be noticed. NO.
I have been waiting for a faster superdrive, if they have one on the new imac, I am there.
I am always amazed by the amount of whine and complain that goes on here. So much doom and gloom about a company that sold more macs this quarter than any other in the last what 5 years.
Buy your AMD or INTEL and live with windows on a beige box... and be quiet about it... please
Yes, I think a lot of the equipment and price comparisons you see people give are for systems that come from "mom & pop" shops or relatively small specialty houses or small companies that can assemble systems with off-the-shelf components and who operate at very low margins. However, as for cost overhead, they don't have to offer retirement or medical plans for their workers, they don't have large sales and marketing departments, they don't have any real engineering infrastructure at all, and lastly they don't have a large group of mid and high level managers who are making $100k and higher to keep that whole multi-billion dollar "ball" rolling.ManchesterTrix said:
True, companies like Dell and HP make low priced systems that offer more raw bang-for-the-buck that Apple, but in many cases when you look at those systems you soon realize that on a true value basis they don't really offer that much more than Apple. However, there are, as always, exceptions (i.e. I'm not saying that Apple always has comparable systems to anything that can be found at Dell or HP).
And as far as putting a better video card in the standard Power Mac bundle, if you want a better video card you should do a BTO from the Apple store. Yes, it will be expensive, but if you want or need it you should be willing to pay for it and not expect everyone else who buys a Power Mac at a retail store to foot the bill.
IMO, having a NVIDIA 6800 Ultra (as someone suggested) in the base configuration of the Power Mac would just be wasteful for the vast majority of customers and would bring Power Mac prices up even more. As for memory, 512MB is sufficient for many users and if you want more you should just buy it "cheap" on the open market where DRAM prices are always lowest.
The most interesting speculation I've heard so far is that the new processor will be a single core derivative of the POWER5, i.e., it will have SMT capability and be a little bit better performing than the POWER4 derived 970.
Decent SMT could increase multithreaded performance by 30%, which on a 2.7GHz processor would be like a 3.5GHz 970.
Decent SMT could increase multithreaded performance by 30%, which on a 2.7GHz processor would be like a 3.5GHz 970.
Hattig said:
Based upon what I know (in the industry) and what I've read from others whom I consider to be very knowledgeable I'd say that speculation like that is just plan wrong. It isn't going to happen. However, it is true that IBM's SMT can increase performance by up to 30% (or more).
paulypants said:
These guys offer a 4.0GHZ P4. They use their own liquid cooler though, so it's not standard. http://velocitymicro.com/mediarelations_pr_vm20050404.php
But a dual-processor, dual-core (970MP) system running at 2.7GHz would be a very expensive option at this time. In fact, the prices for any dual-dual would almost certainly have to be much higher than the existing Power Macs. To have a lineup like that would not make any sense (talk about people complaining about Apple's prices now, whew!).
Also, if Apple is going to introduce dual-core systems I don't think they would have maintained such a low profile at NAB. They only have one special event scheduled and they really aren't participating in any of the keynotes and special sessions. Also, a dual-processor, dual-core Power Mac would have to be introduced by Steve Jobs and I don't believe that he is even scheduled to appear at NAB (although he could make a surprise appearance).
IMO, the rumors are accurate. No dual-core, just a slight speed bump on the existing systems and (most likely) a price reduction. Apple's dual-core Power Macs will appear later in the year.
Also, if Apple is going to introduce dual-core systems I don't think they would have maintained such a low profile at NAB. They only have one special event scheduled and they really aren't participating in any of the keynotes and special sessions. Also, a dual-processor, dual-core Power Mac would have to be introduced by Steve Jobs and I don't believe that he is even scheduled to appear at NAB (although he could make a surprise appearance).
IMO, the rumors are accurate. No dual-core, just a slight speed bump on the existing systems and (most likely) a price reduction. Apple's dual-core Power Macs will appear later in the year.
danielwsmithee said:
What they are all single dual core ?
Maybe that the source of TS mistaken dual proc with dual core. What if all PowerMac G5 now are dual core. This could bring the price down, while keeping the possibility of a dual dual for a very high end machine ?
In which case a dual core 2.7 Ghz, would be faster than a dual proc 2.7Ghz.
Here's hope...
But then, if there is no PCIe...
Maybe that the source of TS mistaken dual proc with dual core. What if all PowerMac G5 now are dual core. This could bring the price down, while keeping the possibility of a dual dual for a very high end machine ?
In which case a dual core 2.7 Ghz, would be faster than a dual proc 2.7Ghz.
Here's hope...
But then, if there is no PCIe...
iGary said:OK...
EVERYONE NEEDS TO TAKE A CHILL ON THIS FREAKING CORE IMAGE THING.
If your GPU is not supported, you CPU will handle the graphic task.
CHILL.
Ugh.
Graphics chips do way more GFLOPS than CPUs.
Like hell the CPU will be able to handle those shaders for Core Video
(for Core Image they would just be horribly slow).
daveL said:
DANG! I was thinking the same thing. Except your numbers are a bit higher then mine.