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PowerMac G5 Updates - March 23rd?
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I also received an interesting phone call.
I was on Apple's online store, pricing different configurations of G5 the other day. I had saved one of my combinations. A day later, a salesperson called me unsolicited, said he noticed I had an order saved at the Apple Store, and asked if he could talk to me for a few minutes. He also had some "package deals" regarding the G5, but then realized I was an education customer, and stated that I would already receive the best deal via the education store. He asked permission and then emailed me a short note to keep in touch regarding any future purchases.
This was about 1 week ago.
Borg3of5 said:
I was on Apple's online store, pricing different configurations of G5 the other day. I had saved one of my combinations. A day later, a salesperson called me unsolicited, said he noticed I had an order saved at the Apple Store, and asked if he could talk to me for a few minutes. He also had some "package deals" regarding the G5, but then realized I was an education customer, and stated that I would already receive the best deal via the education store. He asked permission and then emailed me a short note to keep in touch regarding any future purchases.
This was about 1 week ago.
Do you guys think that It would be better for me (cheapper and faster) If I order the g5 with the current configuration (no customizing it), and then buy the 1 gig of ram I want and the ATI 9800, and then sell the ATI 9600 that comes with the computer?
NarKEd said:
yes, on both accounts -- you'd get a stock machine instead of forcing them to put yours together with the extra ram and better card, and you can shop around for a card with the configuration you want (type of outputs, etc.).
Of course, Apple won't offer support for the RAM or the video card.
Great. Another reason not to buy a Mac now. And when this rumor doesn't pan out, there will be another sure to follow, insuring that we still shouldn't buy now. Apple's insane marketing policy whereas machines aren't discounted throughtout the sales lifetime of the machine makes it so that there is only one day in the entire year that buying a Mac is sensible.
Dont Hurt Me
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Interesting, guess they are getting desparate. Im surprised they didnt try to force a G4 on you afterall they must have bought a zillion of them 5 years ago. The whole line up is so flawed but they are making money so i guess they dont care what the consumer thinks or wants. we will build are computers our way and who care's if less and less people buy. very surprised they called you considering how arrogant Apple is.billefrafra said:
invaLPsion
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Dont Hurt Me said:
Don't Hurt me. You and I are in the same boat. We are both waiting for the new G5s to make our purchases. I've noticed that your posts have become a lot more damning recently, presumably because you are getting tired of waiting. This is understandable. However, I assure that when the new powermacs come out THIS month you will feel a lot better, especially when you have ordered your brand new computer. The thought that keeps me going is being able to play Warcraft 3 and UT04 at large frame rates with no choppiness. Also, to be able to edit much faster in Final Cut Express and iMovie.
Don't worry man, you'll get your supercomputer, and you'll love it. 😉
I also am awaiting the new powermac updates anxiously. I am going to order the day they come out and I really don't care if 3ghz is out by summer because I need to upgrade from an old iMac 500mhz with 256mb of ram. Whichever model I get I am sure will feel many times faster than this thing.
MacRAND
macrumors 6502a
When will the aluminum frame screens be out? Can hardly wait. pant, pant, pant...!
I want one too, but I'd like to include an Apple Cinema Display on the same AppleCare contract -
which must be purchased at the same time as the G5, otherwise, AppleCare coverage of both costs more.
So, the rhetorical question is:
perfectly matching my beautiful old 2002 QuickSilver case
(which I absolutely LOVE and still consider its design to be a timeless work of art,
similar to that of the ageless iCUBE) but
totally "YesterYear" or "preY2k" {as my daughters would say}, or, semantically speaking --
no longer "good", "bad", "rad", "hot", "with it", "ON", or the "bomb" (?),
looking "totally retro" to the '60s or '70s eras,
which for them is totally "dbb" (decades before birth)
but for me - merely historical.
I want a new stylish --
I'd even like an Apple DLP projector (Texas Instrument technology
now in over 40 HDTV sets - Samsung, RCA, Sharp, Philips, et al.)
FRONT
unfortunately DLP currently has poor computer-monitor type resolution
when compared to smaller, more expensive LCDs, like those now used.
{Wonder what LG and Samsung R&D of Korea have cooking up recently?}
And... I'm getting really pumped up now,
(know what I mean DontHurtMe, invaLPsion, clr900, et alia, ?)
I want nothing less than an 8x DVD burning SuperDrive (preferably Pioneer), immediately available APPLE 8x DVD-R Media in 5-Packs, and for the
DVD surface to be PRINTABLE on the new line of Epson Photo Printers (900, 960, R300, R800, etc.)aluminum frame
This new G5 Mac lineup is awesome, all duals - the way it should be.clr900 said:
I want one too, but I'd like to include an Apple Cinema Display on the same AppleCare contract -
which must be purchased at the same time as the G5, otherwise, AppleCare coverage of both costs more.
So, the rhetorical question is:
When will the G5-style matching
aluminum framed screens be out?
I do NOT want a current thick plastic-frame model aluminum framed screens be out?
perfectly matching my beautiful old 2002 QuickSilver case
(which I absolutely LOVE and still consider its design to be a timeless work of art,
similar to that of the ageless iCUBE) but
totally "YesterYear" or "preY2k" {as my daughters would say}, or, semantically speaking --
no longer "good", "bad", "rad", "hot", "with it", "ON", or the "bomb" (?),
looking "totally retro" to the '60s or '70s eras,
which for them is totally "dbb" (decades before birth)
but for me - merely historical.
I want a new stylish --
THIN aluminum frame Cinema Studio Display to match the G5s -
higher contrast
higher contrast
(like at least 3000:1)
larger screen (27" to 30" is nice; 40" would be nicer),
for an "iMax Mac-wide-wrap" look
higher resolution (full HD, 2400x1900 or better; 16:9 ratio),
HDTV ready (or receiver included, even for a $250 premium)
less expensive (under $2000) [ok, "under $999" if begging helps, I'm begging]
larger screen (27" to 30" is nice; 40" would be nicer),
for an "iMax Mac-wide-wrap" look
higher resolution (full HD, 2400x1900 or better; 16:9 ratio),
HDTV ready (or receiver included, even for a $250 premium)
less expensive (under $2000) [ok, "under $999" if begging helps, I'm begging]
I'd even like an Apple DLP projector (Texas Instrument technology
now in over 40 HDTV sets - Samsung, RCA, Sharp, Philips, et al.)
FRONT
-or-
REAR
projection
for its beautiful color, bright picture and incredible contrast, unfortunately DLP currently has poor computer-monitor type resolution
when compared to smaller, more expensive LCDs, like those now used.
{Wonder what LG and Samsung R&D of Korea have cooking up recently?}
And... I'm getting really pumped up now,
(know what I mean DontHurtMe, invaLPsion, clr900, et alia, ?)
I want nothing less than an 8x DVD burning SuperDrive (preferably Pioneer), immediately available APPLE 8x DVD-R Media in 5-Packs, and for the
DVD surface to be PRINTABLE on the new line of Epson Photo Printers (900, 960, R300, R800, etc.)aluminum frame
The memory promotion ends on March 27, not March 23. so maybe the release day its going to be the 27th
MacRAND said:
Apple has announced NOTHING -- don't take a rumor as gospel.
Having said that, it's possible that the new line-up will be all dual -- but it's also possible that the speeds will be slower than reported. After all, have we seen any evidence that IBM has delivered chips at 2.4 or 2.6 GHz?
I still have hopes that Apple will give us a significant increase in speed -- but I'm a little worry that IBM will only deliver the usual, Motorola-type increase.
Look for an announcement on the 30th -- I'd be shocked (happy, but shocked) if they can get it together by the 23rd. The first announcement would be next week: the availability of OS 10.3.3.
Dont Hurt Me
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Iam not so sure Ill be getting a Mac, still researching this. I have looked into Alienware's Aurora and have seen a lot of reviews and from what I have read it is faster in almost everything vs a dual 2.0 G5. With Apple its allways will i have the power to run whats coming out because of such poor cpu's in the machines. Going with a AMD 64 3400 means not only will it cost me less but i will be able to buy stuff for it right here in yahooville S.C since Apple has not one store in the state. It will also give me speed and the abilty to get the latest programs without playing Apples hurry up and wait game. Also will give a choice of colors( remember Imac crt) and all kinds of options you dont get with Mac. and its made in Florida USA not some 3rd world country. I will say its looking better and better except for 1 thing. Windows XP which i have never messed with.invaLPsion said:
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LOL, Alienware. You realize you pay a $1,000 premium for that pretty case on top of what you could buy the exact same components for from a vendor like Newegg, right?
And no matter how fast your PC is it won't be running OSX. I use PCs every day and have a very fast gaming machine, but when I want to work and -be productive- I use a Mac.
And Alienware PCs are assembled in Florida, some guy sticks the cards in the slots and installs the OS. All of the components they use are off the shelf parts (Nvidia/ATI video cards, ASUS motherboards, etc) that are made in the same countries Apple's parts are made. There is nothing made in the USA about Analware.
MacRAND
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Think first, real hard before picking a platform.
If you were already a Mac Person (MacAddict, etc.) you would be committed and invested in the Mac and Apple software, which would mean you'd have to have a real good reason to abandon the Mac platform in order to go PC. I'd be throwing away maybe $15,000 in accumulated software and untold hours of Mac-specific-training in the Mac system over the last dozen years or more; plus, I'd have to invest in a like amount on any new platform.
Apple hardware, software, and OS X must be taken as a whole and considered as an organism like the human body. You need the hands, feet, ears, eyes, lungs, heart. etc. etc., to do various things as a whole BODY.
To abandon one body for another is difficult to reverse.
You do NOT need an Apple Store - catalogs, Mac Users Groups and forums like this are your support, combined with the monthly knowlege imparted by MacAddict and Macworld mags.
So, except for gaming, what POWER does the PC platform and MS Windows offer that is now handled superbly on the Mac.
For me, a G4 dual 1GHz is so fast for 98% of my uses, I simply cannot yet justify a G5 - i my WANT a G5 (it is so cool) but I have only a 2% NEED for one, if that. Using a G5 to run FinalCut Pro and DVD Studion Pro would really be helpful and fun, but the 8x DVD burner is probably more time saving and much cheaper than an upgrade to a G5. However, moving up from a G3 to a G4 iBook or G5 PowerBook, that would make sense and that IS part of my wish list.
Finally, if you feel SPEED and something else I don't understand (you could explain) is more important than the intuitive nature of the Mac, and you have no problem giving up OS X, the free iAPPS and the security and lack of viruses on a Mac, then go Windoze or Lindows.
You are not a MacPerson, you are not a real swithcer. The difficulty a dye-in-the-wool MacPerson has with this is how inconceivable it is that anyone could abandon (what for me is more than a decade of) experience, accumulated software, and knowledge -- to shift to another platform. If for some reason I did, it would not be windows, it might be lindows...for sure.
You have my blessings for whatever you decide.
No one is going to hurt you Dont Hurt Me, it is pretty clear that you are simply going to hurt yourself. Here, I think you are going to need these.
If you are a dedicated Gamer, go PC and put up with Windows XP and viruses, and never look back, Dont Hurt Me.Dont Hurt Me said:
If you were already a Mac Person (MacAddict, etc.) you would be committed and invested in the Mac and Apple software, which would mean you'd have to have a real good reason to abandon the Mac platform in order to go PC. I'd be throwing away maybe $15,000 in accumulated software and untold hours of Mac-specific-training in the Mac system over the last dozen years or more; plus, I'd have to invest in a like amount on any new platform.
Apple hardware, software, and OS X must be taken as a whole and considered as an organism like the human body. You need the hands, feet, ears, eyes, lungs, heart. etc. etc., to do various things as a whole BODY.
To abandon one body for another is difficult to reverse.
You do NOT need an Apple Store - catalogs, Mac Users Groups and forums like this are your support, combined with the monthly knowlege imparted by MacAddict and Macworld mags.
So, except for gaming, what POWER does the PC platform and MS Windows offer that is now handled superbly on the Mac.
For me, a G4 dual 1GHz is so fast for 98% of my uses, I simply cannot yet justify a G5 - i my WANT a G5 (it is so cool) but I have only a 2% NEED for one, if that. Using a G5 to run FinalCut Pro and DVD Studion Pro would really be helpful and fun, but the 8x DVD burner is probably more time saving and much cheaper than an upgrade to a G5. However, moving up from a G3 to a G4 iBook or G5 PowerBook, that would make sense and that IS part of my wish list.
Finally, if you feel SPEED and something else I don't understand (you could explain) is more important than the intuitive nature of the Mac, and you have no problem giving up OS X, the free iAPPS and the security and lack of viruses on a Mac, then go Windoze or Lindows.
You are not a MacPerson, you are not a real swithcer. The difficulty a dye-in-the-wool MacPerson has with this is how inconceivable it is that anyone could abandon (what for me is more than a decade of) experience, accumulated software, and knowledge -- to shift to another platform. If for some reason I did, it would not be windows, it might be lindows...for sure.
You have my blessings for whatever you decide.
No one is going to hurt you Dont Hurt Me, it is pretty clear that you are simply going to hurt yourself. Here, I think you are going to need these.
MacRAND
macrumors 6502a
Gospel = the "good news"
More importantly, you do realize that upon joining this site, and everytime we visit, it says right at the top http://forums.macrumors.com
P..S. Happy Birthday, I have to wait until the last day of the month of March
My brother and I are Aires "twins" for 3 days. 😉
The "Article" is more an Epistle from Apostles, who may be "believers" but are neither divine nor infalable. Hardly divine word in the form of a Gospel - just because it is good news.numediaman said:
More importantly, you do realize that upon joining this site, and everytime we visit, it says right at the top http://forums.macrumors.com
P..S. Happy Birthday, I have to wait until the last day of the month of March
My brother and I are Aires "twins" for 3 days. 😉
discount
I had a similar experience today. Phoned up at lunch to enquire about the dual 1.8 g5 and asked for a discount. After some haggling I managed to get 7% off which totaled about £140 ($280). This discount was not including the already discounted ram, this was an extra 7%.
I also asked about upcoming updates to the powermac. Non commital reply but seemed to think they are pretty imminent!! 🙂
As you can probably guess I didn't go for the offer because the rev b's are gonna kick ass! 😎
Borg3of5 said:
I had a similar experience today. Phoned up at lunch to enquire about the dual 1.8 g5 and asked for a discount. After some haggling I managed to get 7% off which totaled about £140 ($280). This discount was not including the already discounted ram, this was an extra 7%.
I also asked about upcoming updates to the powermac. Non commital reply but seemed to think they are pretty imminent!! 🙂
As you can probably guess I didn't go for the offer because the rev b's are gonna kick ass! 😎
LOL what do u know about the quality of alienware? My friend worked at alienware for over a year, let me tell you that optimizing mumbo jumbo ..its crap. Remember the alienware media center things? they stopped makin them cuz they had some problems with them. The only good thing that alienware is the wire wrapping thing, and even them lots of companies do it today. If you wanna buy overhyped PCs on a plastic alien lookin shell (because the inside are from the same good ol Antec cases, and they stilll weight a ton) be my guest. Alienware its just pure hype, want a PC build your own man.
Are you comparing it to the pro or gaming line?
PC's are good for a lot of things. There's definately a trade off. I've been happy with mine (i'm getting a mac though to replace it come rev b) with only minimal annoyances ...processor went bad, went through 2 cd roms, 2 video cards, 2 soundcards, 3 monitors and a mother board. I've only had it for 3 years though, so more can still go wrong. ALTHOUGH i bought a cheapo dell. Alienware is known for their use of high quality, top of the line parts which helps. If you're looking to go gaming, go for the pc....but like it was mentioned above...yer really not paying a whole lot less for one comparably equipped. I've been doing my research too, and if for some reason that i decide not ot get a mac, i'm building my OWN pc. I'm not paying alien ware an assload of money for something i can build on my own my less than half the price. PC's will do anything you do on your mac now, in a round about way, so it's not THAT big of a difference between the two worlds right now. I mean, i'll admit it, there's nuances in XP that i still wish would have been included in OSX. I manage a computer lab full of macs, and i will tell you, that even though i have almost 75 macs running 16 hours a day i've only had a couple harddrives go bad...so the ratio of that to my dell is still better and that's an additional 74 computers. Yer paying the extra (although VERY little) amount of cash for a reason. I've spent MORE in the long haul on my PC than i would have initially on a mac....it's a mistake that im not going to make again. Again though, this is just my personal experience. I'm not going to turn into a fanatical mac fan boy once i pick it up either. I'll still use my pc for gaming and as much stuff as i can...unless it's art or professional use. Which is what the mac shines at doing.
Dont Hurt Me said:
PC's are good for a lot of things. There's definately a trade off. I've been happy with mine (i'm getting a mac though to replace it come rev b) with only minimal annoyances ...processor went bad, went through 2 cd roms, 2 video cards, 2 soundcards, 3 monitors and a mother board. I've only had it for 3 years though, so more can still go wrong. ALTHOUGH i bought a cheapo dell. Alienware is known for their use of high quality, top of the line parts which helps. If you're looking to go gaming, go for the pc....but like it was mentioned above...yer really not paying a whole lot less for one comparably equipped. I've been doing my research too, and if for some reason that i decide not ot get a mac, i'm building my OWN pc. I'm not paying alien ware an assload of money for something i can build on my own my less than half the price. PC's will do anything you do on your mac now, in a round about way, so it's not THAT big of a difference between the two worlds right now. I mean, i'll admit it, there's nuances in XP that i still wish would have been included in OSX. I manage a computer lab full of macs, and i will tell you, that even though i have almost 75 macs running 16 hours a day i've only had a couple harddrives go bad...so the ratio of that to my dell is still better and that's an additional 74 computers. Yer paying the extra (although VERY little) amount of cash for a reason. I've spent MORE in the long haul on my PC than i would have initially on a mac....it's a mistake that im not going to make again. Again though, this is just my personal experience. I'm not going to turn into a fanatical mac fan boy once i pick it up either. I'll still use my pc for gaming and as much stuff as i can...unless it's art or professional use. Which is what the mac shines at doing.
Dont Hurt Me said:
you may be better off with the PC, given your utility for raw CPU speed, software selection, and pretty colors. if you don't place much value in the whole package (i.e. Powermac design, OS X, Apple software, etc), there's no reason to buy a Mac really.
If you really think of the roadmap for powermac G5 til the end of summer it seems to make sense what CPU speeds they would release.
G5 Rev.B line up (late March)
Dual 2.0 - Dual 2.2 - Dual 2.4
G5 Rev.C line up (late Summer)
Dual 2.6 - Dual 2.8 - Dual 3.0
To span a 200mhz gap across the entire line between two revisions seems to make perfect business sense. And follows the statements by Jobs. I dont see why they would sell a low end machine and the middle end machine with a 400mhz gap in CPU speeds.
G5 Rev.B line up (late March)
Dual 2.0 - Dual 2.2 - Dual 2.4
G5 Rev.C line up (late Summer)
Dual 2.6 - Dual 2.8 - Dual 3.0
To span a 200mhz gap across the entire line between two revisions seems to make perfect business sense. And follows the statements by Jobs. I dont see why they would sell a low end machine and the middle end machine with a 400mhz gap in CPU speeds.
Dont Hurt Me
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Hate to tell you but Apple does the same thing uses the same parts, drives,video cards,memory etc. only the case& mobo they make is different. The thing with Mac is there are much less choices in video cards,drives, etc. Alienware is assembled in USA, some Macs are built in China.You also pay a premium for that mac case holding the same parts thats in a pc except with the mac there is less choice and more cost. Im just getting tired of no updates and the 5 years of G4 and the pushing a new OS on you every year and the sub PC performance. Im waiting for an Article from a fellow user that macworld did but its interesting that Alienware won between Dual G5s and a single cpu equiped Alienware.Interesting isnt it. A Mac publisher admitting that the G5 lost. I get a kick out of all the ones who think Jobs & Apple do no wrong.Fast Shadow said:
JohnnyTwoToes said:
Ditto the mac fan boy thing! Enough of this rivalry crap, life is too short. It's like judging people by the colour or their skin!
Dont Hurt Me said:
Excuse me?
Unique processor. Unique chipset. Unique architecture. Custom video cards with custom firmware. Custom bluetooth and airport. Standard hard drives and RAM. Standard interfaces. Best of both worlds.
It doesn't make sense to redesign memory and hard drives as these are commodity items. However, you cannot make the mobo/cpu a commodity item in Macs because that crushes the whole point of Mac architecture...
aswitcher
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electrolux said:
Actually I wonder of they could keep a lowend dual in play if they could make significant savings on it. What if late summer still had a 2.0, tried and tested, proven to perform, but dirt cheap when compared to the middle and top...and still dual versus the "i" range.
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