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PowerMacs and PowerBooks Delays?

Ge4-ce said:
Personally I think it's a combination of several things:

- 1 - Delivery problems with some parts
- 2 - To much stock of old 2 Ghz Macs
- 3 - Apple wants enough production to keep up with the demands and doesn't want to end up in a situation like last time (angry waiting customers)
- 4 - Waiting for another product to be ready first (New Displays for example) because a lot of people would be pissed If they buy new G5s with old displays and then after a month, the New displays also arrive.
- 5 - OS 10.3.3 must be released first to support the new hardware! making CD's and spread them etc.)
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I agree with you. I don't think there is too much stock of Dual 2 ghz however. The biggest reason is profits. Apple wants to sell as many old machines before cutting the prices. In the mean time they will make much more if they could deliver the product on time. Given the growing economy with a boat load of tax returns, we will see a record sale of PowerMacs come April and May.
 
Huezo--

"I want 128MB for serious gaming during class"

I hope you're either a college student or a law student like me--anything but a med student! 😀

Bob
 
Soire said:
Just as he said they'd be out by the end of February?

The more people blabber about how 3Ghz G5s are coming out any day now, the more likely it seems nothing is going to be released until june, and then we won't get our hands onto them until september. What misery...
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Dates change, specs don't. You'll see... 😉
 
Huezo said:
Those numbers are absolutely crap too. 60C and you're hurting the CPU? Come on! My Athlon MP's are rated to work at up to 95C, so I seriously dont see how 60C is a problem. ....
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Actually he is right and so are the numbers. Athlons are rated to high temps but run best in between 40 to 55 C (55 being rather hot). Esspecially thinking about extra heat that processors get to while running high usage apps and games.

THIS being said, the g5 heat sinks ARE HUGE, and with 90nm chips, should easily be able to be cooled efficiently. Unless Apple goes for the water cooling option, which is very doubtful, at least on this gen powermac. I can see too many issues popping up if Apple went water cooled, tons of complaining customers, plus it is way more expensive.
 
Huezo said:
Those numbers are absolutely crap too. 60C and you're hurting the CPU? Come on! My Athlon MP's are rated to work at up to 95C, so I seriously dont see how 60C is a problem.


Anyway, I'm still waiting for the updated PowerBooks. I really want a 15" PowerBook G4, but I seriously dont want a notebook that is already 7 months old. I dont *need* it right now, so I might as well just wait. The only thing I'd like improved in the 15" PowerBook is the Video Card. The 64MB 9600 is just too weak. I want 128MB for serious gaming during class 😀
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Actually he is right and so are the numbers. Athlons are rated to high temps but run best in between 40 to 55 C (55 being rather hot). Esspecially thinking about extra heat that processors get to while running high usage apps and games.
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Thanks MrSugar, there is no way a CPU would run at 95 degrees C, it would start to melt! Most all computers shut down if the temperature goes from 60 to 70 degrees (changeable in BIOS).

Here are some threads

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=88662 - Guy bitching about 45 load and 25 idle with a 3.2GHZ that uses 95 watts

http://forums.extremeoverclocking.com/showthread.php?t=89720

And alot more if you look around that forum, I am to tired.
 
Rev 2 G5s will have latest ATI offering

At Macworld Expo, a guy, who should know and shall remain nameless, let it slip to me that the Rev 2 G5 was in the works and it would sport the 256 MB ATI video card. The only thing he didn't know was when we would see it. I'm hoping it's soon so I can run the retail version of UT2K4 on my brand new G5. I've been waiting since the Expo to make the biggest Mac purchase of my life. I'm going to get a dual G5/X.X MHz with everything on it! Whoo hoo!
 
Naimfan said:
Huezo--

"I want 128MB for serious gaming during class"

I hope you're either a college student or a law student like me--anything but a med student! 😀

Bob
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I'm still a High-School Student, lol.
I was planning to play during Government Class anyway. 😀
 
mactarkus said:
At Macworld Expo, a guy, who should know and shall remain nameless, let it slip to me that the Rev 2 G5 was in the works and it would sport the 256 MB ATI video card. The only thing he didn't know was when we would see it. I'm hoping it's soon so I can run the retail version of UT2K4 on my brand new G5. I've been waiting since the Expo to make the biggest Mac purchase of my life. I'm going to get a dual G5/X.X MHz with everything on it! Whoo hoo!
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If you're telling the truth, I like it. My friend thinks that his 3.2 P4 will be able to beat my rev B dual G5 in gaming when the new G5s come out. I intend to destroy him. 😀
 
ZildjianKX said:
Glad I didn't wait for the Rev B G5s... its been nice having a G5 for the past 6 months.
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Of course you wouldn't wait. Six months ago the Rev B G5s weren't even close to coming out. Duh. 😛
 
Let's do some math.

Where is the source for the actual size of the chip? Obviously the chip itself is bigger than 90nm (1/1000 the width of a human hair). So how big is it? If it's half as big as the 130 nm chip, then that's the same surface temperature in proportion to surface area (IBM says the 90nm 970 uses 24.5W at 2GHz. The 130nm 970 uses 51W at 1.8GHz).

So I'm wondering what the surface area difference actually is between the 90 nm and 130 nm chips? Anyone know?
 
dwsolberg said:
Where is the source for the actual size of the chip? Obviously the chip itself is bigger than 90nm (1/1000 the width of a human hair). So how big is it? If it's half as big as the 130 nm chip, then that's the same surface temperature in proportion to surface area (IBM says the 90nm 970 uses 24.5W at 2GHz. The 130nm 970 uses 51W at 1.8GHz).

So I'm wondering what the surface area difference actually is between the 90 nm and 130 nm chips? Anyone know?
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I'll tell you when I pick up my Rev B G5 later this month. 😀
 
To Buy or NOT to Buy?

ultrafiel said:
Ok, so I'm still waiting to buy my G5 tower. I'm all up for models coming out soon though, my birthday is next week, that would be great, although I'm not counting on it.
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WAIT - HANG IN TIGHT - DON'T BUY - WAIT IT OUT - DON'T BUY YET.
As the germans say: anticipation provides the most happines. just wait it out, folks.
 
a17inchFuture said:
macilosh, wy do you act like you know everything? What is this 60 thing?

and if you were anything but faking your knowledge, wouldn't you probably not be a "newbie"? 😕
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Everyone has to join sometime, you know.

~J
 
G5 Powerbook out!

They are out. brand new. And they don't overheat.
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gwuMACaddict said:
i'm sure you won't... where are you gonna put the resiovior for the cool water??

crikey people...
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Behind the LCD? Seriously, if the powerbook was slightly thicker, it could work. The back of the screen could be the radiator.
 
Photorun said:
You and how many others? I know 42 G5 2.0 machines with nary one with a glitch at an illustration design house, I have seven friends with G5s, one used to have this weird intermittant fan chirp but it's gone almost inaudable. I own a G5 1.8 DP, not a single problem, only one odd crash in a few months of use but I use some high end audio stuff that was buggy back on a G4. Sorry to hear you have bad luck, but I wouldn't say it's a blanket statement at all.
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I wasn't making a blanket statement...I was providing a counter example to one. Check the Apple support forums...there are literally hundreds of posts relating to each of the noisy power supply and the BSOD (Black Screen of Death) problems. I'm sure the majority of G5s are perfect...but there's also a decent number of G5 owners out there with lemons too, and unfortunately I have experienced this myself twice over now. I'm not saying that everyone's G5 is broken, I'm just saying that it's not correct to claim that the G5 rollout occurred without a hitch.
 
topicolo said:
Behind the LCD? Seriously, if the powerbook was slightly thicker, it could work. The back of the screen could be the radiator.
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And when something goes wrong it spews steam out of the Apple Logo on the back! 😀
 
Come On Baby Light My Firewire

I agree with inval on this one. I think apple will skip the 2.5 and go on to 3.0 ghz...2.5 being the lowest spec. Steve did say 3 ghz within the year so i think if they announce them at the end of this month, it'll take 2 months to ship them and then they can announce the G5 powerbooks at the WWDC.

My predictions are Dual 3ghz, PCI-Express, 1 TB Hard Drive space, 16 GB Ram Capability (even though you can already do that) and Hypertransport 2.0.
 
silvergunuk said:
My predictions are Dual 3ghz, PCI-Express, 1 TB Hard Drive space, 16 GB Ram Capability (even though you can already do that) and Hypertransport 2.0.
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<troll>And you still won't be able to get any games for it</troll> 🙄
 
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