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PowerMacs NOT (Shipping) at WWDC?
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seamuskrat
macrumors 6502a
Patience....
I think its safe to say the 970 WILL be in Macs soon. If its not at WWDC or announced at WWDC, it will be shortly.
Patience is key. I know I would hate to see Apple release a product that was only 75% complete. We have seen it before, but they need this launce to be near perfect. Also, the sales of current models. They have got to balance the inventory, current sales with availability of new models. Apple is slashing education prices for teachers/students and doing some never-before-seen cuts or institutions, so that is a good sign that the inventory is being flushed. ButWWDC is a software focus conference. Its still possible that no new hardware will be announced at such an event, but will be delayed for another event soon after. Apple has used a trickle approach the past few months, and done something every week or so to remain fresh in the news, and quite successfully at that.
The 970's will come. Neccessity dictates they will come before the middle of July, but maybe not as early as WWDC.
A major market apple needs to get friendly with again is the higher ed arena, and those purchases are usually made in middle to late July and early August (budgets and staff assessment reasons) so, Apple knows it needs to be ready to go by then.
I think its safe to say the 970 WILL be in Macs soon. If its not at WWDC or announced at WWDC, it will be shortly.
Patience is key. I know I would hate to see Apple release a product that was only 75% complete. We have seen it before, but they need this launce to be near perfect. Also, the sales of current models. They have got to balance the inventory, current sales with availability of new models. Apple is slashing education prices for teachers/students and doing some never-before-seen cuts or institutions, so that is a good sign that the inventory is being flushed. ButWWDC is a software focus conference. Its still possible that no new hardware will be announced at such an event, but will be delayed for another event soon after. Apple has used a trickle approach the past few months, and done something every week or so to remain fresh in the news, and quite successfully at that.
The 970's will come. Neccessity dictates they will come before the middle of July, but maybe not as early as WWDC.
A major market apple needs to get friendly with again is the higher ed arena, and those purchases are usually made in middle to late July and early August (budgets and staff assessment reasons) so, Apple knows it needs to be ready to go by then.
dudes,
it is pretty f***g simple. Rumor or no rumor, the reality is that Apple is so far behing, and has zero growth virtually everywhere (not the iPod I believe) so if things have to turn around WWDC is already too late anyway to introduce something that makes sense in the year 2001 (not hoping anything significant that would be "current", i.e. 2003). SJ knows that certainly a lot better than me and you. This was the year of the laptop ? was he referring to the 17" ? ahahahah. Ok, we do have another 6 months to go.
it is pretty f***g simple. Rumor or no rumor, the reality is that Apple is so far behing, and has zero growth virtually everywhere (not the iPod I believe) so if things have to turn around WWDC is already too late anyway to introduce something that makes sense in the year 2001 (not hoping anything significant that would be "current", i.e. 2003). SJ knows that certainly a lot better than me and you. This was the year of the laptop ? was he referring to the 17" ? ahahahah. Ok, we do have another 6 months to go.
Yeah, but it's an obvious Photoshop fake!
🙂
(yes, got the same sitting in my mailbox this morning ... If Steve says its gonna be worth while ... 🙂 )
If redesigned 970 Macs of any sort make their debut (or are announced) at WWDC, I wonder if the Apple site will run dramatic "teasers," like before the flat-panel iMac debut at MWSF. Those teasers began running (I think) 7 days before MWSF.
I would think that if half the crap that might happen at WWDC does happen, we might see some strong teasers.
Stay tuned to apple.com around June 14, I guess.
I would think that if half the crap that might happen at WWDC does happen, we might see some strong teasers.
Stay tuned to apple.com around June 14, I guess.
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
That's not actually the case for a lot of people here. And, in this situation, it's not just about us, it's about Apple's future.
In my case, I have a year old iMac. I'm happy with it. What I'm not happy about is the fact that the only laptop I have access to is a Powerbook 165 from 1993. I'm not waiting on Powermac updates, I'm waiting for Powerbooks or (preferably, since they're cheaper) iBooks to be updated.
That said, I feel no sympathy for anyone in this forum who bought a G4 Tower four months ago. 😉
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
Teasers would be great! It would get us even more excited and put the press in a buzz.
If we do see teasers, I think we could consider it confirmation that we'll see at least Powermacs, if not also Powerbooks.
BTW, seven days before WWDC would be the 16th.
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
Considering the reaction to these "rumblings," I wouldn't want to see people start stock-piling bottled water and black turtlenecks preparing for some disaster if they don't see teasers.
But weren't the flat-panel iMacs unavailable on the day they were announced at MWSF? They still got teasers ...
Anyway, I don't know. I'm just hoping. I'd love to see a "BIG NEWS COMING" teaser on apple.com.
Isn't it slightly odd that WWDC isn't even mentioned on the main apple.com page? That's not a good sign.
dongmin
macrumors 68000
How's that saying go, 'Expect the worst, hope for the best'?
If you were to put the level of pre-Expo hype on a scale of 5 to 1, 5 being the most optimistic and 1 being the most pessimistic, Apple usually delivers at around 2.3 in my experience. So:
5 - most optimistic
970-powered Power Macs at speeds up to 2.3 ghz and 970-powered Powerbooks at up to 1.3 ghz. All models shipping.
4 - optimistic
970-PMs at speeds of up to dual 1.8 ghz. G4 Powerbooks at speeds up to 1.3 ghz (mpc7457). All models shipping, except for the high-end PM.
3 - even
970-PMs demoed. Apple starts taking orders but delays shipping: 1.4 ghz model in 4 weeks, 1.8 ghz in 6 weeks, and dual 1.6 ghz in 8 weeks. PBs stuck at 1 ghz G4; 15" specs are updated to come in parity with the 17"; 12" goes up to 1 ghz.
2 - pessimistic
No public word of 970-PMs. Only the select select developers get to see demos under heavy embargo. Low-key discussions of 64-bit OS X.
1 - most pessimistic
Apple releases a round of G4 PMs, with speeds up to dual 1.6 ghz. No 970-PMs in sight. No discussion of 64-bit. Riots ensue.
My bet is for somewhere around 2.8. I'll be one happy cat if we go past 3.0, and I'll write in Steve Jobs for President (Al Gore for VP?) if we get to 4.0
If you were to put the level of pre-Expo hype on a scale of 5 to 1, 5 being the most optimistic and 1 being the most pessimistic, Apple usually delivers at around 2.3 in my experience. So:
5 - most optimistic
970-powered Power Macs at speeds up to 2.3 ghz and 970-powered Powerbooks at up to 1.3 ghz. All models shipping.
4 - optimistic
970-PMs at speeds of up to dual 1.8 ghz. G4 Powerbooks at speeds up to 1.3 ghz (mpc7457). All models shipping, except for the high-end PM.
3 - even
970-PMs demoed. Apple starts taking orders but delays shipping: 1.4 ghz model in 4 weeks, 1.8 ghz in 6 weeks, and dual 1.6 ghz in 8 weeks. PBs stuck at 1 ghz G4; 15" specs are updated to come in parity with the 17"; 12" goes up to 1 ghz.
2 - pessimistic
No public word of 970-PMs. Only the select select developers get to see demos under heavy embargo. Low-key discussions of 64-bit OS X.
1 - most pessimistic
Apple releases a round of G4 PMs, with speeds up to dual 1.6 ghz. No 970-PMs in sight. No discussion of 64-bit. Riots ensue.
My bet is for somewhere around 2.8. I'll be one happy cat if we go past 3.0, and I'll write in Steve Jobs for President (Al Gore for VP?) if we get to 4.0
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
I don't think it's a sign one way or the other. Right now Apple's got a lot of recently updated software and price drops to showcase on the front page. The WWDC will take center stage next week.
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
No offense, but I didn't like your chart very much, so I made my own (good idea, though).
5 - Most Optimistic:
PowerPC 970 Teleportation Device Announced in both Powermac and Powerbook form.
Steve Says: "Energize!"
4 - Optimistic:
Powermac 970 actually ships that day! It sports at least one dual processor model. Powerbooks also go 970, ship soon. Something else is updated as a surprise.
Steve Says: "970's for everyone!"
3 - Middle:
Powermac 970 announced. Dual processors? Maybe. Powerbook updated (3.5 = Powerbook 970; 2.5 = Powerbook G4).
Steve Says: "I'm being neutral."
2 - Pessimistic:
Powermac 970 mentioned. Maybe. Steve sits in a chair for an hour rambling about the Megahertz Myth.
Steve Says: "What? You were expecting something worth the effort of coming?"
1 - Ultra-super-Pessimistic:
Powermac G4s continue. Steve sits in a chair for an hour-and-a-half rambling about the Megahertz Myth.
Steve Says: "I'm Motorola's bitch!"
I'd say I'm a 3.5. 😉
Sun Baked
macrumors G5
If there is no PPC 970 at WWDC and it'll be a few months for Apple to announce and release new machine in time for the 64-bit Christmas buying season.
Steve could very well be speed bumping the machines with the 7457s or the next batch of Rev 3.3 7455s.
To let the machines stagnate another few months when faster machines can/could be released is quite sad, though the Motorola/AMD partnership did turn quite ugly at the end.
Steve could very well be speed bumping the machines with the 7457s or the next batch of Rev 3.3 7455s.
To let the machines stagnate another few months when faster machines can/could be released is quite sad, though the Motorola/AMD partnership did turn quite ugly at the end.
Frobozz
macrumors 65816
Re: No worries...
VERY good point. It's really not a matter of when they ship it, as long as it's between June 23rd and in Sept. when they ship Panther. Not shipping at all, or after Sept., would be devastating.
I'm not in the market for a new desktop right now, as my dual 1 Ghz Quicksilver is plenty fast for the majority of things I do... with the exception of 3D modeling... you can always use more horespower to render HDSI, Caustics, etc. My brother could also use the horsepower for his video projects.
VERY good point. It's really not a matter of when they ship it, as long as it's between June 23rd and in Sept. when they ship Panther. Not shipping at all, or after Sept., would be devastating.
I'm not in the market for a new desktop right now, as my dual 1 Ghz Quicksilver is plenty fast for the majority of things I do... with the exception of 3D modeling... you can always use more horespower to render HDSI, Caustics, etc. My brother could also use the horsepower for his video projects.
I was at the bar too, but was more sober than the guy who was eavesdropping, Steve will indeed present the new G5 at WWDC, casing only.🙂
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
If Steve's sending all the members of the ADC emails that say "It'll be worth it", I think we can rest assured there's something great in store for us.
Yeh, icons will show up instantly in the Finder, QE will be 20% faster in Panther and overall the system will be 8% faster. Who needs new hardware?
Abstract
macrumors Penryn
Originally posted by mania
Well, I got this from Steve. He says it will be worth it.
I don't see why you lot are so disappointed. He'll probably preview Panther at WWDC on a 970. They may not be ready to sell it retail, but this does NOT mean that a PM with 970 chip does not exist. They probably don't have the volume to sell it yet, and may choose to sell it in 2 months time or so. As long as I get to see the 970 PM, I'll be happy to know that there is a bright future ahead. If a new 970 ISN'T previewed, then I'll be disappointed. Otherwise, I'm happy. 🙂
eric_n_dfw
macrumors 68000
completely off topic
And now for something completely different...
Everyone should go to the link in Abstract's sig' - a friend showed it to me a few months ago and it rocks! (BTW, Steve Jobs is a ninja, so watch out! 😀 )
And now for something completely different...
Everyone should go to the link in Abstract's sig' - a friend showed it to me a few months ago and it rocks! (BTW, Steve Jobs is a ninja, so watch out! 😀 )