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PowerMacs NOT (Shipping) at WWDC?
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Here's the full quote:
Remember that they just tempered their own "rumblings" with the fact that they're not sure that these claims are accurate. So don't run around complaining about an uneventful WWDC too soon.
And also temper it with what we know: Apple handed out multiple cease-and-desist messages specifically relating to the 970 being at WWDC. That AppleInsider's own article (or eWeek's) wasn't shut down is baffling, but the fact remains that Apple Legal thought that this hit a little too close to home.
Remember that they just tempered their own "rumblings" with the fact that they're not sure that these claims are accurate. So don't run around complaining about an uneventful WWDC too soon.
And also temper it with what we know: Apple handed out multiple cease-and-desist messages specifically relating to the 970 being at WWDC. That AppleInsider's own article (or eWeek's) wasn't shut down is baffling, but the fact remains that Apple Legal thought that this hit a little too close to home.
You are focusing far too much on what AppleTurns said.
AppleTurns' quote was only a vehicle to post this story. AppleTurns' opinion is incidental to the purpose/direction of this article.
Let me be clearer:
Reliable rumors have suggested that PowerMacs will not be done by WWDC. Whether that means announced/not shipping - who knows. Read This
eWeek says that Smeagol is not going to be done for a month or so after WWDC. It is implied that Smeagol is required to boot the 970's. eWeek is a more reliable source than MacBidouille or MacWhispers.
You can analyse the validity of AppleTurns' quote as much as you'd like... but you're missing the big picture.
arn
pyrotoaster
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I see your point arn, but that doesn't change the fact that "rumblings" is still best word to describe this with. Every rumor has rumblings.
All we're looking at are rumors that the Powermac 970 rumor might wrong. I still see more than enough to convince me that Steve will walk out and at least announce the Powermac 970 (not to mention Powerbooks... 😉 ).
cb911
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why is everyone worried that some site is saying "oh wait, we've got the faintest rumblings that the 970 won't be at WWDC".
there have been far more rumors from sites that are very confident that there will be 970 PowerMacs and 15.4" 970 PowerBooks, and i'm beleiving them until WWDC.
there have been far more rumors from sites that are very confident that there will be 970 PowerMacs and 15.4" 970 PowerBooks, and i'm beleiving them until WWDC.
pyrotoaster
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I didn't catch this part before my last post. I still see your point arn. But if Smeagol (hilarious name once you understand the reference) is ready a month after WWDC, Steve could still announce the Powermac 970 at the keynote. The pre-orders would still be a boost to Powermac sales.
pyrotoaster
macrumors 65816
That's the right attitude. If we start second-guessing ourselves and sink into confusion now, Apple Legal will have won! We can't let that happen. 😛
Generally pre-announcing major a hardware change is a bad thing to do. Everyone stops buying your current hardware, waiting until the new hardware ships. A year or two ago this happened to Palm. This also happened to the Osborn, and I think that is what helped kill the company. Apple doesn't even announce speed bumps until they are pretty much ready to go. This has lead to the inference approach by fans and rumor sites: everyone asks around to see what inventory levels are like. Low to no inventory at a large number of places indicates new models are on their way.
Pre-announcing software is easy, because as long as you promise a free upgrade, people generally keep buying today's product. This is why Apple can pre-announce Panther but not the 970.
Still possible... but if this report is true (PowerMacs not ready), then it's like a domino... cause it invalidates a number of other sites' rumors...
MacWhispers claims that production machines are being built. MacBid may have as well. If they are not being built... then that makes the rest of their claims potentially bogus.
anyway.... just some thoughts. I think more details will emerge over the next week or so, but I'd encourage everyone to not put all hope into any one particular rumor.
arn
pyrotoaster
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I'll play into your point a bit arn.
Didn't MacBidouille claim to have the same source as AppleInsider...?
You have to admit that its getting to a point where there are so many sites predicting PowerPC 970s that it would be very unlikely that they're all wrong.
From That AtAT Guy
Holy cats, it's like a school of pirahnas on crystal meth in here! But I mean that in a good way. 😉
Okay, I know other people posted the fuller quote in context, but I'm going to do it again:
Key phrases to note are "faintest rumblings" and "not putting a whole lot of stock in." Who knew that a quick side note expressing certain third-hand parties' skepticism would send scores of distraught Mac fans leaping to their deaths?
This is getting so out of hand I may have to re-address this issue tomorrow. But the bottom line is that all I said is that some other people don't think the 970 will be ready to introduce, and that I didn't exactly believe them.
Personally, the way things are looking, I expect Panther to be demoed on a pre-production G5, but I'm thinking they probably won't be available for another month or so. Note that none of this is really based on anything more than what all of you have already seen a dozen times over. (Well, not much more. 😉 )
So relax. When I said "faintest rumblings," I meant "faintest rumblings"; some people do in fact choose not to let their enthusiasm get too out of hand just in case of disappointment, and I thought they might like to hear that some people are casting doubt on a 970 intro. In my own personal opinion, whether the G5 appears or not, people are probably getting their hopes up way higher than is generally healthy. Remember what happened with the summer Expo of 2001 when everyone was expecting LCD iMacs? Man, that was an ugly scene...
Anyway, hope that clears things up a little. Thanx for your time...
Holy cats, it's like a school of pirahnas on crystal meth in here! But I mean that in a good way. 😉
Okay, I know other people posted the fuller quote in context, but I'm going to do it again:
Key phrases to note are "faintest rumblings" and "not putting a whole lot of stock in." Who knew that a quick side note expressing certain third-hand parties' skepticism would send scores of distraught Mac fans leaping to their deaths?
This is getting so out of hand I may have to re-address this issue tomorrow. But the bottom line is that all I said is that some other people don't think the 970 will be ready to introduce, and that I didn't exactly believe them.
Personally, the way things are looking, I expect Panther to be demoed on a pre-production G5, but I'm thinking they probably won't be available for another month or so. Note that none of this is really based on anything more than what all of you have already seen a dozen times over. (Well, not much more. 😉 )
So relax. When I said "faintest rumblings," I meant "faintest rumblings"; some people do in fact choose not to let their enthusiasm get too out of hand just in case of disappointment, and I thought they might like to hear that some people are casting doubt on a 970 intro. In my own personal opinion, whether the G5 appears or not, people are probably getting their hopes up way higher than is generally healthy. Remember what happened with the summer Expo of 2001 when everyone was expecting LCD iMacs? Man, that was an ugly scene...
Anyway, hope that clears things up a little. Thanx for your time...
I wonder what the Panther development team feels like. Apple has been touting Panther as the showcase item for WWDC, but no one is talking about it. The tension leading up to and during the keynote will be palpable, and if the 970 is not announced everyone will be crushed. It won't matter how incredible Panther might be otherwise.
A few have mentioned that Panther will be similar to Microsoft's next operating system (Longhorn?), but it will be released a year and a half or more ahead of Microsoft's. Lets hear some good Panther rumors!
Wonder Boy
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Re: From That AtAT Guy
You aren't kidding. I think the only product with a similar level of anticipation was the release of Windows 95. I remember people waiting in line at midnight and rushing the display as soon as they could.
I think I better leave the hotel early in order to get a seat at the keynote.
In any case, I think the buzz-tension-anticipation might say something about the general feelings towards the current PowerMac line.
BTW, I have had a 64-bit processor in my home for close to 7 years now, and the rush for that DEC alpha was nothing compared to this. 😉
You aren't kidding. I think the only product with a similar level of anticipation was the release of Windows 95. I remember people waiting in line at midnight and rushing the display as soon as they could.
I think I better leave the hotel early in order to get a seat at the keynote.
In any case, I think the buzz-tension-anticipation might say something about the general feelings towards the current PowerMac line.
BTW, I have had a 64-bit processor in my home for close to 7 years now, and the rush for that DEC alpha was nothing compared to this. 😉
gwuMACaddict
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Re: From That AtAT Guy
c'mon... you know us better than that. of COURSE that kind of news would send us hurling ourselves over ledges 😉
c'mon... you know us better than that. of COURSE that kind of news would send us hurling ourselves over ledges 😉
tazznb
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YUUUUU CANNOT IGNORE ME FOREVER!
I feel as VIOLATED as you, but when it all comes down to it the only thing Apple guaranteed / promised us is a preview of Panther, and a few other indesclosed items. 🙁
Ad-libbing is fun though!
Did anyone hear about the 8 processor X-serve they'll be presenting?
I feel as VIOLATED as you, but when it all comes down to it the only thing Apple guaranteed / promised us is a preview of Panther, and a few other indesclosed items. 🙁
Ad-libbing is fun though!
Did anyone hear about the 8 processor X-serve they'll be presenting?
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Thanks for the clarification. This is also what I think is most probable; it's the most consistent with the available information.
Thanks for the clarification. This is also what I think is most probable; it's the most consistent with the available information.
Re: Re: From That AtAT Guy
No worries, arn-- I certainly didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong. I just wanted to make sure that people understood that what I had said wasn't an official Prediction of Doom. 😀
No worries, arn-- I certainly didn't mean to imply that you had done anything wrong. I just wanted to make sure that people understood that what I had said wasn't an official Prediction of Doom. 😀
XnavxeMiyyep
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You're absolutely right. A lot of us will benifit more from Panther than the 970 anyway, as we will more likely be able to afford to buy Panther than a new 970 Powermac(me included).
seamuskrat
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Apply Logic to the Situation
Lets look at this from an empiracle method.
FACTS.
1. 10.3 will be PREVIEWED at WWCD
2. The G4 is killing Apple in its curent performance
3. The Powerbook 15 does not seem to 'fit' the line up of laptops, and is experiencing a longer than typical time between refreshes.
4. I.B.M. is making 970's with vector units compatibl with Altivec- and Apple only technology.
5. The 970 is IN production at some speeds.
6. Upgrade manufactureds have access to 1.42 G4 chips
RUMORS:
1. The 970 will be in a Mac.
2. The WWDC will show a demo of the G5/970
3. 10.3 will ship early
4. G5 systems will ship by July
5. Powerbook 15 will have a 970.
(there are many others too)
ANALYSIS
Its a safe bet that the I.B.M. 970 WILL be in an Apple machine. Although not directly confimed by apple, the mainstream press has picked up on this. There are some strong indicators that Apple and I.B.M. have a financial arrangement for chips, and the vector unit seems to point towards this as well. We know the G4 in its current incarnation is maxed out. The fact that Sonnet and other upgrade makers have announced products based on this menas that either 1) Apple doe snot need them anymore and the suply has loosened. 20 Moto has managed to do something right and produce MORE of something. I suspect the former. The kicker is WHEN will the IBM 970 be in a Mac?
Will Steve show a demo of the G5 at WWDC? Gut feeling is maybe. Why maybe? It is very obvious that if you show a G5 and it rocks, then all G4 sales are virtually null and void. If they have managed to tweak the system, and get this to run, and the machine blows us away, no one is going to buy a G4 except at fire sale prices, which does not help Apple. Worse still, if they show a G5 that is less than optimized, and it sucks ass (i.e. not at least 45% to 75% faster than the same clocked G4) they deflate any momentum and enrgy that would have been gained by the demo. The evidence/rumors point us to the stark reality that 10.2.7 may be 20 to 30 days off still. Further still, it has been suggested that the 970 won't come into its own until 10.3 So, if you were Steve, would you demo a half-assed product? Take a few more weeks to ship and have initil real world tests be less than spectaular? Or demo a machine that will kill current sales and ship into next fiscal quarter? Neither are appealing. I suspect unless the engineers burn some midnight oil and plow though a few cases of RedBull, we won't see/hear much about the G5.
Will 10.3 be ready at WWDC? Well, it going to be pretty damn polished and good for developer types. Hence the delay. But will it be driver tested and user friendly and 'not kill your system' proof? Probably not. It makes little sense to delay WWDC, and then release finished software to please the masses. I think we will see 10.3 before Halloween, but it won't be mainstream just yet. The powerbooks. Like I said, I doubt we will see new hadware at WWDC fo r the reasons above. But I feel all signs point to an initial release of both laptop and desktop units. Humor me on this one: Year of the powerbook. Steve releases the 12 and 17 to great fanfare. Uses a bunch of old or optioned G4 chips and sells some units to make the books look nice. It distracts us momentarily that the desktop line is getting spanked. The 15 is still plugging away with a 1 gig G4 looking pretty damn good for a laptop. 3 months pass. No new powerbook 15. But Apple has forced users to migrate to the two newer models, and 'used' up existing committment of G4 chips. Now, we approach an inroads. I think from technical approaches, we can get a 970 in a laptop. It would be awkward to have the 12 and 17 lag behind the 15 as the sole 970. And it would be awkward to boost the g4 in the 15 and replace it months later. All signs point to the sacrifice of 15 sales, clear the channels, get the initial flurry of sales from the 12 and 17, use up the remaining G4s and have a Year of the Powerbook Orgy with the release of an ALL 970 lineup later this summer.
As always the week leading up to an Apple event are filled with chatter, and ramblings. Some legit, most bogus. In the next week, many sources that play it close to the vest will come forward with info 72 to 48 hours before, knowing the cat is out of the bag soon enough. So in a few more days we will have more concrete rumors- Am I right Arn?
But bear in mind Apple is in a bind. A big one. They know the G4 is DOA for pro machines. They know they need more than just iChat 2, and iTMS to make it pay for Wallstreet.I suspect they have made a big end run gamble, and will do an entire pro-line up 970 summer spectacular knowings its this all or nothng approach and home that speed bumped G4 or enhanced G3+ will smooth over the sales glut with iMac, and iBook sales.
What I think is uniqe, is all this focus on gardware, no one is looking at the software side. I think we will be sad to se eno new hardware, but we will be blown away with some software newness that is being ignored in our frenzy for the G5.
Stay tuned 🙂
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Lets look at this from an empiracle method.
FACTS.
1. 10.3 will be PREVIEWED at WWCD
2. The G4 is killing Apple in its curent performance
3. The Powerbook 15 does not seem to 'fit' the line up of laptops, and is experiencing a longer than typical time between refreshes.
4. I.B.M. is making 970's with vector units compatibl with Altivec- and Apple only technology.
5. The 970 is IN production at some speeds.
6. Upgrade manufactureds have access to 1.42 G4 chips
RUMORS:
1. The 970 will be in a Mac.
2. The WWDC will show a demo of the G5/970
3. 10.3 will ship early
4. G5 systems will ship by July
5. Powerbook 15 will have a 970.
(there are many others too)
ANALYSIS
Its a safe bet that the I.B.M. 970 WILL be in an Apple machine. Although not directly confimed by apple, the mainstream press has picked up on this. There are some strong indicators that Apple and I.B.M. have a financial arrangement for chips, and the vector unit seems to point towards this as well. We know the G4 in its current incarnation is maxed out. The fact that Sonnet and other upgrade makers have announced products based on this menas that either 1) Apple doe snot need them anymore and the suply has loosened. 20 Moto has managed to do something right and produce MORE of something. I suspect the former. The kicker is WHEN will the IBM 970 be in a Mac?
Will Steve show a demo of the G5 at WWDC? Gut feeling is maybe. Why maybe? It is very obvious that if you show a G5 and it rocks, then all G4 sales are virtually null and void. If they have managed to tweak the system, and get this to run, and the machine blows us away, no one is going to buy a G4 except at fire sale prices, which does not help Apple. Worse still, if they show a G5 that is less than optimized, and it sucks ass (i.e. not at least 45% to 75% faster than the same clocked G4) they deflate any momentum and enrgy that would have been gained by the demo. The evidence/rumors point us to the stark reality that 10.2.7 may be 20 to 30 days off still. Further still, it has been suggested that the 970 won't come into its own until 10.3 So, if you were Steve, would you demo a half-assed product? Take a few more weeks to ship and have initil real world tests be less than spectaular? Or demo a machine that will kill current sales and ship into next fiscal quarter? Neither are appealing. I suspect unless the engineers burn some midnight oil and plow though a few cases of RedBull, we won't see/hear much about the G5.
Will 10.3 be ready at WWDC? Well, it going to be pretty damn polished and good for developer types. Hence the delay. But will it be driver tested and user friendly and 'not kill your system' proof? Probably not. It makes little sense to delay WWDC, and then release finished software to please the masses. I think we will see 10.3 before Halloween, but it won't be mainstream just yet. The powerbooks. Like I said, I doubt we will see new hadware at WWDC fo r the reasons above. But I feel all signs point to an initial release of both laptop and desktop units. Humor me on this one: Year of the powerbook. Steve releases the 12 and 17 to great fanfare. Uses a bunch of old or optioned G4 chips and sells some units to make the books look nice. It distracts us momentarily that the desktop line is getting spanked. The 15 is still plugging away with a 1 gig G4 looking pretty damn good for a laptop. 3 months pass. No new powerbook 15. But Apple has forced users to migrate to the two newer models, and 'used' up existing committment of G4 chips. Now, we approach an inroads. I think from technical approaches, we can get a 970 in a laptop. It would be awkward to have the 12 and 17 lag behind the 15 as the sole 970. And it would be awkward to boost the g4 in the 15 and replace it months later. All signs point to the sacrifice of 15 sales, clear the channels, get the initial flurry of sales from the 12 and 17, use up the remaining G4s and have a Year of the Powerbook Orgy with the release of an ALL 970 lineup later this summer.
As always the week leading up to an Apple event are filled with chatter, and ramblings. Some legit, most bogus. In the next week, many sources that play it close to the vest will come forward with info 72 to 48 hours before, knowing the cat is out of the bag soon enough. So in a few more days we will have more concrete rumors- Am I right Arn?
But bear in mind Apple is in a bind. A big one. They know the G4 is DOA for pro machines. They know they need more than just iChat 2, and iTMS to make it pay for Wallstreet.I suspect they have made a big end run gamble, and will do an entire pro-line up 970 summer spectacular knowings its this all or nothng approach and home that speed bumped G4 or enhanced G3+ will smooth over the sales glut with iMac, and iBook sales.
What I think is uniqe, is all this focus on gardware, no one is looking at the software side. I think we will be sad to se eno new hardware, but we will be blown away with some software newness that is being ignored in our frenzy for the G5.
Stay tuned 🙂
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