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How does "Just avoid holding it in that way" (actual quote) get altered into "you're holding it wrong" ? (misquote)

Ever played the child's game "post office"?

CNN: Apple on iPhone complaints: You're holding it wrong

A search for 'iphone "you're holding it wrong"' gets 1.6 million hits...

Don't blame Aiden for the popular misquote.


wasn't that conversation doctored?

No, the Boy Genius story proved to be fabricated.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/957803/
 
If the apologists wouldn't keep chiming in:

Really? I think the problem is stated in your title, "The problem with fanboys is..."

Stupid labelling intended to put you in one camp and people you disagree with in another. It's a stupid and offensive label that has no meaningful place in a discussion regarding an issue with a product.

To keep this on topic, "PR Experts Suggest..." - is there a bigger group than celebrities (of which these people most certainly aren't) who would like some attention? "Inevitable" - what a ridiculous statement, promoted by those who want advertising.

Hey, sensationalism is live and well in the world. What a great place to live!
 
Please tell me that's not a special device for wedging an original iPhone on your shoulder?

It is....

http://blog.slashboing.com/bk/2010/01/26/iphone-shoulder-rest/

iPhoneShoulderRest1.jpg
 
Ever played the child's game "post office"?

CNN: Apple on iPhone complaints: You're holding it wrong

A search for 'iphone "you're holding it wrong"' gets 1.6 million hits...

Don't blame Aiden for the popular misquote.

The quotation, from the link you posted:

"Just avoid holding it in that way," Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrote in an e-mail that was making the rounds on the Web on Friday morning.


Steve Jobs never stated the phrase that you mis-quoted.
 
Well, err, actually this would be the intelligent way to deal with the behaviour of the phone. Maybe CR could also offer some insight on their phone.

I personally think, that something went wrong in the manufacturing line. And I definitely think, that the issue only affects a miniscule amount of phones.

For all of you people shouting "My phone drops calls" - we'll start talking, when you've grown to a fraction of 5,000 people. As a matter of fact there are currently more than 5 million iPhone 4 in the wild, I guess.

So basically this is a totally overblown problem where several people share the interest to hurt Apple.

But from what I understand of this problem and my own experience, this could be a latent defect that may effect thousands of people who currently don't even know they've got a problem. A colleague of mine bought an iPhone 4 at the same time as me and has since taken great pleasure in mocking my reception issues when his has been unaffected. Until he went to work away this week and he is now suffering the same problem.

Until someone works out what the actual problem is that at least some people are suffering, it isn't possible to say how widespread the problem potentially is based just on people's experience to date.
 
The way it's looking to me as an objective unbiased person, this issues affects at most 10K users which means that the whole thing will just blow over and alot of people(tech journalists) are gonna get their day of reckoning. Steve Jobs has a LONG memory of who back-stabs. :apple:
 
It's a stupid and offensive label that has no meaningful place in a discussion regarding an issue with a product.

That's the point, its stupid and offensive:

To tell people that since they don't have a problem you must not either.
To tell people they should just not hold their phone normally.
To tell customers they should just return their phone to make the problem appear to have gone away.
To tell customers with phones that don't work properly in several different ways that they don't have a right to complain about it and expect resolution from the manufacturer.
And dozens of other things.

They ARE the fanboys, they are the ones living in a RDF. The problems are real, the issues are real, and people pretending they aren't for anyone other then themselves or that everyone 'just' has to follow their solution are just deluded fanboys.
 
The quotation, from the link you posted:

"Just avoid holding it in that way," Apple CEO Steve Jobs wrote in an e-mail that was making the rounds on the Web on Friday morning.

Steve Jobs never stated the phrase that you mis-quoted.

Puh-lease.

Did you not notice that the CNN headline was "You're holding it wrong"?

It's actually not a misquote as much as a paraphrasing of Jobs' comment.
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But - do you also suspect that Apple's lawyers closed down Jobs' email access?
 
Bottom line is that the Apple fanatics I know will take Apple and their occasional *******-ups over the rest of the industry's inherent poorly designed products. That is a fact. :apple:
 
Look, my iPhone 4 is a great phone. Since I use a case, this really is a non- issue, for me. However, without a case this is a real issue. Obviously, it's not only a software issue (if that?) but a hardware issue, as well.

Since they remind people that they can return the phone for a full refund (no restocking fee?), they are, probably, covered legally. Unfortunately, this really could be a PR DISASTER!

I posted this 11 days ago. Whether fanbois want to admit it or not, this is serious. Also, Jobs' arrogant responses are only exacerbating the problem.

Fandroids are loving it. This could be where the droids gain a better foothold.

Another, potentially bigger, problem is the proximity sensor issue. On my iphone it has become an issue.

Now, Apple is a consumer electronics company trying to get the masses on board. Even though many Apple fans are willing to overlook issues, many iPhone fans, but not necessarily Apple fans, will not.

To many, Consumer Reports has a lot of credibility. It will be interesting to see how this unravels.
 
The way it's looking to me as an objective unbiased person, this issues affects at most 10K users which means that the whole thing will just blow over and alot of people(tech journalists) are gonna get their day of reckoning. Steve Jobs has a LONG memory of who back-stabs. :apple:

Ooooh I love this idea. Steve is just going to black ball those losers that are piling on. Probably every one of them. He is probably checking every forum as we speak making a list.

Steve won't be made the fool, look what has happened to Adobe because they wouldn't initially port PHotoshop to Intel-Mac. Nobody wants to be on that side of the whooping stick.
 
Bottom line is that the Apple fanatics I know will take Apple and their occasional *******-ups over the rest of the industry's inherent poorly designed products. That is a fact. :apple:
That's just it though - it's becoming less an "occasional ****-up", and more a "regular part of being an Apple consumer".

Heard about how the white unibody enclosures for the MacBooks pretty much are guaranteed to crack at some point during their life time, no matter how lightly you rest your wrist on it?

Heard about the screen issues that the iMacs suffered through last fall with the yellow tinting?

The iPod battery issues a few years ago that affected a couple generations of iPods, where the battery was essentially guaranteed not to last beyond, what, 18 months?

The overheating issues that the G5 PowerMacs had, the G4 Cube cracking issues, PowerBook battery issues, PowerBook heat issues, MacBook Pro heat issues, the list goes on and on.

People around here, who obviously haven't been Apple fans for long enough, think people are being dramatic or serious when others say "Never buy a first-generation Apple product and expect no issues", but it's still very much a fact of life.

Yes, Apple does have fairly superb customer support, but it's pretty ridiculous that they suffer through so many quality assurance issues for newly-released products. But people let them off for it time and time again, because they want that shiny Apple logo on their product.
 
The hyperbole is that the phone doesn't work when held. This is completely false. There is literally a 2mm section of the antenna you cannot touch.
And therein lies the rub. The question isn't whether you can alleviate the issue by changing the grip, but whether this is reasonable.

In my 41 years I've used something like a hundred or so phones regularly, from old-school pulse dial Ericophones in the 70's via mobile NMT bricks in the early 90's to the iPhone 3G. Try as I might, I can't think of one that came with restrictions on where to touch it. I don't think anyone is asking for a phone that works literally no matter how you hold it (upside down, to the back of your head, under water, in your mouth etc), but I think they have the right to expect that as long as you stay within the realm of reasonable ways to hold a phone (right hand, left hand, whatever) there should be no manner of holding it that results in dropped calls.

Most importantly, I think the heart of the issue is that an end user shouldn't have to know how a cellphone works from a technical standpoint. We're all tech geeks here on MR and we talk about antennas and attenuation like it was common knowledge, but this is supposed to be a phone for everyone, and you know perfectly well how clueless most people are about these things and how you need to babysit them through life (McDonalds coffee burn lawsuit, anyone?) The average iPhone user wouldn't even know where to look for the cause of the dropped calls. They'd try stuff like pacing around the house and standing in windows to get good signal, heck, they'd try voodoo before it would occur to them that it's their damn hand killing the signal (talk about last place anyone would look). This is a design quirk you can't track down intuitively without at least some rudimentary knowledge of cellphone technology and electricity. You can't leave stuff like that up to soccer moms, schoolgirls and grandpas to figure out through trial and error, but if you insist on doing it anyway, then you should write it on a big red effing all-caps sticker attached to the phone, and THAT is Apple's real failure here. That's even worse than the design quirk itself. They didn't inform anyone about it, they tried to sneak it under the radar. This issue wouldn't have gained half the traction it has if Apple had been upfront about it from the get go, but they weren't and that's the main reason why people are upset. The reception issue is bad, but the deception issue is the true reason why it snowballed.
 
Ummm... no. Let's be realistic here.

1) The issue is not going to affect 90-93% of consumers significantly, because right-handed people are not going to instinctually hold the phone in the problematic way.

2) Even for lefties, the problem is only going to occur in places where signal strength is weak. The problem is a drop in signal strength, not a complete loss of signal.

3) Again, even for lefties, the problem occurs for one of several comfortable ways to hold the phone. That is to say, there's a really easy work-around.

Yes. The signal loss is a problem. But have some perspective - it's not product-breaking problem.

I'm right handed, and by nature my fingers cover this spot and I drop signal. I don't know where this left-handed stat comes from but it's flat-out wrong. Unless you have little kid hands, you're going to cover this spot holding naturally. It doesn't need to be the palm of your hand covering this in order for it to happen, one finger touching will do the trick.

You should NEVER have to avoid holding a phone in any natural manner in order for it to work. The phone was designed to be held like this, and their design is flawed. The holding surface on this device is extremely limited, and unnatural if avoiding a whole corner. I suspect you don't use an iPhone 4, or if you do you must not be handling any lengthy business calls. If you did, like many of us who actually use it as a real phone, and not a status symbol, you'd have an issue too.
 
Consumer report iphone 4 testing flawed

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/966881/

From another someone who hasn't done any testing at all. As usual those that don't do become critics of those that do.

Common sense people - a single finger causes the massive signal strength drop - whether that would be slightly different with a different stand, with the signal generator outside the room is most likely inconsequential.
 
Thanks Engadget

IMHO if Engadget did not post pictures of the lost iPhone 4, Apple would have let more people test it. They probably changed something in the iPhone testing process because normally things like this are addressed ahead of time.

The bigger problem is the proximity sensor, not the antenna. The proximity sensor is the only thing they need to fix.

Fixing the Antenna Issue
If they give away bumpers, who's to say that the user will even use them. I would just offer everyone a $20.00 rebate that can be used toward the purchase of any iPhone 4 case. This is for those who won't change the way they hold the phone. My fingers don't cover the antenna unless I am holding it in an awkward manner.

Fixing the Proximity Sensor Issue
To fix the proximity sensor, that should be a software update OR just add a swipe to the screen when you are on a call so you can't ever activate the screen unintentionally. This could be a option in the Phone Settings.

That's it. Now everyone be happy and enjoy great products from Apple.
 
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