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That's just it though - it's becoming less an "occasional ****-up", and more a "regular part of being an Apple consumer".

Heard about how the white unibody enclosures for the MacBooks pretty much are guaranteed to crack at some point during their life time, no matter how lightly you rest your wrist on it?

Heard about the screen issues that the iMacs suffered through last fall with the yellow tinting?

The iPod battery issues a few years ago that affected a couple generations of iPods, where the battery was essentially guaranteed not to last beyond, what, 18 months?

The overheating issues that the G5 PowerMacs had, the G4 Cube cracking issues, PowerBook battery issues, PowerBook heat issues, MacBook Pro heat issues, the list goes on and on.

People around here, who obviously haven't been Apple fans for long enough, think people are being dramatic or serious when others say "Never buy a first-generation Apple product and expect no issues", but it's still very much a fact of life.

Yes, Apple does have fairly superb customer support, but it's pretty ridiculous that they suffer through so many quality assurance issues for newly-released products. But people let them off for it time and time again, because they want that shiny Apple logo on their product.

Except I know people who have had Macs for over a decade, running strong. :cool: :apple:
 
/joke

Maybe this was all actually just an experiment by Apple to see if they could eliminate the antenna entirely and just rely upon the body's capacitance ability to serve as the antenna itself :D

/joke
 
That's just it though - it's becoming less an "occasional ****-up", and more a "regular part of being an Apple consumer".

Heard about how the white unibody enclosures for the MacBooks pretty much are guaranteed to crack at some point during their life time, no matter how lightly you rest your wrist on it?
Yes I have one, it has cracks, it still works great
Heard about the screen issues that the iMacs suffered through last fall with the yellow tinting?
Yes, I had one it had yellow tinting, but hey it still worked better than my WinTel desktop

The iPod battery issues a few years ago that affected a couple generations of iPods, where the battery was essentially guaranteed not to last beyond, what, 18 months?
Yes I had one, my ipods didn't last 18 months, heavy user, bought a new one after 12.

The overheating issues that the G5 PowerMacs had, the G4 Cube cracking issues, PowerBook battery issues, PowerBook heat issues, MacBook Pro heat issues, the list goes on and on.
Had Macbook heat issue and fan issue. Apple replaced for me two years later, love Apple support

People around here, who obviously haven't been Apple fans for long enough, think people are being dramatic or serious when others say "Never buy a first-generation Apple product and expect no issues", but it's still very much a fact of life.

Yes, Apple does have fairly superb customer support, but it's pretty ridiculous that they suffer through so many quality assurance issues for newly-released products. But people let them off for it time and time again, because they want that shiny Apple logo on their product.

All NON-ISSUES, electronics are temporary things that are in your lives for a few years. Nothing more. If it serves its purpose for 95% of the population, then you are successful.

Can you imagine running a company where you will replace 100% of any product because of ANY defect throughout its life.

You won't stay in business for long. Great thing about Apple, is that if it really is a problem for a lot of people, they fix it.

Buy a case, problem solved.
 
Except I know people who have had Macs for over a decade, running strong. :cool: :apple:
Yeah, I'm nearly one of them. However, I've also known owners of Macs who've had to go in repeatedly to get them repaired, sometimes replaced, etc.

You act as if Apple has no (or very little) quality assurance issues. That's simply not the case.

I actually have a launch-day Xbox 360. Still works perfectly fine nearly 5 years later. Clearly that means there's been no actual "red ring of death" issues :rolleyes:
 
/joke

Maybe this was all actually just an experiment by Apple to see if they could eliminate the antenna entirely and just rely upon the body's capacitance ability to serve as the antenna itself :D

/joke

Tying into US Gov/Apple development of the iBrain implantable chip, you might not be that far off the mark.

:apple:
 
Consumer report iphone 4 testing flawed

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/966881/

No it's not. It would be flawed if they were trying to find the source of the issue. All they have confirmed is that there IS an issue. After all, none of us have anechoic chambers with antennas piped in. CR's tests isolated many of the key variables, and showed that in the real world real people are likely to have issues.
 
You mean gizmodo

and that logic doesn't make sense

if the phone was exposed then they could of walked around with it openly

you can only blame apple and yourself

"oh I want a new iPhone!"

one year = new phone

that's not easy - why else does that?

Besides HTC, samsung, SE, Nokia, RIM, etc lol



IMHO if Engadget did not post pictures of the lost iPhone 4, Apple would have let more people test it. They probably changed something in the iPhone testing process because normally things like this are addressed ahead of time.

The bigger problem is the proximity sensor, not the antenna. The proximity sensor is the only thing they need to fix.

Fixing the Antenna Issue
If they give away bumpers, who's to say that the user will even use them. I would just offer everyone a $20.00 rebate that can be used toward the purchase of any iPhone 4 case. This is for those who won't change the way they hold the phone. My fingers don't cover the antenna unless I am holding it in an awkward manner.

Fixing the Proximity Sensor Issue
To fix the proximity sensor, that should be a software update OR just add a swipe to the screen when you are on a call so you can't ever activate the screen unintentionally. This could be a option in the Phone Settings.

That's it. Now everyone be happy and enjoy great products from Apple.
 
To tell people that since they don't have a problem you must not either.

I agree on both sides. People not experiencing problems, their is an issue. Those experiencing it, it is ok for others to enjoy their iPhone 4. For those in between it is ok to get a case or change your grip and enjoy your iPhone 4.

To tell people they should just not hold their phone normally.

What is holding a phone "normally." I had to change the way I hold my iPhone 4 to avoid the issue. I am not holding it abnormally now. I wasn't holding it abnormally before. I am just as comfortable with my new grip as my old.

To tell customers they should just return their phone to make the problem appear to have gone away.

It isn't making the problem go away. Newsflash, you are not entitled to an iPhone. If you do not like it, take it back. If it doesn't work for you, take it back. Until I see lines for returns as long as the line to buy, it is hard for me to say this is a serious issue.

To tell customers with phones that don't work properly in several different ways that they don't have a right to complain about it and expect resolution from the manufacturer.

You have a right to vote with your wallet. Have you?

They ARE the fanboys, they are the ones living in a RDF. The problems are real, the issues are real, and people pretending they aren't for anyone other then themselves or that everyone 'just' has to follow their solution are just deluded fanboys.

I believe in a free market. There are at least as many people happy with their iPhone as not. I would assume there are more happy than not. So who is deluded?
 
Puh-lease.

Did you not notice that the CNN headline was "You're holding it wrong"?

It's actually not a misquote as much as a paraphrasing of Jobs' comment.
Nevertheless, you're quotation is dishonest:
The lawyers went nuclear over the "you're holding it wrong" message.


But - do you also suspect that Apple's lawyers closed down Jobs' email access?
No, I don't

Likely, they've advised him not to respond to any more iPhone inquiries.
 
Microsoft rules the "mediocre product, massive sales" niche. ;)

That's such a LagunaSol thing to say! :p

So I guess it's "mediocrity" that made Windows 7 command 8% of OS market share in only 10 months, where it's taken Apple's OS... uh, let's see-- how much time has passed since the (infamous) "1984" ad to not even crack double digits? ;)
 
Pls apple just fix this problem. Get the fix over with and then you can claim the best phone in the world until something else comes out. Plz
 
That's such a LagunaSol thing to say! :p

So I guess it's "mediocrity" that made Windows 7 command 8% of OS market share in only 10 months, where it's taken Apple's OS... uh, let's see-- how much time has passed since the (infamous) "1984" ad to not even crack double digits? ;)

Which sells more...BMW or Chevy? Which would you rather have?

Market share...it's all relative and means squat.
 
With all this "Toyota" talk, you're overlooking the obvious comparison.
 

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IMHO if Engadget did not post pictures of the lost iPhone 4, Apple would have let more people test it. They probably changed something in the iPhone testing process because normally things like this are addressed ahead of time.

I really don't understand how you justify this claim. Apple announces products "when they're ready to". I don't really believe a rumor site has any power over when Apple deems something ready.

More likely, those fake 3G cases that were on the phones were mandatory when the phones were in the wild, which prevented them from testing the phone as-intended.
 
Yes I have one, it has cracks, it still works great
That's great. The problem is, people here call out Dell and others all the time for issues related to the external appearance of those products all the time. People shouldn't decry one thing, but overlook another solely because it's "Apple".

Also, if someone pays $1000 for a product, they should expect, when no abuse has occurred to said product, for it to relatively remain in its original shape. That simply hasn't been the case. It doesn't matter "whether it still works great" or not. It's still a design issue (or, in this case, an issue with both the design and the materials being used).

Yes, I had one it had yellow tinting, but hey it still worked better than my WinTel desktop
I'm sorry, are you being serious? You're actually saying "it's ok" to the fact that the screens were taking on a yellowish tint that takes away from the viewing experience?

Oh, and "WinTel"? Really? I thought :apple: fanatics had stopped using even that years ago...

Yes I had one, my ipods didn't last 18 months, heavy user, bought a new one after 12.
So that makes it ok? Yeah, I'm sorry, no...

Had Macbook heat issue and fan issue. Apple replaced for me two years later, love Apple support
Was this with Apple care or without? The general experience I've seen is that, Apple will assist with cosmetic issues out of warranty, or replace parts that have known high failure rates, but often the users do end up footing the bill (as many of my friends can attest to for out-of-warranty products). Now, that having been said, that's in no way unusual within the industry, as most companies charge for out-of-warranty repair work.

All NON-ISSUES, electronics are temporary things that are in your lives for a few years. Nothing more. If it serves its purpose for 95% of the population, then you are successful.
Uh, no, these aren't non-issues. Maybe to you, since you're a huge :apple: fan, but in general, when you pay a high price for a product, you expect to get potentially a considerable amount of usage time out of it. No one is saying that a product should never fail, or should never need to be replaced. Technology is "temporary", but that doesn't mean a $2000 laptop should only last 2-3 years and then start failing incredibly. I still have an old eMachine from the late 90s that works fine, as well as a Compaq laptop from 2002 that only had to have a battery replaced, everything else still working as it originally did. It's not too much to ask that when you purchase a $2000 MacBook Pro, or a $2200+ iMac, that it work fine and last a long time.

Can you imagine running a company where you will replace 100% of any product because of ANY defect throughout its life.
Noone is advocating that. What I am advocating, is Apple improving their quality assurance procedures. As many have seen over the last few years, Apple seems often-unable to truly Q&A their products, rushing them out, only to have issues popping up.

As I said, Apple has been good in replacing and correcting a lot of these mistakes, but the fact of the matter is, a company that prides itself so much on its image, and the mantra of "it just works", shouldn't be allowing these issues to be occurring, to this extent, this regularly.

Oh, and if a company has a faulty design, or used faulty components, you'd better expect that I would demand they replace or repair any faulty components or incorrectly designed products that lowers the experience from what they promised when the product was purchased.

Say what you want, but look at how Microsoft handled the Xbox 360 fiasco: extended warranties of multiple years, even for systems whose warranties had already expired. From what I can recall, they lost a few billion dollars doing that, but in the end, they did it. You never see people praising that fact.

You won't stay in business for long. Great thing about Apple, is that if it really is a problem for a lot of people, they fix it.

Buy a case, problem solved.
Yes, because all of the people who've had signal issues/dropped calls and have gone in seeking help, clearly have been "helped" by Apple, in so far as being told to purchase yet another product to try and correct the issue with a phone that shouldn't have had the issue in the first place.

Apple has never advocated the use of cases. Now all of a sudden they are? Yeah... that alone should tell you something.

But, with that last comment, you showed that ultimately, you're a troll. So on the ignore list thee shall go.
 
Iphone 4 tested in public before release with covers ?

One interesting explanation was of someone who said that the testing of iphone 4 in pubblic before the upcoming release perhaps was with covers , so to not unveil the design...
I cannot thing actually anything else. Maybe is true.
 
I agree on both sides. People not experiencing problems, their is an issue. Those experiencing it, it is ok for others to enjoy their iPhone 4. For those in between it is ok to get a case or change your grip and enjoy your iPhone 4.
That isn't the two sides here - one is those with a problem and those telling those with a problem they aren't really having a problem.

What is holding a phone "normally."
Left hand, center of mass of the phone at the center of the grip. Been 'normal' holding for cellphones, gps, calculators, etc since the dawn of time. No way to do that without the gap being in the flesh at the base of the thumb.

It isn't making the problem go away. Newsflash, you are not entitled to an iPhone.
Newsflash, that's a strawman - we aren't talking about people who don't have one that are demanding changes, we are talking about people that do have one asking for fixes to severe problems.

If you do not like it, take it back. If it doesn't work for you, take it back. Until I see lines for returns as long as the line to buy, it is hard for me to say this is a serious issue.
Send me the $30 restock fee that AT&T insists on and I'll do just that. No I am not going to beg, bully, or waste one bit of my time convincing them they should wave the fee - either its a full refund return or its not.

You have a right to vote with your wallet. Have you?
Apple has the opportunity to do what's right, have they?

I believe in a free market. There are at least as many people happy with their iPhone as not. I would assume there are more happy than not. So who is deluded?
The ones that tell those that are having problems that they aren't obviously.
 
Apple has been going so far as to delete threads in its support forums pointing to the Consumer Reports article rather than allowing an open discussion of the topic or addressing the claims.
Give me a break. There is free and open discussion going on in several threads. Apple is just removing the new threads that are being made, and that only spam the forum. If people just searched before posting, they would have found lots of existing and open threads.
 
So I guess it's "mediocrity" that made Windows 7 command 8% of OS market share in only 10 months, where it's taken Apple's OS... uh, let's see-- how much time has passed since the (infamous) "1984" ad to not even crack double digits? ;)

You're using a seven-year 'pent-up demand' as a barometer of success for W7?

Even considering that, a stagnation rate of ~78% of OS market share (XP+Vista) is hardly worthy of bragging about.
 
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